Gene Simmons is an a$$hole

[Injury]

It's amazing what some people will say to try and justify pirating music.

It's one thing to do it, it's a completely different story to try and act like you aren't ripping off an artist.

Twisting definitions, making claims that the music sucks anyway, making claims that nobody loses if you weren't gonna buy it anyway... we've heard them all. You're delusional if you can't understand that pirating music is breaking copyright law. Whether you morally object to it or not, at least have the balls to admit it.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Injury
It's amazing what some people will say to try and justify pirating music.

It's one thing to do it, it's a completely different story to try and act like you aren't ripping off an artist.

Twisting definitions, making claims that the music sucks anyway, making claims that nobody loses if you weren't gonna buy it anyway... we've heard them all. You're delusional if you can't understand that pirating music is breaking copyright law. Whether you morally object to it or not, at least have the balls to admit it.

It shouldn't be surprisng...the whole idea that stealing is ok is spreading more and more.

Another example

 

[zoiks]

Musician my ass. The only reason KISS were on top of their game was due to the pyrotechnic displays and their weird getups.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
For those of you too lazy to read the entire thing, this is what im talking about



It has been nine years since we've seen a new KISS album. Any plans to get back into the studio?
The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called "Monster" -- a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.

The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.

Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.

he has valid points, so whay is he a asshole?

Because they want to be able to steal music.

Duh....

For some reason the younger generation seems to think theft is ok.....disturbingly it seems as if that thought process is growing stronger with each passing year.

Because the older generation wasn't taping and distributing movies, TV programs, and music before? The only reason why people are making a fuss now is because of the ease of distribution.

I can honestly say I never copied albums to tape or duplicated tapes and gave them away. Same goes for VHS.

I did from time to time copy an album to a cassette, but only if the cassette version was not available and only then for my use in my car or "boom box"

Isn't the RIAA claiming copying music you've bought to be theft too now? I swear I remember a thread on ATOT discussing this.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
For those of you too lazy to read the entire thing, this is what im talking about



It has been nine years since we've seen a new KISS album. Any plans to get back into the studio?
The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called "Monster" -- a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.

The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.

Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.

he has valid points, so whay is he a asshole?

Because they want to be able to steal music.

Duh....

For some reason the younger generation seems to think theft is ok.....disturbingly it seems as if that thought process is growing stronger with each passing year.

Because the older generation wasn't taping and distributing movies, TV programs, and music before? The only reason why people are making a fuss now is because of the ease of distribution.

I can honestly say I never copied albums to tape or duplicated tapes and gave them away. Same goes for VHS.

I did from time to time copy an album to a cassette, but only if the cassette version was not available and only then for my use in my car or "boom box"

Isn't the RIAA claiming copying music you've bought to be theft too now? I swear I remember a thread on ATOT discussing this.

If I understand it correctly the RIAA claimes that you can't rip CD's because doing so removes DRM from the tracks.

Hard to argue that about actual vinyl or cassettes since DRM

a. Didn't exist back then
b. Those mediums aren't digital

 

[RadiclDreamer]

A February 4, 2002 interview on the NPR radio show Fresh Air with Terry Gross, Gene Simmons said to Gross regarding his claim to have bedded more than a thousand women: "If you want to welcome me with open arms, I'm afraid you're also going to have to welcome me with open legs" (paraphrasing The Who's hit song "You Better, You Bet"). To this Gross replied, "That's a really obnoxious thing to say." Simmons refused to grant permission to NPR to make the interview available online on the station's website. However, the interview appears in Gross's book All I Did Was Ask (ISBN 1401300103), and some unauthorized transcripts are also available.[1] A part of the interview was re-broadcast on Fresh Air on Aug 31, 2007. Listen [2].

 

[RadiclDreamer]

In 2004, during an interview in Melbourne, Australia, Simmons described Islam as a "vile culture" wherein women literally had fewer rights than dogs. He described Muslims as a threat, claiming that they wanted to leave the Middle East and supplant non-Muslims in other parts of the world by force. The Muslim community took offense, with Australian Muslim of the year Susan Carland asserting that Simmons' stereotyping of Muslims was inaccurate and that she never walked behind her husband as Simmons stated all Muslim women were required to do. He later said on his website that he was specifically talking about extremist muslims.[5]

 

[zinfamous]

newsflash.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
newsflash.

And that news flash is?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
By the way, kiss sucks anyway.

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
For those of you too lazy to read the entire thing, this is what im talking about



It has been nine years since we've seen a new KISS album. Any plans to get back into the studio?
The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called "Monster" -- a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.

The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.

Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.

Yea the truth hurts sometimes...

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Injury
It's amazing what some people will say to try and justify pirating music.

It's one thing to do it, it's a completely different story to try and act like you aren't ripping off an artist.

Twisting definitions, making claims that the music sucks anyway, making claims that nobody loses if you weren't gonna buy it anyway... we've heard them all. You're delusional if you can't understand that pirating music is breaking copyright law. Whether you morally object to it or not, at least have the balls to admit it.

It shouldn't be surprisng...the whole idea that stealing is ok is spreading more and more.

Another example

Yep. There's a lot of people over on Howardforums (not so much, it's a taboo subject now) who were discussing ways to steal the VZNavigator GPS service from verizon by only paying once for it and moving some files around on the phone.

Oh, and I know piracy is wrong. I'll admit it, I've downloaded a few songs here and there. I usually buy from iTunes, though most music is too shitty to even steal, much less buy.

 

[rise]

wow, first i saw of that article. i knew he was a tool but wow...

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
In 2004, during an interview in Melbourne, Australia, Simmons described Islam as a "vile culture" wherein women literally had fewer rights than dogs. He described Muslims as a threat, claiming that they wanted to leave the Middle East and supplant non-Muslims in other parts of the world by force. The Muslim community took offense, with Australian Muslim of the year Susan Carland asserting that Simmons' stereotyping of Muslims was inaccurate and that she never walked behind her husband as Simmons stated all Muslim women were required to do. He later said on his website that he was specifically talking about extremist muslims.[5]

He's Israeli so its pretty obvious why he hates muslims.

 

[rudder]

So what if music just becomes free and artists make their living off of touring and merchandise?
Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

Say what you will about the Grateful Dead... but they were consistenly one of the top earners in the music industry when they were touring. They even let people tape thier shows and had whole sections reserved for people to set up audio equipment. They had no problem with people trading music... the only thing you could not do was sell concert recordings. They rarely released albums. So to say that is an ignorant plan... is well just plain silly since it has long since proven that it can work.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: rudder
So what if music just becomes free and artists make their living off of touring and merchandise?
Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

Say what you will about the Grateful Dead... but they were consistenly one of the top earners in the music industry when they were touring. They even let people tape thier shows and had whole sections reserved for people to set up audio equipment. They had no problem with people trading music... the only thing you could not do was sell concert recordings. They rarely released albums. So to say that is an ignorant plan... is well just plain silly since it has long since proven that it can work.

Jimmy Buffett did the same thing.

 

[Modelworks]

Simmons has always been about the money, music/fans second.
I watched one of his shows on A&E one time where the family wanted to go camping, he didn't want to do it.

So he got an RV for them to go in. It was sponsored by an erectile disfunction drug company with the companies drug all over the sides. Paid vacation. His family didn't seem surprised.

I do hate though how common stealing of others work is becoming fine with society.
If you like the music buy it, don't like the price ? Listen to the radio.

Same thing goes for everything else thats copyrighted. The "right" part in there doesn't mean you have a right to the material.
People now act like they are entitled to everything produced, just because its not a physical product, but 1's and 0's.

 

[911paramedic]

It's like anything else thats illegal, if you don't nip it in the bud it's going to get worse. (gangs, illegal immigration, illegal downloads, etc.)

Onto an old fart subject.

Where were they when we used to record songs off the radio onto cassette tapes? Mixed tape anyone? That was the same as downloading it, except for the quality of course.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
It's like anything else thats illegal, if you don't nip it in the bud it's going to get worse. (gangs, illegal immigration, illegal downloads, etc.)

Onto an old fart subject.

Where were they when we used to record songs off the radio onto cassette tapes? Mixed tape anyone? That was the same as downloading it, except for the quality of course.

Obviously they can track some of the people doing it now. Im sure if there was a way to track them back then they would have. The RIAA isn't out there for the little guys trying to make it, they are there for the big fish who want more $.

That being said, I do buy my music.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz..._content_id=1003671447

Uh, he brought up a lot of good points. Why would he want others to steal his music?

The funny thing is, now that the OP's original whiny complaint was shot down he is looking for more reasons to slam Simmons :laugh:

Give it a rest, no one cares. There are plenty of "assholes" in the world who like to make money that they've earned - shocking, I know!

 

[Pabster]

People still listen and pay attention to Simmons? :laugh:

He's a has-been nothing. His best friend is some ugly face paint.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
KISS sucks, and Gene is an egomaniac. But he is the Anti-Asshole. He is totally upfront about EVERYTHING he does and is not hypocritical. I respect him for that.

:thumbsup:

 

[Reckoner]

Does the money really matter after that first billion? Honestly.

 

[moshquerade]

sounds to me like a "truth hurts" kinda thing.

 

[SpunkyJones]

Meh, so he's a rich tightwad. There are more stressful things in the world to get worked up about.