Geforce2 gts 32/64, performance diff?
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Mostly depending on your cpu, if you on a Duron you might not see a difernce because of its low cache, Im not saying its slow just since it has less cache then p3 and athlon, it wont have much memory to run a 64mb geforce2. If your on a Tbird you would see about a 20-30% difernce between 32/64mb. Im going to have a k6-3+450 soon and oc it to 600 and its going to run very good with a gf2 gts but im getting a 32mb version, a 64mb version would barely be any better because of the k6-3+'s 256k cache, not enough. In anohter words, if you got a 256k cache cpu, get the 32mb card, if you got a 512k cache cpu and got spare money and want 64mb of vid memory, then get that. Thats all i got to say.
CompFreak:
Forget about that. You will never be able to overclock a K6-3 450MHz to 600MHz. The K6-2 and K6-3 are very bad for overclockers.
Forget about that. You will never be able to overclock a K6-3 450MHz to 600MHz. The K6-2 and K6-3 are very bad for overclockers.
actually the only difference between the two is the amount of textures the card can hold without having to break into system RAM (AGP texturing i think it's called) or re-loading it. there is really a standard here, if you go over the limit by a meg or so, performance can get absolutely KILLED by the relatively slow main memory subsystem when compared to local RAM. Anyways, most games will suffice with 32MBs of data, although some games are just starting to surface where a 64MB card will be greatly desirable if you wish to run at higher texture details/resolutions.
This can explain the difference between the quaver demo for Q3, where texture compression allows a standardisation of framerates with 32MB cards on par with that of 64MB variants. Some people however, dont like the artifacts that texture compression give, so they go for the 64MB version, just ask RoboTECH, that's what he did.
Overall difference? Not very much at the moment, but in the future these cards can/will be heavily desired. Texture compression really makes local memory size a non-issie, especially regarding the ratio of compression for DXTC(4:1). This gives a total texture memory of 4x(32-framebuffersize) for a 32MB card, and considering the framebuffer only takes up 1-3MB of that at most, you are getting about 100MB of texture storage space.
The choice is yours
This can explain the difference between the quaver demo for Q3, where texture compression allows a standardisation of framerates with 32MB cards on par with that of 64MB variants. Some people however, dont like the artifacts that texture compression give, so they go for the 64MB version, just ask RoboTECH, that's what he did.
Overall difference? Not very much at the moment, but in the future these cards can/will be heavily desired. Texture compression really makes local memory size a non-issie, especially regarding the ratio of compression for DXTC(4:1). This gives a total texture memory of 4x(32-framebuffersize) for a 32MB card, and considering the framebuffer only takes up 1-3MB of that at most, you are getting about 100MB of texture storage space.
The choice is yours
everyone is missing the TRUE difference between the cards
overclocking
the 64MB GTS cards come with Hyundai SDRAM, and the 32MB GTS cards come with Infineon SGRAM.
The Hyundai overclocks to the 400 MHz range. In other words, a 64MB card can be overclocked to GTS-Pro levels.
The 32MB cards typically won't go past 370 without issues.
So, if you're not goin to overclock, you won't get much out of the added RAM. If you do overclock, the 64MB card gives you the "double whammy" - more throughput to handle higher resolutions, and more texture RAM to handle the extra needed storage space
overclocking
the 64MB GTS cards come with Hyundai SDRAM, and the 32MB GTS cards come with Infineon SGRAM.
The Hyundai overclocks to the 400 MHz range. In other words, a 64MB card can be overclocked to GTS-Pro levels.
The 32MB cards typically won't go past 370 without issues.
So, if you're not goin to overclock, you won't get much out of the added RAM. If you do overclock, the 64MB card gives you the "double whammy" - more throughput to handle higher resolutions, and more texture RAM to handle the extra needed storage space
hrm, I did miss that issue, I've never owned either so what the hell would I know, thanks anyway Robo
BFG10K
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Mostly depending on your cpu, if you on a Duron you might not see a difernce because of its low cache, ... In anohter words, if you got a 256k cache cpu, get the 32mb card, if you got a 512k cache cpu and got spare money and want 64mb of vid memory, then get that.
Compfreak, that has got to be the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard. You act like the cache size is all that matters in 3D games. In reality the cache size probably has the least impact on 3D games. A Katmai Pentium 3 with a 512 MB L2 cache runs 3D games the same speed as a Celeron with a 128 MB L2 cache. If caches are to be a factor in 3D games they need to be high speed, low latency and a have wide datapath to the CPU.
So stop talking BS. You're totally misleading somebody who really doesn't know how it works. For a "kid" you sure seem to try and get technical quite often.
Regarding the original question, having more video RAM allows more textures to be stored on the card enabling richer scenes, and less AGP/main memory accesses because there is enough room to store everything in the local video RAM. You can also push higher resolutions with more VRAM and not take as much of a speed hit.
At the moment with texture compression turned on both boards, a 32 MB board will do almost as well as a 64 MB board (ie there's only a negligable difference at the highest resolutions). Of course as Weyoun says, if you don't like S3TC turned on in Quake 3 and want to play at high detail at 1024 x 768 resolution or above, get the 64 MB board.
Compfreak, that has got to be the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard. You act like the cache size is all that matters in 3D games. In reality the cache size probably has the least impact on 3D games. A Katmai Pentium 3 with a 512 MB L2 cache runs 3D games the same speed as a Celeron with a 128 MB L2 cache. If caches are to be a factor in 3D games they need to be high speed, low latency and a have wide datapath to the CPU.
So stop talking BS. You're totally misleading somebody who really doesn't know how it works. For a "kid" you sure seem to try and get technical quite often.
Regarding the original question, having more video RAM allows more textures to be stored on the card enabling richer scenes, and less AGP/main memory accesses because there is enough room to store everything in the local video RAM. You can also push higher resolutions with more VRAM and not take as much of a speed hit.
At the moment with texture compression turned on both boards, a 32 MB board will do almost as well as a 64 MB board (ie there's only a negligable difference at the highest resolutions). Of course as Weyoun says, if you don't like S3TC turned on in Quake 3 and want to play at high detail at 1024 x 768 resolution or above, get the 64 MB board.
BFG10K Shut that Mister know it all face up! Man Stop Replying at every god dam post i make! Ur Pussy posts are useless F@ck you man go away for once! When will you ever learn that mass replying at people is useless! Goku dont listen to that BFG guy hes just full of sh1t. Ya Heared me! If you would not Act like shut a dumbass then i wouldn't mind you but you just dont seem to get it dont u. For the last time! STOP REPLYING AT EVERY POST I MAKE! IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A IDIOT!
OK, I don't do this often, but this case is a special one.
Compfreak
If you want to attack BFG, at least attack me too, I've responded to every one of your threads, aren't I just as much a legitimate target? Bring it on kid, I've seen your type before.
Can you attack ANY of BFG's points on a technical level? Just ONE?? I didn't think so.
If anyone here's looking like an idiot right now, it's you buddy. Your childish attitude and non-factual points add NOTHING to this board but anger. You are quite possibly developing into the largest troll i've ever personally seen on these forums. If you have anything else valuable to say, voice it so we can all learn from the self proclaimed expert. If not, shut your hole, and be prepared to learn, just like the rest of us.
If you want to join the ranks of Josh3D, then I invite you there. We can have a poll regarding your attitude. Pick up your act or leave kid, you're not wanted here if you can't do that. Don't play innocent-kid-happy-at-christmas either, I couldn't give 2 sh1ts whether you're 15 years old or 50, your posts are up to just as much scrutiny as anyone here. Do you expect us to be lenient to your BS posts just because you were 'drunk', 'growing up' or 'just happy for xmas'? I certainly wont...
Compfreak
If you want to attack BFG, at least attack me too, I've responded to every one of your threads, aren't I just as much a legitimate target? Bring it on kid, I've seen your type before.
Can you attack ANY of BFG's points on a technical level? Just ONE?? I didn't think so.
If anyone here's looking like an idiot right now, it's you buddy. Your childish attitude and non-factual points add NOTHING to this board but anger. You are quite possibly developing into the largest troll i've ever personally seen on these forums. If you have anything else valuable to say, voice it so we can all learn from the self proclaimed expert. If not, shut your hole, and be prepared to learn, just like the rest of us.
If you want to join the ranks of Josh3D, then I invite you there. We can have a poll regarding your attitude. Pick up your act or leave kid, you're not wanted here if you can't do that. Don't play innocent-kid-happy-at-christmas either, I couldn't give 2 sh1ts whether you're 15 years old or 50, your posts are up to just as much scrutiny as anyone here. Do you expect us to be lenient to your BS posts just because you were 'drunk', 'growing up' or 'just happy for xmas'? I certainly wont...
Weyoun,
And what valuable information did you add to the board with that nice big ego 'Hey I know more than you' childish post?
I'm curious if you normally follow your own advice or chastise others for doing the same that you do.
What is the definitive criteria for a 'post of worth'? Or might it be only a personal standard to which you fell short of?
-=)Rush(=-
And what valuable information did you add to the board with that nice big ego 'Hey I know more than you' childish post?
I'm curious if you normally follow your own advice or chastise others for doing the same that you do.
What is the definitive criteria for a 'post of worth'? Or might it be only a personal standard to which you fell short of?
-=)Rush(=-
BFG10K
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Comfreak:
Man Stop Replying at every god dam post i make!
I have responded to exactly 3 of your threads. Checking your profile I see you have made 113 posts. That's hardly "every god dam post" is it?
Goku dont listen to that BFG guy hes just full of sh1t.
Riiiight. And your "little cache = 32 MB GTS and big cache = 64 MB GTS" was technically correct.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A IDIOT!
LOL! Pot-kettle-black.
rush2112:
And what valuable information did you add to the board with that nice big ego 'Hey I know more than you' childish post?
Weyoun has contributed quite a lot of information to this forum. Of course if you weren't a junior member you would have been here long enough to know that.
What is the definitive criteria for a 'post of worth'? Or might it be only a personal standard to which you fell short of?
Uh, did you even read Weyoun's response? All of his points were technically correct. Unlike Compfreak who made up some BS cache story to make him feel better about his weak K6-X CPU. If he likes it, fine. But he shouldn't make up BS and convince others to like it.
Man Stop Replying at every god dam post i make!
I have responded to exactly 3 of your threads. Checking your profile I see you have made 113 posts. That's hardly "every god dam post" is it?
Goku dont listen to that BFG guy hes just full of sh1t.
Riiiight. And your "little cache = 32 MB GTS and big cache = 64 MB GTS" was technically correct.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A IDIOT!
LOL! Pot-kettle-black.
rush2112:
And what valuable information did you add to the board with that nice big ego 'Hey I know more than you' childish post?
Weyoun has contributed quite a lot of information to this forum. Of course if you weren't a junior member you would have been here long enough to know that.
What is the definitive criteria for a 'post of worth'? Or might it be only a personal standard to which you fell short of?
Uh, did you even read Weyoun's response? All of his points were technically correct. Unlike Compfreak who made up some BS cache story to make him feel better about his weak K6-X CPU. If he likes it, fine. But he shouldn't make up BS and convince others to like it.
rush2112
ok, you are more than welcome to check my posting history, i have NOTHING to hide. if you want a sample post, check my first post in this thread. not contributing? give me a break dude...
and did i say i was the be all and end all of knowledge? you're again welcome to check my posting history, and to say the least i've been very modest in the majority of them. notice all the 'I could be wrong's and 'feel free to prove me wrong's in my posts?
ok, you are more than welcome to check my posting history, i have NOTHING to hide. if you want a sample post, check my first post in this thread. not contributing? give me a break dude...
and did i say i was the be all and end all of knowledge? you're again welcome to check my posting history, and to say the least i've been very modest in the majority of them. notice all the 'I could be wrong's and 'feel free to prove me wrong's in my posts?
children, am I going to have to come down from my throne upon high and righteously b!tchslap each and everyone of you?
Compfreak:
A GTS is kind of a waste with the cpus you mention here.
A Duron will run either GTS twice as fast as a K6-3, OCd or not.
Time for a new motherboard Compfreak, K6-x = slideshow framerates.
BTW- your cache size of chips vs. video card RAM makes no sense.
A GTS is kind of a waste with the cpus you mention here.
A Duron will run either GTS twice as fast as a K6-3, OCd or not.
Time for a new motherboard Compfreak, K6-x = slideshow framerates.
BTW- your cache size of chips vs. video card RAM makes no sense.
Weyoun, you want me to "throne your ass"
uh....I don't know much about "your lifestyle", but that's not a practice I engage in. No matter how much you beg, plead, or pay me, I'm not going to TOUCH your ass!
now, to get along with this menagerie, cache size means little, cache latency means everything in games.
uh....I don't know much about "your lifestyle", but that's not a practice I engage in. No matter how much you beg, plead, or pay me, I'm not going to TOUCH your ass!
now, to get along with this menagerie, cache size means little, cache latency means everything in games.
Robo, of course i didnt mean that You are a very twisted man to think that I forgot a comma, 'throne, my ass' comparing the throne to my ass, thereby making you king of the turd pile
And BTW no this isnt my lifestyle
You are a very twisted man to think that I forgot a comma, 'throne, my ass' comparing the throne to my ass, thereby making you king of the turd pile And BTW no this isnt my lifestyle
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Stop talking about the damn K6+, fine it runs at 600mhz. OK we understand lets get over it. Just because the K6 has more L2 cache than the druon its not going it beat it. Seriosuly aren't the K6 and the Duron about the same price now? I'd pick up a Duron @1000 for around 80-90 on this board anyday over a K6.
Now as far as 32 vs 64MB is concerned I can help you there. w/ my P3550E@825 i tested both an CLAP 2 and the Herc 64MB, both OC'd to about 230/400. Difference in 3dmark was like 200 points, no real difference in UT and Q3A, save the money and get a 32MB, or at least get a GTS PRO so you can OC to Ultra speeds.
"a 512k cache cpu and got spare money and want 64mb of vid memory, then get that. Thats all i got to say." Hmmm this makes a lot of sense, the only CPU w/ 512K L2 is the P3 Katami and I dunno but maybe the classic athlon. Both of these DO NOT RUN THE CACHE AT FULL SPEED, so its moot to have more cache.
Now as far as 32 vs 64MB is concerned I can help you there. w/ my P3550E@825 i tested both an CLAP 2 and the Herc 64MB, both OC'd to about 230/400. Difference in 3dmark was like 200 points, no real difference in UT and Q3A, save the money and get a 32MB, or at least get a GTS PRO so you can OC to Ultra speeds.
"a 512k cache cpu and got spare money and want 64mb of vid memory, then get that. Thats all i got to say." Hmmm this makes a lot of sense, the only CPU w/ 512K L2 is the P3 Katami and I dunno but maybe the classic athlon. Both of these DO NOT RUN THE CACHE AT FULL SPEED, so its moot to have more cache.
<<Compfreak, that has got to be the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard>>
You got that rightBFG10K. This kid make a fool out of himself trying to sound like an expert.
Compfreak when you get your K6-3+450 to overclock to 600MHz come back here with some screenshots and bench to let us all know how it performs. But in the mean time don't post misleading infos kid.
You got that rightBFG10K. This kid make a fool out of himself trying to sound like an expert.
Compfreak when you get your K6-3+450 to overclock to 600MHz come back here with some screenshots and bench to let us all know how it performs. But in the mean time don't post misleading infos kid.
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