GeForce Titan coming end of February

[RussianSensation]

If you actually read the rest of my post, you'd have realized - I did read his thread. Instead of just snipping my post and leaving 2xGPU...yeah, nevermind, I've had this dance with you - you only hear/argue what you want.

I snipped this part because it was obvious what I was talking about in reply to your concern:

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Last post on this, since I don't want to steer off course, more so, but this guy's kila-watt meter made me double think (and yes, I acknowledge he has more hardware than me, but even at 750-775W I wouldn't feel comfortable, considering my PSU is already 4 years old!

Wow! I clearly attempted to clarify your PSU concerns over 2 overclocked 7970s as I presume you were thinking of getting another card, and that's how you respond to me? There wasn't even an ounce of argument in my post. I was simply pointing out that your estimate of 750-775W usage was off, which is why your concern is unwarranted. An overclocked 7970 on stock voltage does not use more than 250W and your CPU/mobo aren't going to be drawing 250W. Your PSU can handle 2 overclocked HD7970s, even 2 overvolted ones at 1.25V. Those are the facts. Yet, you are upset I tried to help you out and yet you were publicly stating that power consumption was a big deal and your PSU might not handle it since it's only an 850W? Why would you double think if you just said that you were aware that each 7970 @ 1.29V and 1250mhz uses 75-100W more than yours after reading the OP's thread in detail? Subtract 200W from his reading and what do you get? Certainly not 750-775W of power at the PSU level. His measurements are also at least 12% higher than real world power consumption since he didn't even have a Platinum rated PSU. I apologize if you are upset someone on these boards offered constructive feedback that actually gave you a peace of mind for upgrade options...It's actually ironic that you replied to me saying that "you only hear/argue what you want" when you ignored my post regarding PSU requirements, how power consumption differs between at the wall and at the PSU level and impact on GPU power consumption when overvolted to 1.29V vs. stock voltage.

Sweet card. For a hot grand you think they would include a nice back-plate -- Geesh!!

It would obstruct airflow in SLI where space is already limited. Some people may want to run 3 Titans in SLI and NV needed to accommodate that case. ^_^

Unless they are deaf?...

-- Top of the line rear exhaust cooler, less noise than a reference 680, makes the 7970GHz sound worse than it already does

There are is no such retail product as a reference designed HD7970GE. It's getting tiresome when people are linking/discussing noise levels of a card you can't buy! This mythical reference HD7970GE retail card has been non-existent for 8+ months now and AMD has no plans on launching any soon either. Go on Newegg and find a hot and loud HD7970GE. I'll get you both started.

Yeah, if AMD is really smart, AMD should be officially launching HD 7990 (dual 7970GE) as an official model number on the same day as Titan is launched (this Thursday), to steal thunder away from it. It should be even faster than GTX 690, for the same price as both 690 and Titan.

I don't think it would matter. The target market for the Titan would buy the Titan already over the 690/7990 to escape the multi-GPU scaling issues. The Titan would also be quieter, overclock better, use less power consumption and be a "cooler" part to own. And if someone just wanted the fastest 2 cards for $1000 based on FPS, they would buy individual Asus Matrix HD7970 Platinums x2 instead of HD7990. Unless you have a tiny case, or just hate the idea of 2 GPU cards, HD7990 doesn't make any sense when Asus Matrix 7970 Platinum exists and overclocks to 1300mhz+. AMD could launch a reference 7990 but it wouldn't do anything to detract from the Titan.

Also if you read AMD's recent transcript, they said that people who haven't upgraded last year are on an 18-24 months upgrade cycle based on their estimates. These people are either waiting for 20nm GPUs or they are waiting for prices of HD7000/600 cards to come down so that they could upgrade (Balla). None of these consumers will be buying the Titan. For existing HD7970CF/GTX670SLI/680SLI the Titan isn't a clear upgrade either. Yes, you get rid of micro-stutter but you'll lose a lot of value side-grading, or have to spend $2K for a real upgrade. Used GTX670/7970 cards won't fetch more than $600 which means $400 upgrade just to get rid of micro-stutter. Not many will find this appealing. A lot dual-GPU owners will wait until $500 Maxwell/Volcanic Islands drop to upgrade. It seems NV really aimed this card at people who will want DP performance and its compute features for Adobe CS6, computing, but don't necessarily need ECC, etc. The other group of people are highest end PC enthusiasts who just upgrade to the latest and greatest, and probably people who don't follow tech closely but can afford the best (pre-built boutique PC systems). Some of those buyers might build a new $5,000 PC for Crysis 3. At $1K but 1 year after many enthusiasts dropped $1K on HD7970x2/GTX680x2/690, I don't think the Titan is targeting those consumers.

 

[PowerK]

Are we going to see non-reference Titans such as...
MSI GTX Titan Lightning and EVGA GTX Titan Classified ?

 

[blackened23]

Are we going to see non-reference Titans such as...
MSI GTX Titan Lightning and EVGA GTX Titan Classified ?

The only thing i've heard is that AIB makers can dictate maximum GPU boost 2.0 voltage. It is still tied to overall temperature - so far the highest i've heard is 1.21V, which is slightly higher than the typical stock load voltage of 1.176V.

I really don't think custom cards are happening, although Titan on water should be absolutely nuts.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Just out of curiosity, whos going to get one?

Im on the fence but might end up getting it.

 

[PowerK]

Just out of curiosity, whos going to get one?

Im on the fence but might end up getting it.

I'm thinking.. I sold one of my 690s yesterday.

 

[Hauk]

I'm thinking.. I sold one of my 690s yesterday.

Oh you have to now; what good is a single 690?

I'll bite when I can snag one for $699

 

[Annisman*]

Definately grabbing one, maybe a second later.

 

[OCGuy]

The Blues beating the Nucks striaght up the other night paid for 1.5 of these.....I think i'll bite.

 

[notty22]

Another positive difference from other Halo launches is Nvidia dispelling the limited edition status or 10K copies of the card. Multiple sites are going to be testing, Titan SLI and Tri SLI. Which is a positive for both driver stability /performance expectations at launch and evidence there is not just a handful of review samples.

Guru3D

PcPer

Anandtech.com

 

[Rubycon]

For the premium they are charging it should have a nice aluminum backplate. Exposed PCB? C'mon! I thought it was ridiculous with the 690 as well. EVGA finally got the $25 backplates in stock, but again (IMHO) they should be standard for this caliber of hardware!

 

[YBS1]

Just out of curiosity, whos going to get one?

Im on the fence but might end up getting it.

I'm considering...but I'd have to get two for it to be worth my while and I don't know if I can justify the two grand for the differences I would see between that and 680 Lightnings in SLI in the small number of games that can even stress the 680s. Sure would be nice to pair them up with this 3930k though, new toys make you want even more new toys.

 

[Smartazz]

Now that the price was revealed to be so high, I'm considering going the Crossfire route with 2 7950s.

 

[kami]

Linus' unboxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgQbcQlRoNE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Test bench: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3W4m7EpYUA

 

[njdevilsfan87]

No. If these sell well then expect $1000 flagship to become the norm.

 

[BoFox]

I don't think it would matter. The target market for the Titan would buy the Titan already over the 690/7990 to escape the multi-GPU scaling issues. The Titan would also be quieter, overclock better, use less power consumption and be a "cooler" part to own. And if someone just wanted the fastest 2 cards for $1000 based on FPS, they would buy individual Asus Matrix HD7970 Platinums x2 instead of HD7990. Unless you have a tiny case, or just hate the idea of 2 GPU cards, HD7990 doesn't make any sense when Asus Matrix 7970 Platinum exists and overclocks to 1300mhz+. AMD could launch a reference 7990 but it wouldn't do anything to detract from the Titan.

Also if you read AMD's recent transcript, they said that people who haven't upgraded last year are on an 18-24 months upgrade cycle based on their estimates. These people are either waiting for 20nm GPUs or they are waiting for prices of HD7000/600 cards to come down so that they could upgrade (Balla). None of these consumers will be buying the Titan. For existing HD7970CF/GTX670SLI/680SLI the Titan isn't a clear upgrade either. Yes, you get rid of micro-stutter but you'll lose a lot of value side-grading, or have to spend $2K for a real upgrade. Used GTX670/7970 cards won't fetch more than $600 which means $400 upgrade just to get rid of micro-stutter. Not many will find this appealing. A lot dual-GPU owners will wait until $500 Maxwell/Volcanic Islands drop to upgrade. It seems NV really aimed this card at people who will want DP performance and its compute features for Adobe CS6, computing, but don't necessarily need ECC, etc. The other group of people are highest end PC enthusiasts who just upgrade to the latest and greatest, and probably people who don't follow tech closely but can afford the best (pre-built boutique PC systems). Some of those buyers might build a new $5,000 PC for Crysis 3. At $1K but 1 year after many enthusiasts dropped $1K on HD7970x2/GTX680x2/690, I don't think the Titan is targeting those consumers.

Good read!
Well, 1) 7990 would overall be up to 20% FASTER than Titan for the price, GPU-scaling problems or not. (There is also a good number of Radeon Enthusiasts who would love to buy it.)
2) Power consumption does not matter to people who spend $1000.
3) It would definitely act as a very very huge and soft pillow cushioning Titan's impact, by immediately taking the top spot of the majority of the benchmarks, at the same time (along with showing a 60% advantage in DP performance)!

 

[RussianSensation]

Nvidia France leak. Granted Vantage is irrelevant at this point.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Just out of curiosity, whos going to get one?

Im on the fence but might end up getting it.

If you need the computing power and you want to play games, then this card is actually a decent buy. This is the only reason why I'm still considering a 1k card, because at this moment at least, there is enough FP64 power for what I need it to do and as far as GPU capabilities go, there's no way it's not better than my current setup.

The thing that's nice about this is the fact that I won't have to buy a $3.5k tesla card on top of a $450-550 GPU

 

[RussianSensation]

If you need the computing power and you want to play games, then this card is actually a decent buy. This is the only reason why I'm still considering a 1k card, because at this moment at least, there is enough FP64 power for what I need it to do and as far as GPU capabilities go, there's no way it's not better than my current setup.

:thumbsup: Yup. It's effectively 10x faster than GTX680 in FP64 for just 2x the price. If you need DP and the programs you run won't work well on Tahiti XT, this card is a bargain vs. the K20/20X.

 

[hyrule4927]

Just curious . . . obviously Titan is a double precision monster, but how should single precision performance compare to a 680? Certainly not in my price range, but I'm was just wondering what kind of F@H performance we can expect from Titan.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Good read!
Well, 1) 7990 would overall be up to 20% FASTER than Titan for the price, GPU-scaling problems or not. (There is also a good number of Radeon Enthusiasts who would love to buy it.)
2) Power consumption does not matter to people who spend $1000.
3) It would definitely act as a very very huge and soft pillow cushioning Titan's impact, by immediately taking the top spot of the majority of the benchmarks, at the same time (along with showing a 60% advantage in DP performance)!

I disagree with your #2, I'm willing to spend a thousand dollars on this card but I am still power conscious. I like to keep control of how much juice my PC uses up

 

[wand3r3r]

I have never in all my years here seen a thread grow this fast.
And mostly full of useless posts to, like this one.

This thread is the only new thing to happen in about half a year or more, and potentially the only high end card this year or at least in the next 6 months. Lots of bored people / enthusiasts.

Just for comparison:
The 7000 series speculation thread was pretty long as well (1800+ posts) but got locked for trolling. The 680 release was about 2/3 of that. I guess we have been waiting for something high end such as the 580 successor, to bad it's been priced out of that category ($550-600).

 

[RussianSensation]

Just curious . . . obviously Titan is a double precision monster, but how should single precision performance compare to a 680? Certainly not in my price range, but I'm was just wondering what kind of F@H performance we can expect from Titan.

The calculations are pretty easy to make every generation once you learn the simple formula. Modern GPU architectures can do 2 floating point operations per clock cycle. The rest is just GPU clock speed x # of Shaders/Cuda cores/Stream Processors

Single Precision

Titan = 876 mhz x 2688 x 2 Ops/clock = 4.72 Tflops (+45%)
680 = 1058mhz x 1536 x 2 Ops/clock = 3.25 Tflops

Titan @ 1176mhz = 6.32 Tflops
GTX690 @ 1019mhz = 6.26 Tflops

To get double precision, you just need the FP64 multiplier, except in Titan's case also revise the GPU clock since it drops to 725mhz in FP64.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Your list sounds like marketing on some points. Maybe?

I guess, it wasn't my intention!

I've seen members here create full page ads for amd products and nobody cared.

I was just trying to list pros and cons for the card.



@RS If amd can't offer a similar solution I can only uae what they have used for the card in the past.




Sorry typing on a phone, we just moved into a new house no internet until tomorrow

 

[Whitestar127]

I don't get it. Should I get it? Probably something stupid.

I don't get it either, if that's any comfort.
Ignore-worthy.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Would any of you be surprised if NV releases a cut-down 13 SMX version with 3GB of RAM, and call it GTX 780 - a couple months later on?

I'm thinking the other way...a 15 x SMX version later down the road.