geforce3, twice as fast, lots of cool newf etures, but still the same old problems?

[kylebisme]

ok, i know a lot of you out there like your nvidia cards a lot and i belive they have their purposes, but i dont care for mine. however, i have a prophet sdr i never realy liked it much. when i got it i was atracted to its speed and all the new fetures it suported, also was a bit taken by all the pimping it got from John Carmack as q3 was my main game at that time. however as soon as i got it in i found some things i realy didnt like about it; the desktop realy blury at 1280x1024 on any good moitior, it produces a subtle but ugly flicker with trinitron style moitiors, and it skips frames every now and again when you turn v-sync on no mater if your advrageing +100fps or not. best i can figure the geforce2 is faster, but it still has all three of the above problems. however, i have heard about the great new fetures of the geforce3 and am excited to have such things as 71fps q3 4x4fsaa and x8 antistropic filtering, not to metion all the stuff that future games will support. the question is did they fix any of the existing problems?

 

[Hue]

I doubt the problems have been fixed. Nvidia seems to take a "Speed over Quality" attitude and I don't think it will change with this card. They make cards for kids who want to look at benchmarks, and get people like Carmack (who pushes more products than Toys-R-Us) to hype them. Same old story, same old Nvidia.

Another interesting thing (and very important) is that most of the new features of this card won't even be used for a long time, and by then there will be atleast 1 (maybe even 2) more generations of cards that are much better.

Geforce3 *yawn*

 

[RoboTECH]

"did they fix any of the existing problems? "

exactly. Loved the neato-things about both GTS cards I owned, but the annoying problems just ruined the experience for me. Hopefully nv20 will have this garbage fixed.

 

[Leon]

<< They make cards for kids who want to look at benchmarks, and get people like Carmack (who pushes more products than Toys-R-Us) to hype them. Same old story, same old Nvidia >>



Sorry, I'd rather trust world class programmer, then some junior member bashing unreleased NVIDIA cards in every thread

Leon

 

[Hue]

Leon, you are a funny man. He asked if the problems (which all 3 of us had already commented on) were solved and I said probably not.
So what? I think you are a little too sensitive. If you don't like my other opinions that's fine, no problem.

I wouldn't worship a company or a programmer if I was you. People will think you are in a cult or something.

 

[Silhouette90]

I heard that this problem is associated with the card manufacturers but not nvidia.
The car manufactures uses the most crappy and cheapest RAMDACs so that they can lower the manufacturing costs, hence the price of the card. That's why all you guys have 2d problems with nvidia cards!

 

[Leon]

Problems? What problems?

DXTC is fixed in 6.60+ releases (need to change the registry settings though).
2d quality is acceptable on Nvidia cards.

As for &quot;speed for quality&quot;, show me Radeon shots that looks like this good

 

[SniperWulf]

Actually its not all the card manufacturers fault. nVidia has a lot to do with this, and I seriously believe that the problems lie in the chips and RFI filters. My thing is that If it were the fault of the manufacturer, then why to people than own cards from manufacturers that claim the only use high quality components have the same problems?

 

[Hue]

Leon, who said anything about Radeon????? Not me. Not RoboTech. Not Snowman.

Why is it that anytime someone talks about the problems that Nvidia cards have, they are automatically Radeon lovers or Voodoo lovers?

Get a life dude.

 

[Leon]

I have a nice life.

It's the people like you that registered for the sole purpose of bashing a NVIDIA cards need one

Leon

 

[DefRef]

As for Nvidia 2D quality, I have NEVER had problems with my STB, Diamond, CL and ASUS cards. I run my desktop at 16x12x32 on a 19&quot; Hitachi monitor. I've spent an average of 6 hours/day for the last 2-1/2 years and I'd be BLIND if the quality was as bad has the Nvidia hatas keep saying.

 

[Leon]

Some ATI fans around here use multiple nicks to spread FUD, I wonder how many he has =P

Good thing that mods usually sort this out quickly.

 

[pidge]

Lately, most of the Pro Radeon/Anti-NVIDIA people have been junior members with their profiles disabled so it makes things very suspicious. I run at 1280x1024 and I have had both ATI Radeon and Geforce 2 and I couldn't tell much of a difference between both so I went with Geforce 2 Pro (Sony G400 19&quot; monitor). For some people, the holy grail is having the best 2D and if they can get that from a Radeon, more power to them. But there are several reasons why I like NVIDIA cards (and drivers) better and my Geforce 2 Pro makes me very happy. BTW, ATI Radeon cards have also been known to have flickering problems with Trinitron monitors however I have never experienced any flickering problems with either my Geforce 2 Pro/GTS or ATI AIW Radeon.

 

[pidge]

Lately, most of the Pro Radeon/Anti-NVIDIA people have been junior members with their profiles disabled so it makes things very suspicious. I run at 1280x1024 and I have had both ATI Radeon and Geforce 2 and I couldn't tell much of a difference between both so I went with Geforce 2 Pro (Sony G400 19&quot; monitor). For some people, the holy grail is having the best 2D and if they can get that from a Radeon, more power to them. But there are several reasons why I like NVIDIA cards (and drivers) better and my Geforce 2 Pro makes me very happy. BTW, ATI Radeon cards have also been known to have flickering problems with Trinitron monitors however I have never experienced any flickering problems with either my Geforce 2 Pro/GTS or ATI AIW Radeon.

 

[Hue]

Leon. You are pretty sad dude. What are the mods going to sort out? Please tell us.

What exactly have I done wrong? Saying that Nvidia has poor 2d? Seems like a lot of people agree. Are we all evil for saying that? Giving my opinions on the new card or Carmack? Was that so terribly wrong?

So please Mr &quot;I am the forum police&quot; Leon, tell us what I have done that was so bad. Do you always get so angry when you disagree with someone? Dude, you are freaking out here, and I have done nothing wrong and broken no rules. You need to get a life..... real soon!

 

[Leon]

<< You need to get a life..... real soon >>



Weak, my friend, really weak

 

[Hue]

Moderators I invite you to please read this thread and see if it's me or LEON that is trying to start trouble.

I made a couple comments at the top of the thread and since he disagreed with me, he has since decided to attack me, accuse me of being other people, and so on. Please read the thread and decide for yourself.

 

[Leon]

Posts made by Hue on Anandtech forums so far

If price is the main issue, get a Voodoo3 3000 for now. Decent game performance and solid 2D. If you can spend a little more get a Radeon that is on sale somewhere. The Nvidia cards 2D (at any price) will give you headaches from staring at the blurry desktop

Another one



You mentioned Strong 2D, so that lets out Nvidia cards. They have terrible 2D.

And a few more for kicks

I'm going to start saving for eye surgery from the damage that Nvidia's 2D has done to me

Nvidia seems to take a &quot;Speed over Quality&quot; attitude and I don't think it will change with this card. They make cards for kids who want to look at benchmarks, and get people like Carmack (who pushes more products than Toys-R-Us) to hype them. Same old story, same old Nvidia.

As I said, the guy registered here for sole purpose of bashing NVIDIA and spreading FUD. At Anandtech, it's called trolling

Leon

 

[Hue]

I ask again, what is your problem LEON? Are you so sensitive because most people agree that Nvidia 2d sucks? You just keep on accusing me of stuff that makes you look bad.

Several other people in the VERY SAME thread have said it too. Hello????? Are you blind? Do you not see that MANY people say the same thing? Is it a crime to say it? I don't think so. You are searching for my posts? OMG that is so sad. I stand by everything I said and I'm not ashamed of telling the truth and giving my opinions. I would have never said another word in this thread about Nvidia's 2D if you didn't keep trying to accuse me of crazy stuff.

If you get this upset when people point out a flaw in a piece of hardware, than I suggest you get away from computers. There is no such thing as a perfect piece of hardware LEON.

It's ok dude. Really ......... it will be ok Leon. Just take a deep breath.

 

[nortexoid]

software is never up to par w/ hardware...

hence the laughability factor of people who buy the latest generation cards so they can play quake 3 at 150fps instead of 100fps...

FSAA is another topic however..

 

[nortexoid]

Hue, why are u even concerned?...why are u even responding?

yes, their 2D isn't the greatest at higher resolutions...if monocular cataract eyed nvidia proponents wish to suggest otherwise, let it be...

oh yeah, nvidia charges insane prices for relatively sub-par quality chipsets...ok, perhaps on a par w/ my defacto...i'll give them that much

 

[Hue]

if monocular cataract eyed nvidia proponents wish to suggest otherwise, let it be...

hehe, thanks man.

Yeah you are right. There is no point responding to him. The guy has gone off the edge with this defending Nvidia stuff.

 

[RoboTECH]

Hue, people get defensive over their choices of video cards. Say something incorrect about the 5500, and I'll breathe down your neck rather intensely.

and believe me, my breath stinks.

That being said, I have had nvidia cards for as long as I can remember, and the 2d always sucked. Plain and simple. It just sucked. The 5500's 2d is far superior.

I can't for the life of me figure out how a company as awesome as nvidia could allow so many graphics cards manufacturers to put out hteir cards with crappy 2d.

I wish I had the time to play NFS and Superbikes and Q3 all day long, but I don't.

Hell, even my wife bitched when I replaced the 5500 with the 64MB GTS I had. Believe me, she hates ALL gaming graphics cards, not just nvidia.

 

[Hue]

Thanks to nortexoid and RoboTech for bringing some more sense to the table. This LEON guy just went off the deep end. It's kinda scary seeing people go nuts right before your eyes.

Anyway Robo, I hear ya. The first thing my girlfrind noticed when I had my GTS was the bad 2d. She said something like &quot;What happened to the internet, it looks like sh!t now&quot;. Ok we better stop or somebody might get angry.

I do think the GeForce3 will be kick butt, however I still think that by the time most of the features are used, there will be 1 or 2 more generations of cards already out. I guess that's always the case with hardware vs software.

 

[merlocka]

Just a reminder... some, possibly many, but obviously not all nVidia AIC's have fine 2d quality. I have one.

I've looked at S3, Banshee, Voodoo3, Matrox G200, TnT, TnT2, good Geforce, and bad Geforce. I wish some website would pick up a GF2 card from each vendor and test them (even just a subjective test) with a few different monitors and report the results.

Now, of course this still needs to be fixed. I hope nVidia follows through with boardmakers to ensure they build proper filtering into the output stages.