GeforceTony

[Sunner]

Seems to me like Rollo was a dick and got banned for it.

 

[Stumps]

yep!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
You're becoming more and more agitated with every post, that's how I can tell.

Whether GFT is innocent or guilty of what he's been accused of is not my concern, or yours for that matter. Just because others joined the witchhunt doesn't absolve Rollo of his INITIAL and CONTINUING behavior. Obviously Rollo can't "act as mean as he wants to", at least not without being complained about that is.

No I have not. Just repeating the accusation ad nausem doesn't make it true. As for the rest, you're allowed your opinion. But the mod who gave Rollo the vacation apparently disagrees.

If by "calling him out" you mean that I refuse to kiss his ring then, again, you're right.

No I am not. I'm also not indulging in personal references, as you are. What I've done here is simply offer my opinion of the topic, and your take on it. Nothing more.

The irony of your last statement is amazing.

Please show me where i became more agitated? I have simply posted, again i haven't yelled (in a sense) or flamed.

Rollo did not have an initial behavior. When he came here everything was fine. THen he began to support Nvidia not nearly as much as a fan boy, as a result people began to flame him and he was forced to defend himself again. Then when he voiced his opinion about false RMAing everyone jumped on his harshness. Again it forced him to defend himself. Maybe if people would respect others opinions none of this would happen.

Again Rollo even admitted he was harsh and he would tone it down. Contiunuing behavior is an oxymoron as Rollo is on vacation. Yuo really seem to be putting words in his mouth. How do you know he wants to act mean?? On all accounts it seems that you guys are provoking it.

If by "calling him out" you mean that I refuse to kiss his ring then, again, you're right.

And no one asked you to. Simply give him the respect he deserves and im sure he would return the favor as would all human beings.

No I am not. I'm also not indulging in personal references, as you are. What I've done here is simply offer my opinion of the topic, and your take on it. Nothing more.

What are you talking about??

The irony of your last statement is amazing.

Basing this off of my statement earlier you know that your statement is false. I just proved to you why you were too quick to judge and are now rushing to conclusion.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Seems to me like Rollo was a dick and got banned for it.

Seems to me that you dont have an accurate opinion so dont just post here without knowing what we were talking about.

FWIW: He didn't even get banned.

-Kevin

 

[Stumps]

hey 2 week vaction could equal 6 years! close to a Permaban!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

meh rollo is a decent guy, knows his stuff, and makes valid points, i dont much care how far he or others cross the line, this is only the internet it doesnt mean anything

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Sunner
Seems to me like Rollo was a dick and got banned for it.

Seems to me that you dont have an accurate opinion so dont just post here without knowing what we were talking about.

FWIW: He didn't even get banned.

-Kevin

Vacation, temp ban, whatever :roll:

And I didn't know opinions could be inaccurate, it's called "opinion" as opposed to "fact" for a reason.

And I read the entire thread(yes, I'm bored), and yes I think Rollo was a dick, as he has been many times before.

I also think GFT's little tirade at the was justified, bad language, yes, but it must get pretty frustrating to have the High Morale squad derailing a thread that could have resulted in something useful, so it's understandable IMO, especially since it seems he was entirely correct about his MSI mobo overclocking his GFX card.

 

[HardWarrior]

There is nothing that would be more fruitless in this venue than trying to prove my opinion to you.

Wrong again.

And he was given said vacation for a reason. I won't bother pointing out the illogical, hyperbolic nature of the rest of this.

That's precisely what you're asking. You don't get to tell me who to respect. Since I've said this a few times I'm starting to wonder whether you're actually reading my responses.

"No I am not. I'm also not indulging in personal references, as you are. What I've done here is simply offer my opinion of the topic, and your take on it. Nothing more."

What about this needs to be explained further?

Huh? You're projecting, and it isn't working anymore than your defense of Rollo's behavior.

"You have not helped anyone with anything with your seemingly endless, pointless, useless flaming. I am beyond tired of it, and I am even more tired of receiving complaints from others you offend.

Please spend two weeks elsewhere to consider how you can improve your forums courtesy.

AnandTech Moderator"

This is dead on. You'll have to accept this as well.

 

[gsellis]

Mod, my opinion is that GFT needs a strongly worded PM, and your choice on a vacation. I think the tirade was a little over the top on wording, but I do see why it happened. His reaction sucked, but the fact that he was at the sharp end of the stick was a factor.

As for the topic drift, Rollo did need a vacation. He has jumped to conclusions that might not be supported by the facts (or could be). Counterpoint, in his defense, he has apologized for transgressions in the past on other topics. PM is the proper way to handle issues IF you can keep a civil tongue in the PM. Rollo can be a very nice guy. He is just passionate.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hardwarrior listen to me. Im not asking you to worship the guy... simply respect his opinion and his posting. As I said before if people weren't so critical about all of his posts then he wouldn't be so harsh. Yes it is wrong of him to retaliate, however just give the man some respect and dont be so critical of him.

And he was given said vacation for a reason. I won't bother pointing out the illogical, hyperbolic nature of the rest of this

And that is your opinion. However you cannot ignore the fact that a lot of people think that it was wrong. You also cannot deny the fact that there is MANY MUCH worse posts on these forums.

How am i projecting or getting worked up? I haven't even used caps except to emphasize a certain word. How in the world do you "project" when typing a reply??

In your opinion that is dead on. Once again i accept the punishment. Do you see me going at it tooth and nail trying to get him off of vacation? No. Do i think it was wrong? Yes. I respect the mods a great deal and feel they do a very nice job, however, that does not make them god.

And I didn't know opinions could be inaccurate, it's called "opinion" as opposed to "fact" for a reason.

Well not the best choice of words on my part . However what i was getting at is, can you actually comment on this. SImply reading this thread is not enough. (In fact the topic isn't even about Rollo, its about GFT's statement). All you said was "He is a dick". Do you have ANY evidence to support this?

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Having answered that for the time being. Can we PLEASE discuss the topic that was originally intended?

I make a motion for a vacation for GFT. No amount of "accusation/name calling" warrants that response. In fact nothing should warrant a response like that.

-Kevin

 

[Stumps]

MODS=GOD
try to deal with it!

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: gsellisCounterpoint, in his defense, he has apologized for transgressions in the past on other topics. PM is the proper way to handle issues IF you can keep a civil tongue in the PM. Rollo can be a very nice guy. He is just passionate.

After spending as much time as Rollo has berating, abusing and belittling others for trite reasons, an apology was called for. It shouldn't, however, absolve him completely. Only time will prove whether it was sincere. It's interesting that you'd mention moderation by PM. Rollo bragged to me just before his tempban that he had never been warned about his behavior, as if that made what he had done prior to that OKAY. Yes, he can be a nice guy, but only if you toe his line without deviation. Saying that he's "passionate" is simply a way of excusing bad behavior. I'm passionate about a few things, as I'd imagine you are as well, but that fact doesn't give my license to behave like an ass.

A question for you gsellis: Has Rollo ever attacked you? Whether this has happened seems to be the demarcation point in this discussion. Being that my last exchange with with Rollo was cordial, and we both agreed that this form of discourse was preferable, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it isn't going to be easy to forget some of the things he's said in the past. That's human nature, isn't it?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hardwarrior you are acting like Rollo is some noob troll, criminal kind of guy. He has simply jumped to conclusion too many times. He hasn't really posted any "hardcore" bad material (similiar to GFT's post). Give it a rest and stop continually portraying the guy as some hardened criminal.

NOW, can we please discuss GFT's comment. Once again i motion for a vacation.

-Kevin

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hardwarrior listen to me. Im not asking you to worship the guy... simply respect his opinion and his posting. As I said before if people weren't so critical about all of his posts then he wouldn't be so harsh. Yes it is wrong of him to retaliate, however just give the man some respect and dont be so critical of him.

And that is your opinion. However you cannot ignore the fact that a lot of people think that it was wrong. You also cannot deny the fact that there is MANY MUCH worse posts on these forums.

How am i projecting or getting worked up? I haven't even used caps except to emphasize a certain word. How in the world do you "project" when typing a reply??

In your opinion that is dead on. Once again i accept the punishment. Do you see me going at it tooth and nail trying to get him off of vacation? No. Do i think it was wrong? Yes. I respect the mods a great deal and feel they do a very nice job, however, that does not make them god.

Again, I choose what, and who, I respect. Please desist in telling me what I should do. Your view of how >I< should negotiate the world are both uncalled for and not part of this discussion.

As you can't ignore that many posters are sick to death of Rollo's antics. Also, I'm not here to discuss the behavior of others OR attempt to view Rollo's posts as part of the whole.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. If you don't see how the term "projecting" is applicable to this look it up.

Of course it's my opinion. Was that ever in doubt? No, I see you defending and excusing bad behavior, that's what I see. Did I ever indicate in any way that I view the mods as godlike? Please. They were correct in this case. The only problem is that someone should have noticed the volatile, arrogant and disruptive aura that surrounds Rollo and asked him to tone it down before a tempban was needed.

 

[TStep]

Regardless of who acted appropriately, who did not, or who got banned, the topic at hand was of interest to me. Instead of perhaps gaining a little insight as to if there had been a core revision to be cognizant of when purchasing/troubleshooting/etc the video card in question, the thread took a miserable turn for the worse.

Net result from my perspective, no knowledge was gained with thousands of wasted words. A little self moderation goes a long way.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hardwarrior you are acting like Rollo is some noob troll, criminal kind of guy. He has simply jumped to conclusion too many times. He hasn't really posted any "hardcore" bad material (similiar to GFT's post). Give it a rest and stop continually portraying the guy as some hardened criminal.

NOW, can we please discuss GFT's comment. Once again i motion for a vacation.

-Kevin

You don't seem to be able to make a point without attacking someone in the process, indulging in super-heated rhetoric or ascribing attitudes that have in no way been indicated. Interesting, from a clinical point of view that is.

Motion? I wasn't aware that tempbans were initiated by commitee. Mod?

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
A question for you gsellis: Has Rollo ever attacked you? Whether this has happened seems to be the demarcation point in this discussion. Being that my last exchange with with Rollo was cordial, and we both agreed that this form of discourse was preferable, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it isn't going to be easy to forget some of the things he's said in the past. That's human nature, isn't it?

Yes, he has. I called him on it in a PM and he apologized. He has, at times and especially in the PVP threads, made me wish that this forum supported ignore lists. But there are other times when his feedback is useful.

I will point out that this is a web forum. What is said here will not matter squat 10 years from now. That is my yardstick. If it does not prevent me from putting food on the table, it really is not that important. Webstonings are not worth the effort.

BTW, HW and GF, I think highly of you both and you probably would get along really well in person. You guys argue like brothers. Are you? :evil:

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
A question for you gsellis: Has Rollo ever attacked you? Whether this has happened seems to be the demarcation point in this discussion. Being that my last exchange with with Rollo was cordial, and we both agreed that this form of discourse was preferable, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it isn't going to be easy to forget some of the things he's said in the past. That's human nature, isn't it?

Yes, he has. I called him on it in a PM and he apologized. He has, at times and especially in the PVP threads, made me wish that this forum supported ignore lists. But there are other times when his feedback is useful.

I will point out that this is a web forum. What is said here will not matter squat 10 years from now. That is my yardstick. If it does not prevent me from putting food on the table, it really is not that important. Webstonings are not worth the effort.

BTW, HW and GF, I think highly of you both and you probably would get along really well in person. You guys argue like brothers. Are you? :evil:

At least you understand what it's like to set upon by him and that means something. I'll have to accept your word for him being useful. I tend to key on performance as it exists right in front of me, not benchmarks as an indication of how and when I should upgrade. Regardless, being useful simply on occasion doesn't compensate for his horribly arrogant and pestering attitude. He got away with it for a good while, it finally caught up with him. I sincerely hope that Rollo returns sans the punishing nature.

And it's your protected right to feel that way gsellis, hence I have no argument to offer. But I think it's important to understand that not everyone is so tolerant and\or forgiving, regardless of the form of communication used.

Brothers? :laugh: NO! I too think we would get along well. I admire a cool, controlled intellect, capable of a measured response.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Interstingly, yet another thread about the mobo's auto-OC of the video card, with an additional link

From a purely technical perspective, it seems that most people that denied this was possible, were basing that on their assumption that the overclock was related to the system bus speeds, and that OC'ing the bus wouldn't OC the cards core/mem speeds. That is of course correct, but it seems that some mobos now contain code to actually go in and adjust certain popular video card's core speeds during boot (before they can be clock-locked by the drivers loaded by the OS), and if so, that code would most likely apply to the card's chipsets, regardless of whether it was a PCIe or AGP interface.

So it looks like one more piece of "circumstantial evidence" behind Rollo's accusatory remarks is being disproved. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Rollo, nor do I think he is a "bad guy", but in this particular case, I do think his initial accusations were largely without merit, as I pointed out in the thread too.

Indirectly related to that, it's disturbing that one system component might, unknowingly to the user, invalidate the warranty of another system component used with it. Auto-OC'ing is evil.

I had been following the original GFT thread and felt there might have been technical merit in his observation of the differences in the GPU core. Unfortunatley the whole point was lost in the maelstrom of "bogus RMA" drama.

I'm thankful for Virtual Larry for bring back to the fore the technical/computing/hardware issues and I share his concern regarding one components voiding of the warranty of another. New and interesting stuff to me.

As for Rollo I have no comments about the ban etc, but am uncomfortable with members accessing our personal information in our profile for purposes beyond use on this forum (buying/selling/trading etc). To transmit that data to outside third parties, without consent, is poor form and bad policy.

Fern

 

[Fenuxx]

OK, MY official response.

I appologize for the statement I made on the "New, secret spin of NV40?" thread, but as it is locked now (I'm kinda glad too), I can't appologize on that thread.

However, I do think that this whole "GeForceTony" thread was totally uncalled for. Gamingphreak, couldn't you have PMed me and asked me to issue an appology, which I would have probably done, as I now feel guilty that I let my rage get the best of me.

But come on, look at it from my point of view. I started a thread trying to get a simple response from anyone that had seen\heard anything about a new rev of NV40, but what I got was essentially a witch trial. What the hell is that!? All I wanted was some information, and I had members flaming me left and right. I tried to keep a cool head throughout the whole sherrade, but when I found out that my mobo was doing the OCing and potentially the killer of all of those cards, and also knowing that NO one said anything about that, even though I'm sure at least a couple of people knew about it, I was EXTREMELY P.O.ed That is the reason that I made the comment I did, and the reason alone. As I said, if it makes you feel better Gamingphreek, I appologize, and I could care less if I get banned (well, I would sorta care) because, as others said, all this is is a simple internet forum, it means nothing, and the fact that that entire thread I made, accusing me of being a thief, by not just Rollo, makes me feel the way I do.

And don't go getting on my bud, BobDaMenkey, he has done nothing wrong, and he is even more in the clear than I am (with me and the whole NV5 Silencer thing...).

Oh, and before everyone starts bringing up the NV5, I took it upon myself to call XFX, give them my name and my situation, and I was told that installing the NV5 IS covered under warranty. They told me that they only cover 2 aftermarket coolers, the Arctic Cooling NV-Series cooler, and Zalman's new AlCu700 (or whatever that thing is, all I know is that it is made by Zalman ), while others are not.

OK, that's my official and public response


--GeForceTony

 

[Megatomic]

geforcetony, don't worry about the witchhunt too much. They (the mob) had to torture someone as all the PVP threads had been locked and they had no one to defend NV from. You just became the convenient target of rage and ridicule. Even Elite members who contribute much to the forums get the same treatment from that crowd.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
geforcetony, don't worry about the witchhunt too much. They (the mob) had to torture someone as all the PVP threads had been locked and they had no one to defend NV from. You just became the convenient target of rage and ridicule. Even Elite members who contribute much to the forums get the same treatment from that crowd.

This says it all. I hope this issue is now concluded.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Rollo did not have an initial behavior. When he came here everything was fine.

From what I understand, including statements from Rollo himself (IIRC), he was banned from some other forums due to his "moralistic crusading". Whether that was truely because the other forums willingly chose to condone fraudulent RMAs as the status quo, or due to Rollo simply being annoying and a PITA, I really cannot say.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
THen he began to support Nvidia not nearly as much as a fan boy, as a result people began to flame him and he was forced to defend himself again. Then when he voiced his opinion about false RMAing everyone jumped on his harshness. Again it forced him to defend himself. Maybe if people would respect others opinions none of this would happen.

I agree that sometimes people "attacking" him (as I know that both I, and HardWarrior have done in the past, after Rollo made some rather strongly-biased statements) perhaps makes things worse, it doesn't change the fact that, at least IMHO, his behavior is that of an NV-fanboy extreme. That, in itself, isn't a bad thing, I'm rather anti-Microsoft myself. But coming down hard on other posters so strongly, makes the forums less friendly and open to discussion. I think that was more the real issue, at least in this particular case, rather than any personal biases that Rollo might hold. (I could be wrong, don't want to speak for the mods here.)

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Again Rollo even admitted he was harsh and he would tone it down. Contiunuing behavior is an oxymoron as Rollo is on vacation. Yuo really seem to be putting words in his mouth. How do you know he wants to act mean?? On all accounts it seems that you guys are provoking it.

I can't say, and I hesitate to say any more while Rollo can't respond, but ... I think "provoking" is a bit of strong word, it's hard to say anything opinionated in a forum (which is much of what they are for), without "offending" a similarly and strongly-opinionated fanboy's sensibilities about the situation. So in that sense, I would suggest that it would be nearly-impossible to say anything at all opinionated, about either NV or ATI or RMAs, without "provoking" him. (Of course, I have a similar trigger-issue when someone discusses MS, so I'm not innocent of that either.)

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
And no one asked you to. Simply give him the respect he deserves and im sure he would return the favor as would all human beings.

Well, the fact that he posts things like "sieg hiel" and makes analogies between people's behaviors and murderers and wife-beaters, tends to make that slightly difficult.

Perhaps a round of apologies all the way around would help? Though the way Tony responded in that thread too, was indeed IMHO far worse than any of Rollo's posts in that thread.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hardwarrior you are acting like Rollo is some noob troll, criminal kind of guy. He has simply jumped to conclusion too many times. He hasn't really posted any "hardcore" bad material (similiar to GFT's post). Give it a rest and stop continually portraying the guy as some hardened criminal.

NOW, can we please discuss GFT's comment. Once again i motion for a vacation.

-Kevin

You don't seem to be able to make a point without attacking someone in the process, indulging in super-heated rhetoric or ascribing attitudes that have in no way been indicated. Interesting, from a clinical point of view that is.

Motion? I wasn't aware that tempbans were initiated by commitee. Mod?

My take on this matter is that neither Kevin, HardWarrior, Rollo, GeForce Tony, or the mods have moral authority over anybody else. Moreover, it is not their place to pass judgement upon others.

Quite frankly, Kevin, I find it hypocritical of you to not see the other side of this. You keep ignoring the fact that Rollo has boldly crossed the line many times in the past, making reference to Nazis and such. As someone living in a free country, you should take offence to that type of comment, and if you don't I suggest you read some history books. Beyond that I think you need to develop some patience, which as far as I know is a strong component of your moral convictions. Oh, and please stop motioning for a vacation; we can all read the first post in this thread. Moreover, someone who has had at least one motion for a vacation against them in the past shouldn't be constantly calling out others in my opinion. :thumbsdown:

Were the mods justified in giving Rollo a vacation? Not in this case; Rollo did not post anything in the recent past that was vacation-worthy. Was Rollo justified in acting the way he did with regard to GeForce Tony? Definately not.

So there you have it. What goes around comes around, and when it comes around it tends to hit you three times as hard. As far as I see it the mods "missed a call" more than once with Rollo, and now they're making up for it with a penalty call that the fans are booing about.

Mods, mad props for at least maintaining some kind of order in these forums.

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