Gender Fluidity in Children?

[preslove]

little boys should not be wearing dresses. if they do they deserve the playground beat downs.

Fuck you.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Would any of the pc anything goes folks care to explain how being intolerant of gender-fluid kids in the classroom has anything to do with children who are gay or a minority? Last I heard, neither being gay or a minority was an illness. I'll ask the general pc crowd since AyashiKaibutsu is unable to post coherently, when did not being tolerant of any sort of behavior become bigotry? You say their illness doesn't hurt anyone, I say their actions and their emotional/sexual swings add confusion and social impediments to their peers and teachers.

 

[Dumac]

Would any of the pc anything goes folks care to explain how being intolerant of gender-fluid kids in the classroom has anything to do with children who are gay or a minority? Last I heard, neither being gay or a minority was an illness. I'll ask the general pc crowd since AyashiKaibutsu is unable to post coherently, when did not being tolerant of any sort of behavior become bigotry? You say their illness doesn't hurt anyone, I say their actions and their emotional/sexual swings add confusion and social impediments to their peers and teachers.

Bigotry: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

Seems to match to me.

Who says they are ill?

Also your last line is pure BS. Oh yes, us straight white males have life so hard because those damn queers cause us so much trouble. Woe is us.

 

[pelov]

You say their illness doesn't hurt anyone, I say their actions and their emotional/sexual swings add confusion and social impediments to their peers and teachers.

Sounds like someone has something to tell us...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155090/tom-cruise-wont-come-out-of-the-closet

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Bigotry: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

Seems to match to me.

Who says they are ill?

Also your last line is pure BS. Oh yes, us straight white males have life so hard because those damn queers cause us so much trouble. Woe is us.

Where have I shown hatred of them? I ask again, when did not being tolerant of ANY and all behavior become bigotry?

If you're going to try to contribute to the discussion, you should read the entire post where you would see the links to the medical journals showing it is an illness.

Where have I said anything against being gay? The children the OP wrote about have some sort of illness which makes them identify with one sex and then another. That is not being gay.

 

[MonKENy]

Why hasnt anyone brought up these important facts

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JNTikHKvt...c/s1600/Men-in-Kilts-kilts-645814_300_400.jpg

http://menonmen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/scottish-kilt-guys.jpg?w=495&h=335

for shits sake the Scotts have been wearing skirts for 1000 years. Look at all the grown men for other cultures that wear dress or dress like garments. Look at the thousands of grown men that wear dresses across america for all sorts of reason. You cant argue with stupid so why are you guys even trying. Just let the thread die like it deserves you are just fueling fires.

 

[preslove]

You say their illness doesn't hurt anyone, I say their actions and their emotional/sexual swings add confusion and social impediments to their peers and teachers.

Get the fuck over yourself.

 

[preslove]

The children the OP wrote about have some sort of illness which makes them identify with one sex and then another.

The treatment for the illness (Gender Dysphoria) is to transition to the other gender. Forcing them to wear boys' clothing can lead to significant psychological problems. Forcing transgenders to act their born sex does nothing but harm.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Get the fuck over yourself.

I could say the same but, I don't think you're automatically an idiot because you don't share my opinion.

Based on many of the posts who think this idea of children with gender-fluid illness is just fine, I see a correlation with being rude, name calling and, poor reasoning skills.

 

[waggy]

well he did 1 thing. he proved he didn't go to Harvard LOL

great thread. good proof that if you are going to lie at least have a shred of knowledge.

 

[preslove]

I could say the same but, I don't think you're automatically an idiot because you don't share my opinion.

Based on many of the posts who think this idea of children with gender-fluid illness is just fine, I see a correlation with being rude, name calling and, poor reasoning skills.

The correlation on your side is to know absolutely nothing about the subject and to threaten to physically assault transgendered people.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The treatment for the illness (Gender Dysphoria) is to transition to the other gender. Forcing them to wear boys' clothing can lead to significant psychological problems.

Are you a doctor now? How many of these children are treated in this manner? How many are able to pick one sexuality for the rest of their lives? Are you only talking about children who are physically male?

 

[Dumac]

Where have I shown hatred of them? I ask again, when did not being tolerant of ANY and all behavior become bigotry?

If you're going to try to contribute to the discussion, you should read the entire post where you would see the links to the medical journals showing it is an illness.

Where have I said anything against being gay? The children the OP wrote about have some sort of illness which makes them identify with one sex and then another. That is not being gay.

I did see the links, but I didn't buy them.

Where did I mention anything about being gay? Queer =/= gay.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The correlation on your side is to know absolutely nothing about the subject.

So, when you cannot argue your case, you attack your opponent?

to threaten to physically assault transgendered people.

I know you're just dying to show where I said this.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Where did I mention anything about being gay? Queer =/= gay.

Oh yes, us straight white males have life so hard because those damn queers cause us so much trouble. Woe is us.

I'm pretty sure that's what the above refers to.

 

[preslove]

Are you a doctor now? How many of these children are treated in this manner? How many are able to pick one sexuality for the rest of their lives? Are you only talking about children who are physically male?

No, but if you knew anything at all about the subject, you'd know that there is a formal diagnosis for it: http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=482#

That diagnosis is what allows doctors to prescribe hormones and perform sexual reassignment surgery.

Why don't you leave the psychology to psychologists?

 

[preslove]

So, when you cannot argue your case, you attack your opponent?

Considering that your side actually attacks gays and transgendered, I'd say verbal attacks are a step up.

 

[Dumac]

I'm pretty sure that's what the above refers to.

No. Do you know what queer means?

Queer is an umbrella term for sexual minorities that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Considering that your side actually attacks gays and transgendered, I'd say verbal attacks are a step up.

What is my side? When have I ever attacked a gay or, transgendered person? Why are you so willing to throw names and rude posts at someone who doesn't share your opinion? Shouldn't you be more accepting?

 

[Codewiz]

This thread is HILARIOUS. I have a 3.5 year old. Big kid. Always been a big kid. He could pummel five year olds based on his size. But here is the thing, he has always been extremely gentle and kind.

When he was 9 months old and off the growth charts, I thought, "Hell yeah, I got an athlete on my hands, whether it is football, basketball, tennis, or track".

Know what? His personality has totally put that on the back burner. He isn't coordinated even for a 3.5 year old. He is very kind to all kids. We have constantly had to work to get him to stand up for himself?

My point? It has nothing to do with our parenting unless you say having two parents extremely involved in raising him. He has been taught to treat people how he would want to be treated.

And yes, he actually got in a dress as a 3 year old. Did I give a shit? Ummm no, he didn't know what it meant, he just wanted to put something on. Am I going to buy him dresses? Umm no, but there are things worth battling a child about. I would rather battle him over being a decent human being that behaves in public than worrying whether his favorite color is pink.

I would put my son up against 99.9% of the population out there because my son behaves. He knows how to act in public. I could take him to a 5 star restaurant and not have any fear that he would disturb anyone else or me.

So you go right ahead and teach your children to be shitty human beings, I will teach my son to treat EVERYONE how he would want to be treated. You don't have to agree with people's choices but you should ask how you would want to be treated by people who don't share your worldview.

We have far too many shitheads in this world and I will do my best not to raise a shithead. I can't make any guarantees but I will do my damnest.

 

[LumbergTech]

This thread is HILARIOUS. I have a 3.5 year old. Big kid. Always been a big kid. He could pummel five year olds based on his size. But here is the thing, he has always been extremely gentle and kind.

When he was 9 months old and off the growth charts, I thought, "Hell yeah, I got an athlete on my hands, whether it is football, basketball, tennis, or track".

Know what? His personality has totally put that on the back burner. He isn't coordinated even for a 3.5 year old. He is very kind to all kids. We have constantly had to work to get him to stand up for himself?

My point? It has nothing to do with our parenting unless you say having two parents extremely involved in raising him. He has been taught to treat people how he would want to be treated.

And yes, he actually got in a dress as a 3 year old. Did I give a shit? Ummm no, he didn't know what it meant, he just wanted to put something on. Am I going to buy him dresses? Umm no, but there are things worth battling a child about. I would rather battle him over being a decent human being that behaves in public than worrying whether his favorite color is pink.

I would put my son up against 99.9% of the population out there because my son behaves. He knows how to act in public. I could take him to a 5 star restaurant and not have any fear that he would disturb anyone else or me.

So you go right ahead and teach your children to be shitty human beings, I will teach my son to treat EVERYONE how he would want to be treated. You don't have to agree with people's choices but you should ask how you would want to be treated by people who don't share your worldview.

We have far too many shitheads in this world and I will do my best not to raise a shithead. I can't make any guarantees but I will do my damnest.

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[MagnusTheBrewer]

No, but if you knew anything at all about the subject, you'd know that there is a formal diagnosis for it: http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=482#

That diagnosis is what allows doctors to prescribe hormones and perform sexual reassignment surgery.

Why don't you leave the psychology to psychologists?

I'm happy you could use the search tool. The link you posted regards 'Gender Dysphoria in Adolescents or Adults' and while it MAY be related, we were talking about gender-fluid children. Personally, I think talking about prescribing hormones and sexual reassignment with regards to children who haven't settled on their sexuality is a tad draconian.

 

[Jaskalas]

ATOT best in show award.

Category: Escape from P&N.

 

[Spungo]

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