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[Texashiker]

I didn't I love science. So I double majored into Chemical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering.

Some of the best paying jobs I have seen are people with two degrees.

Such as metallurgy and mechanical engineering or welding and mechanical engineering,, two fields that work together.

This goes back to the path of least resistance argument. How many people are willing to put forth the time and effort to get 2 degrees and certifications in 2 different fields.

 

[diesbudt]

It goes beyond that. A woman can leave a man and take his kids away from him even without claiming abuse.. and then demand the man give her money.

Imagine if a man tried pulling that.

A man can. It is up to the judge. However the Woman usually wins. Because of the "double standard".

And the money is the money that "Is ment to support the kids"

So you are against child support? Or you against women Demanding it and getting it when its an actual judges decision (If not handled civilly outside of court).

I know plenty of guys here in indiana and ohio who got custody and the women are paying child support.

Its just much easier for a women to win in court.

 

[diesbudt]

Some of the best paying jobs I have seen are people with two degrees.

Such as metallurgy and mechanical engineering or welding and mechanical engineering,, two fields that work together.

This goes back to the path of least resistance argument. How many people are willing to put forth the time and effort to get 2 degrees and certifications in 2 different fields.

Exactly, not many would go that route on their own free will. I did it because first year or so the classes lined up too well, and decided why the hell not, It would only increase my tuition by 10% to do both at once.

Wasn't easy... And I think I wasn't sane at the time.

My econ teacher back in highschool. Had 5 bachlor diplmoas... crazy guy

 

[nehalem256]

A man can. It is up to the judge. However the Woman usually wins. Because of the "double standard".

And the money is the money that "Is ment to support the kids"

So you are against child support? Or you against women Demanding it and getting it when its an actual judges decision (If not handled civilly outside of court).

I know plenty of guys here in indiana and ohio who got custody and the women are paying child support.

Its just much easier for a women to win in court.

I am against no fault divorce entirely.

I am against people leaving their spouse just because they are "unhappy". And I am certainly against a spouse taking the kids away from the other because they are "unhappy" and then demanding the other give them money.

If you are so unhappy in your marriage then leave and pay child support to the remaining spouse.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

So you are against child support? Or you against women Demanding it and getting it when its an actual judges decision (If not handled civilly outside of court).

I am against the courts dictating that a generation of men without money be forced to pay someone who knew they had no money when they decided to have children with that man, and then putting those men in jail if they do not (usually can not) pay that money.

This is called Debtor's Prison. That is one of the huge reasons our founding fathers came to & created America, was to escape this tyranny. Women should not have children with men who have no money if it is going to ever be a problem for them.

On the other hand, a father who is making money should be obliged to give a sum of their paycheck to the mother if she retains custody, that I do agree with. The problem is more and more men are making little to no money and cannot pay the sums the court asks for, so they throw them into county jails and privatized prison camps for however long they deem necessary.

And don't even get me started on Abandonment. The mother can keep the children away from the father and then go to the courts and charge the father with a felony for the actions she is creating. It's a fucking joke, and a travesty of justice....and a huge drain on our country.

If women want equal rights then they need to be held accountable, too. Instead they are made the gatekeepers of the family unit when many of them have serious drug, alchohol, and emotional issues that prevent them from ever being an ideal parent or gatekeeper, much less a decent person.

 

[Texashiker]

Exactly, not many would go that route on their own free will. I did it because first year or so the classes lined up too well, and decided why the hell not, It would only increase my tuition by 10% to do both at once.

One of the welding shops I worked at, we were repairing some kind of high heat drum. The drum was only about 16 inches in diameter and 3 feet long.

The inspector from the refinery told me he had two degrees, which were chemical engineering and metallurgy. He helped design the unit the drum came out of.

15 years in the welding field and I had never seen that metal before. It was some kind of alloy that could take high heat, like 1,200 degrees. It was nothing like stainless, monel or hastelloy.

But that is why those people make the big money, because they figure the problems out. The chemical had to be heated to a certain temp, and it was corrosive.

 

[diesbudt]

I am against the courts dictating that a generation of men without money be forced to pay someone who knew they had no money when they decided to have children with that man, and then putting those men in jail if they do not (usually can not) pay that money.

This is called Debtor's Prison. That is one of the huge reasons our founding fathers came to & created America, was to escape this tyranny. Women should not have children with men who have no money if it is going to ever be a problem for them.

On the other hand, a father who is making money should be obliged to give a sum of their paycheck to the mother if she retains custody, that I do agree with. The problem is more and more men are making little to no money and cannot pay the sums the court asks for, so they throw them into county jails and privatized prison camps for however long they deem necessary.

And don't even get me started on Abandonment. The mother can keep the children away from the father and then go to the courts and charge the father with a felony for the actions she is creating. It's a fucking joke, and a travesty of justice....and a huge drain on our country.

If women want equal rights then they need to be held accountable, too. Instead they are made the gatekeepers of the family unit when many of them have serious drug, alchohol, and emotional issues that prevent them from ever being an ideal parent or gatekeeper, much less a decent person.

Yes. I totally agree with this analysis.

My step-dad, is a great guy. However his ex (3 kids) took him for over 50% of his check (BEFORE taxes) and he was only making close to $27000/yr when he married my mom. (She left him, and wanted the kids for the child support)

And when the last kid turned 18? SHE SUED his ass for not paying her money anymore for child support. (The case was thrown out as she is an evil corrupted lunatic of a bitch)

3 months later I heard she was stealing thousands of dollars from a nursing home and is now in prison.

All 3 kids are now in prision, dead, or dissappeared. Except one. He entered MMA fighting.

 

[nehalem256]

I am against the courts dictating that a generation of men without money be forced to pay someone who knew they had no money when they decided to have children with that man, and then putting those men in jail if they do not (usually can not) pay that money.

This is called Debtor's Prison. That is one of the huge reasons our founding fathers came to & created America, was to escape this tyranny. Women should not have children with men who have no money if it is going to ever be a problem for them.

On the other hand, a father who is making money should be obliged to give a sum of their paycheck to the mother if she retains custody, that I do agree with. The problem is more and more men are making little to no money and cannot pay the sums the court asks for, so they throw them into county jails and privatized prison camps for however long they deem necessary.

And don't even get me started on Abandonment. The mother can keep the children away from the father and then go to the courts and charge the father with a felony for the actions she is creating. It's a fucking joke, and a travesty of justice....and a huge drain on our country.

If women want equal rights then they need to be held accountable, too. Instead they are made the gatekeepers of the family unit when many of them have serious drug, alchohol, and emotional issues that prevent them from ever being an ideal parent or gatekeeper, much less a decent person.

Sounds exactly like what I say. Do you hate women too? 😀

 

[nehalem256]

Yes. I totally agree with this analysis.

My step-dad, is a great guy. However his ex (3 kids) took him for over 50% of his check (BEFORE taxes) and he was only making close to $27000/yr when he married my mom. (She left him, and wanted the kids for the child support)

And when the last kid turned 18? SHE SUED his ass for not paying her money anymore for child support. (The case was thrown out as she is an evil corrupted lunatic of a bitch)

3 months later I heard she was stealing thousands of dollars from a nursing home and is now in prison.

All 3 kids are now in prision, dead, or dissappeared. Except one. He entered MMA fighting.

My half-brothers' mom abandoned my brothers at my dad's without saying she was not coming back (it was supposed to be for 2 weeks) and continued collecting child support for over 2 months.

Then when my dad finally got legal custody she did not have to pay a cent in child support.

 

[diesbudt]

One of the welding shops I worked at, we were repairing some kind of high heat drum. The drum was only about 16 inches in diameter and 3 feet long.

The inspector from the refinery told me he had two degrees, which were chemical engineering and metallurgy. He helped design the unit the drum came out of.

15 years in the welding field and I had never seen that metal before. It was some kind of alloy that could take high heat, like 1,200 degrees. It was nothing like stainless, monel or hastelloy.

But that is why those people make the big money, because they figure the problems out. The chemical had to be heated to a certain temp, and it was corrosive.

Yea. However remember. Degress only get you into the door. Once you have about 5-6 years of experience in your field on you, that shows/pushes one a lot more in advanamcent and/or better jobs that degrees.

Yea, that is what I do most the time. Troubleshoot and/or innovate on current recipies of things I work on to make them better or cheaper for our consumers. (aka reducing cost or making the product better)

 

[diesbudt]

My half-brothers' mom abandoned my brothers at my dad's without saying she was not coming back (it was supposed to be for 2 weeks) and continued collecting child support for over 2 months.

Then when my dad finally got legal custody she did not have to pay a cent in child support.

Yea. Double standard.

However a much better lawyer probably could have taken her down a few pegs. But then the question is. With these lawyers either having a high charge, or only do well when they can win a % of a huge lawsuit, is it really worth going through a lawyer to get what is fair?

 

[Cobalt]

Phew thankfully I'm a "retail sales consultant" so I get paid a lot more by default! Lol

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[Texashiker]

Yea, that is what I do most the time. Troubleshoot and/or innovate on current recipies of things I work on to make them better or cheaper for our consumers. (aka reducing cost or making the product better)

While I was working in the heat exchanger shops we saw a lot of experiments.

From time to time we would see an exchanger with a couple rows of tubes made from a certain type of material, couple rows of something else, couple rows of something.

The refinery would put the exchanger into service for say 6 - 12 months, pull it out, then inspect the tubes to see how the different materials reacted to the chemical.

There was one engineer from a refinery I remember quit well. He was pissed off that the exchanger started leaking 6 months after being put into service. This was a brand new stainless steel exchanger. I dont know how much it cost, maybe $30k, or $40k and it only lasted 6 months. This was back in the late 1980s. I think it was in a phosgene unit? They did not know if moisture was getting in with the phosgene, and that caused the exchanger to start leaking.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Phew thankfully I'm a "retail sales consultant" so I get paid a lot more by default! Lol

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Dude, you wouldn't believe the bullshit that happened to me working in sales.

Consider yourself very lucky.

Sounds exactly like what I say. Do you hate women too? 😀

I said I don't agree with most of what you said about women, but this one point I do agree with. 😛

The problem with one of your main arguments, which I used to agree with, that flooding the market with a surge of new workers caused the wages to deflate is not really true because those new workers become consumers, pay taxes, etc. which is the reason our economical and political leaders caved to it in the first place. I never took into account that those new employees would, in turn, increase the size and demand in the market and it would find the same kind of balance we had when just men worked.

The reason wages deflate is poor leadership and management through greedy & selfish business practices.

 

[nehalem256]

The problem with one of your main arguments, which I used to agree with, that flooding the market with a surge of new workers caused the wages to deflate is not really true because those new workers become consumers, pay taxes, etc. which is the reason our economical and political leaders caved to it in the first place. I never took into account that those new employees would, in turn, increase the size and demand in the market and it would find the same kind of balance we had when just men worked.

The reason wages deflate is poor leadership and management through greedy & selfish business practices.

Except that women still ate, wore clothes, had medical care, lived in homes, use appliances, etc before they worked. They were already consumers.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Except that women still ate, wore clothes, had medical care, lived in homes, use appliances, etc before they worked. They were already consumers.

Right, but now they are more powerful and independent consumers.

 

[Genx87]

So an age group 19-30 primarily hold lower paying retail jobs? This is news? What next, teenagers primarily work at fast food joints?

 

[Texashiker]

So an age group 19-30 primarily hold lower paying retail jobs? This is news? What next, teenagers primarily work at fast food joints?

There was once a time when people had a career at 20, 21, 22,, years old.

Kids could get out of high school, go to work in the shipyards or factories and earn a decent living.

I went to work in the welding field at 18 years old. By the time I was 21 I had a well established career in front of me.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

There was once a time when people had a career at 20, 21, 22,, years old.

Kids could get out of high school, go to work in the shipyards or factories and earn a decent living.

And often times kept that job for decades, building up a solid retirement while having health insurance the entire time. God, remember when companies offered health insurance almost across the board? That is why Obamneycare happened, the businesses just passed the buck to the government to, once again, "cut costs".

 

[Genx87]

There was once a time when people had a career at 20, 21, 22,, years old.

Kids could get out of high school, go to work in the shipyards or factories and earn a decent living.

I went to work in the welding field at 18 years old. By the time I was 21 I had a well established career in front of me.

I am sure they werent making the money people in the 30-60 age group at that time either. So instead of working in a shipyard or factory they are working in a retail shop or low end sales? And that is a bad thing?

Also the % of young adults that are going to college is much higher than at that time. The first 3-4 years of this survey a lot of young adults have a minimal job while they go to school.

The results of the survey shouldnt be surprising at all. They are taking an age group that spends 1/3rd of the time span in school. The rest of the decade establishing themselves. And they are at the bottom of the totem pole.

 

[wirednuts]

The reason wages deflate is poor leadership and management through greedy & selfish business practices.

DING DING DING DING! We have a winner!

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I am sure they werent making the money people in the 30-60 age group at that time either. So instead of working in a shipyard or factory they are working in a retail shop or low end sales? And that is a bad thing?

Not necessarily on the surface, but when you take into account that these retail/sales jobs do not allow even the best to afford to live on their own it is a huge problem. There is nothing worse than a 20-something living with their parents and that is quickly becoming the norm. Recent stats show that 85% of college grads move back home with their parents in this country. That just isn't right.

 

[Genx87]

Not necessarily on the surface, but when you take into account that these retail/sales jobs do not allow even the best to afford to live on their own it is a huge problem. There is nothing worse than a 20-something living with their parents and that is quickly becoming the norm. Recent stats show that 85% of college grads move back home with their parents in this country. That just isn't right.

But that doesnt have that much to to do with thier position IMO. 30-40 years ago the same age group was making shit wages comparatively and were able to live on their own. The cost of living thanks to inflationary policy has driven young adults home to live with mom and dad. It could also be explained by this generations dependence on mom and dad. They are coddled from birth and dont want to leave home. It is cheaper and more fun to have free money to party until they are 30. Mom and dad enable it, may as well take advantage.

 

[Texashiker]

I am sure they werent making the money people in the 30-60 age group at that time either. So instead of working in a shipyard or factory they are working in a retail shop or low end sales? And that is a bad thing?

This goes back to the path of least resistance.

When I was 22 years old (1990) I was bringing home after taxes and insurance, anywhere from $700 - $1,000 every week.

But then again I was working 60 - 80 hours a week.

Would someone rather work 30 hours a week in retail and have spare time to party with friends, or work 60 - 80 hours and make money?

There are still good paying jobs out there. But I do not know if generation Y wants to work those kinds of jobs.

There is a young man I know, I think he is around 24 or 25 years old. Married, 2 kids, and he is a job hopper. He stays at a job for a couple of months, walks out, takes time off, then starts looking for another job.

I hope his is not the typical example of generation Y

Not necessarily on the surface, but when you take into account that these retail/sales jobs do not allow even the best to afford to live on their own it is a huge problem.

Nor does retail each a skill or trade.

You can put a physical value on what a person builds with those skills.

How do you put a value on a sales clerk?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

But that doesnt have that much to to do with thier position IMO. 30-40 years ago the same age group was making shit wages comparatively and were able to live on their own. The cost of living thanks to inflationary policy has driven young adults home to live with mom and dad. It could also be explained by this generations dependence on mom and dad. They are coddled from birth and dont want to leave home. It is cheaper and more fun to have free money to party until they are 30. Mom and dad enable it, may as well take advantage.

Mom and Dad have to enable it because it is not possible for a young person to pay rent, buy food, repair their car, pay their insurance, pay their bills, etc. on $7-10 an hour in this country.

I have 3 kids and this scares the shit out of me. Don't get me wrong I love them to death, but I don't want that life for them. I want them to be able to meet someone, bring them back to their place and have fun being young together....not sneak into my house after midnight and try to have fun. I just feel bad for the youth of this country.