Geforce2 GTS Compatibility Issue

[EmosOohay]

Geforce2 GTS Compatibility Issue

Configuration:

Motherboard: Tyan Thunderbolt S1837UANG / 440GX / AGP 2X / AMI Bios Version V2.00.09
Windows 98 SE 4.10.2222 A
Pentium III 500Mhz 128Mb
Creative PCI Live Audio Card


I have previously attempted to install a ELSA Gladaic Geforce2 GTS AGP card. I reformated my hard drive and did a clean install with the Gladaic installed to insure there was no driver conflicts with the previous video card (Creative Blaster Exxtreme). I also upgraded my BIOS to the latest revision and installed new Intel 440GX chipset drivers. The Gladaic would not function, but the system would boot to Win98SE. The Device manager indicated error code 24, device not functioning or drivers not installed correctly. The system would revert to the standard VGA driver and disable the Gladaic.

Anyone have any idea what the problem is? Any suggestions?

Obviously I'm looking for an alternative to the Gladaic. Based on this experience will any of the Geforce2 GTS graphics cards work? Any other recommendations?

TIA
Emos

 

[Vrangel]

Try reference drivers.

And since its a workstation convert it to Quattro.

 

[Fokks]

Does it work if you don't install the GX drivers?

What drivers are you using for the GF2?
Try using the latest nvidia reference drivers from www.nvidia.com

What GX drivers are you using?
Have you tried the latest Intel INF file?

In your BIOS have you disabled all forms of video caching?

 

[EmosOohay]

Tried nvidia D3 drivers - same problem

OS disables card during boot and reverts to 16bit diag mode.

 

[EmosOohay]

Below is the Conflicts/Sharing, IRQs, Memory, and Problem Devices sections from the system information utility. I can email the complete text output, in zip format, from Microsoft's system information utility if necessary.

The system posts, but the card is disabled during boot. The drivers install
without error. Let me know if there is anything else I can try.


[Conflicts/Sharing]

IRQ 10 Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI Controller
IRQ 10 Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI Controller
IRQ 10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
IRQ 11 Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
IRQ 11 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 11 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
IRQ 12 ELSA GLADIAC
IRQ 12 WheelMouse2 (PS/2)
IRQ 14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IRQ 14 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
IRQ 15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IRQ 15 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller

[IRQs]

0 System timer
1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
2 Programmable interrupt controller
3 Communications Port (COM2)
4 Communications Port (COM1)
6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller
7 EPSON Printer Port (LPT1)
8 System CMOS/real time clock
9 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
10 Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI Controller
10 Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI Controller
10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
11 Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
11 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
11 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
12 ELSA GLADIAC
12 WheelMouse2 (PS/2)
13 Numeric data processor
14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
14 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
15 Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
5 (free)


[Memory]

x00000000 - x0000FFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x00000000 - x0009FBFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
x00000000 - x00FFFFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x00000000 - x07FFFFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x0009FC00 - x0009FFFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
x000A0000 - x000AFFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x000B0000 - x000BFFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x000C0000 - x000CAFFF ELSA GLADIAC
x000CC000 - x000D17FF Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI
Controller
x000E0000 - x000FFFFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
x00100000 - x07FFFFFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
x08000000 - x080FFFFF Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
x08100000 - x08100FFF Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
xE4400000 - xF44FFFFF Intel(r) 82443GX Processor to AGP controller
xF8000000 - xFBFFFFFF Intel(r) 82443GX Processor to PCI bridge
xFC600000 - xFE6FFFFF Intel(r) 82443GX Processor to AGP controller
xFEBFE000 - xFEBFEFFF Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI
Controller
xFEBFF000 - xFEBFFFFF Adaptec AIC-7896/AIC-7897 based PCI Ultra2 SCSI
Controller
xFEC00000 - xFEC00FFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
xFEE00000 - xFEE00FFF System board extension for PnP BIOS
xFFFC0000 - xFFFFFFFF System board extension for PnP BIOS

[Problem Devices]


ELSA GLADIAC
DISPLAY
This Device Has a Problem: Code=24 (0x18)
This device is not present, not working properly, or does not have all
the
drivers installed. See your hardware documentation.
Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0150&SUBSYS_0C501048&REV_A3\000800
Alloc resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 12 Mask: xDEB8
IO Range: Base=x03B0 End=x03BB
Min=x03B0 Max=x03BB Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Base=x03C0 End=x03DF
Min=x03C0 Max=x03DF Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Memory Address Range: Base= x000A0000 End=
x000AFFFF Min= x000A0000 Max= x000AFFFF
Base= x000B0000 End=
x000BFFFF Min= x000B0000 Max= x000BFFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x00FFFFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x07FFFFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Base= x000C0000 End=
x000CAFFF Min= x000C0000 Max= x000CAFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x0000FFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Forced resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 12 Mask: xDEB8
IO Range: Base=x03B0 End=x03BB
Min=x03B0 Max=x03BB Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Base=x03C0 End=x03DF
Min=x03C0 Max=x03DF Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Memory Address Range: Base= x000A0000 End=
x000AFFFF Min= x000A0000 Max= x000AFFFF
Base= x000B0000 End=
x000BFFFF Min= x000B0000 Max= x000BFFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x00FFFFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x07FFFFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Base= x000C0000 End=
x000CAFFF Min= x000C0000 Max= x000CAFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x0000FFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
Boot resources: None
Filtered resources: None
Basic resources: Logical Configuration 0
IRQ: 0 Mask: xDEB8
IO Range: Base=x03B0 End=x03BB
Min=x03B0 Max=x03BB Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Base=x03C0 End=x03DF
Min=x03C0 Max=x03DF Alias=x04, Decode=x03
Memory Address Range: Base= x000A0000 End=
x000AFFFF Min= x000A0000 Max= x000AFFFF
Base= x000B0000 End=
x000BFFFF Min= x000B0000 Max= x000BFFFF
Base= x000C0000 End=
x000CAFFF Min= x000C0000 Max= x000CAFFF
Base= x00000000 End=
x0000FFFF Min= x00000000 Max= xFFFFFFFF
HW Revision: 163
Driver: DISPLAY\0001
Driver Date: 6- 5-2000
Driver: ST3D_ZT.HLP
File Size: Driver Not
Installed
File Date: Driver Not
Installed

<<********** sinpped for size limit ************>>

Driver: LSAGDAD.DRV
File Size: Driver Not
Installed
File Date: Driver Not
Installed
Driver: ELSAGC3D.DAT
File Size: 66075
(0x1021B)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:20
PM
Driver: ELSALOGO.DAT
File Size: 23579
(0x5C1B)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:20
PM
Driver: ELSAST3D.DAT
File Size: 131611
(0x2021B)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:20
PM
Driver: ELSAGDA3.VXD
File Size: 5819 (0x16BB)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:40
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAU.DLL
File Size: 81920
(0x14000)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:40
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAO.DLL
File Size: 1433088
(0x15DE00)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:40
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAS.DLL
File Size: 20480
(0x5000)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:27
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAA.DLL
File Size: 6144 (0x1800)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:27
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAR.VXD
File Size: 314005
(0x4CA95)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:27
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDA2.VXD
File Size: 197844
(0x304D4)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:25
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAV.VXD
File Size: 208092
(0x32CDC)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:25
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAX.DLL
File Size: 751616
(0xB7800)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:35
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAM.DLL
File Size: 44928
(0xAF80)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:27
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010
Driver: ELSAGDAD.DRV
File Size: 96800
(0x17A20)
File Date: 6/5/2000 1:32
PM
Company Name: ELSA AG
(Aachen, Germany)
File Version:
4.12.01.0204-0010

 

[EmosOohay]

Does it work if you don't install the GX drivers? >>Yes

What drivers are you using for the GF2? >>ELSA lates from their site
Try using the latest nvidia reference drivers from www.nvidia.com >>Did that with same result

What GX drivers are you using? >>Latest from Itel site
Have you tried the latest Intel INF file? >>Yes, doesn't their Software Installation Utility install both at the same time?

In your BIOS have you disabled all forms of video caching? >>Yes I think so

 

[Vrangel]

Are you saying it works without Intel drivers ?
Those drivers are for Crystal ISA audio and Intel LAN.
Any reason you need them? You've got PCI soundcard...

EDIT
Anyway I think Elsa drivers are prime suspect.
Remove them completely even if you have to reformat again.
And if you do reformat take out all components except videocard.
After loading Windows install Nvidia reference drivers.
Then add components one by one.

 

[EmosOohay]

>Are you saying it works without Intel drivers ?

As soon as I install ELSA or nvidia drivers (thereby enabling the GF2) the card craps out.

Those drivers are for Crystal ISA audio and Intel LAN.
Any reason you need them? You've got PCI soundcard...



EDIT
Anyway I think Elsa drivers are prime suspect.
Remove them completely even if you have to reformat again.
And if you do reformat take out all components except videocard.
After loading Windows install Nvidia reference drivers.
Then add components one by one.

I've tried both ELSA and nvidia drivers with the same result.

Also tried reformating and removing or disabling everything I could.
Not much changed except I had a lot of free IRQs.

The power source for the AGP is the problem. Just doesn't have enough current for the GF2,
or so I'm told. It makes sense though, as soon as the GF2 is enabled the board dies.
Running in standard VGA mode, no problem.

Thanks for the help

 

[Vrangel]

Your cut/paste replies are rather confusing.

I am unaware of any power problems with GX chipset.
No power issue can prevent driver installation .

Its possible some obscure BIOS setting is causing this.
Reset CMOS. You can also revert to previous BIOS version.

It is important not to have any trace of ELSA drivers .
They include some poorly tested utilities .
Which are installed separately and are hard to get rid of completely.

If Nvidia 6.xx drivers do not work then start with 5.xx after reformat.