General Blames Gays for Bosnian Genocide

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http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/18/General_Blames_Gays_for_Bosnian_Genocide/

Gen. Blames Gays for Bosnian Genocide

By Michelle Garcia

Retired Marine Gen. John Sheehan (pictured) blames the Netherlands' inclusion of gays in the military for thousands of Bosnian deaths in 1995.

Sheehan was the top NATO commander in the 1990s during the height of genocide in former Yugoslavia. During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on gays in the military on Thursday, he said that the situation in Yugoslavia was a clear example of how other nations allowing gays in the military led to undermining unit cohesion, according to the Washington Post.

The Dutch military was the first to allow gays to serve openly in the ranks when it lifted its ban in 1974. Two decades later, 400 Dutch peace keepers were stationed in Srebrenica when Serbian forces attacked the Bosnian Muslims, killing 8,000 men and boys by Serbian forces.

Sheehan said that allowing gays in the Dutch military left peace keepers "ill-equipped to go to war."

When Carl Levin, chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee asked him to verify whether Dutch leaders said the mission failed because it included gay soldiers, Sheehan said yes.

"They did?" Levin asked.

"They included that as part of the problem," Sheehan replied. He added that the former chief of staff of the Dutch army said allowing gay service members detracted from its war-fighting abilities.

Levin countered, "But I think that any effort to connect that failure on the part of the Dutch to the fact that they have homosexuals, or did allow homosexuals, I think is totally off-target."

Roger van de Wetering, a spokesman for the Netherlands Ministry of Defense, told Voice of America news that Sheehan's statements were "total nonsense" and that he "cannot believe that a man of that rank is stating such a thing."

Sheehan retired from the military in 1997.
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:rolleyes: *sigh*... The best part of this is the general is retired.
 
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Red Dawn

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It probably had more to do with them being Dutch than allowing Gays in the Military.
 
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There's only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch!
 
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Danube said:
Hey who wouldn't want to emulate the Dutch army anyway?
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I know a whole bunch of Canadian liberal who would agree with you.

As for me, I don't have an issue with gays in the military.

I do have an issue with an army setup to do peace keeping only.
 
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I have an issue with a country that was too pussified to take on Serb thugs and murderers. I also have an issue with the fact that we didn't carpet-bomb Belgrade for all the crap they pulled in the 1990s.
 
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So what's the over/under on # of days before Sheehan is photographed leaving a gay nightclub with an "unidentified male companion"? I'd put it at 100. Place your bets.
 
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You're forgetting all the glorious Dutch military victories before they admitted gay soldiers, like . . . umm . . . wait for it . . .

Don't the Dutch outright say their soldiers are ordered not to intervene in case of hostilities? I think they are more armed hostages than military forces, peace watchers rather than peace keepers.
 
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It's interesting how the Dutch active involvement in the Srebrenica massacre is missing from the article. There was no failure on part of the Dutch in Srebrenica. What happened was exactly what they wanted.
 
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werepossum said:
You're forgetting all the glorious Dutch military victories before they admitted gay soldiers, like . . . umm . . . wait for it . . .

Don't the Dutch outright say their soldiers are ordered not to intervene in case of hostilities? I think they are more armed hostages than military forces, peace watchers rather than peace keepers.
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They did intervene, just not in the way you think. The Dutch were actively involved with the aiding of the massacre in Srebrenica. The survivors of the massacre have been trying for years to get the Dutch to be responsible for their activities instead of it getting brushed under the rug.
 
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CanOWorms said:
The Dutch were actively involved with the aiding of the massacre in Srebrenica. The survivors of the massacre have been trying for years to get the Dutch to be responsible for their activities instead of it getting brushed under the rug.
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So what was this active involvement? How did the presence of homosexual soldiers facilitate it?

Is this an issue over an ally's RoE, or a retired general trying to sound off on the DADT policy debate going on now here in the States?

Sheehan's Dutch counterpart said he said no such thing, and thinks this ex-general is off his rocker. Given the suspicious timing of this, I'm suspicious.
 
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kage69 said:
So what was this active involvement? How did the presence of homosexual soldiers facilitate it?

Is this an issue over an ally's RoE, or a retired general trying to sound off on the DADT policy debate going on now here in the States?

Sheehan's Dutch counterpart said he said no such thing, and thinks this ex-general is off his rocker. Given the suspicious timing of this, I'm suspicious.
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I think that this is just part of the campaign of keeping the Dutch involvement in the massacre out of the public consciousness - instead he's trying to shift onto homosexuals. There has been a coverup on the Dutch involvement in Srebrenica for years. It's an embarrassing situation.

The Dutch government's commissioned investigative report (the report which "caused" the resignation of the government) even stated that the activities of the Dutch forces was tantamount to collaborating with ethnic cleansing. They provided no resistance AND supervised the organization of refugees to their massacre. The Dutchbat were photographed drunk in celebration and their commander was even photographed celebrating a toast with Mladic.
 
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ppatin said:
I have an issue with a country that was too pussified to take on Serb thugs and murderers. I also have an issue with the fact that we didn't carpet-bomb Belgrade for all the crap they pulled in the 1990s.
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I guess in attempt to keep another major war breaking out.... all countries involved went by the U.N. playbook.
 
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werepossum said:
You're forgetting all the glorious Dutch military victories before they admitted gay soldiers, like . . . umm . . . wait for it . . .

Don't the Dutch outright say their soldiers are ordered not to intervene in case of hostilities? I think they are more armed hostages than military forces, peace watchers rather than peace keepers.
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Actually the Dutch stood up against the Nazis pretty well in 1940, well enough that Hitler ordered terror bombings, destroying Rotterdam among others, so that the Dutch would quit and no longer slow their advance.

Apart from that, I can't think of anything else.

- wolf
 
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woolfe9999 said:
Actually the Dutch stood up against the Nazis pretty well in 1940, well enough that Hitler ordered terror bombings, destroying Rotterdam among others, so that the Dutch would quit and no longer slow their advance.

Apart from that, I can't think of anything else.

- wolf
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Don't confuse them with knowledge, then they never come back for us to taunt them yet again.

Truth is that all that were conquered were overpowered, no one expected what came and there were no plans to resist it.

Don't forget Poland. ;)
 
JohnOfSheffield

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Orignal Earl said:
Nope, I think there is some kind of unspoken rule to always come back the next day and repeat the same garbage. No matter what is said




Or even France :whiste:
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Aye, despite what everyone seems to think, France DID put up a fight AND had a fight going all through the war.

And aye, sadly people like their lies so much they stick to them rather than educating themselves, patriotism has become a religion of blind belief for some Americans, it's REALLY pathetic.

Still got your sig i see... hehe. :D

Cheers Earl!
 
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CanOWorms said:
They did intervene, just not in the way you think. The Dutch were actively involved with the aiding of the massacre in Srebrenica. The survivors of the massacre have been trying for years to get the Dutch to be responsible for their activities instead of it getting brushed under the rug.
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Surprise.

Europe and its allies are immune to international law. It is a master-race continent after all.
 
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