GeForce Titan coming end of February

[3DVagabond]

Let the ones who want to spend $900 on a GPU buy it. I may not do the same thing but if people are willing to buy it, then that is what they'll get. A company would gladly produce products that sell. As for it not being a good value in terms of performance per dollar, that is for the consumer who buys it to decide. If people don't spend $900 or whatever the amount is on this card, then that will send a signal to the company. If they buy it, then maybe we will see $1200 cards. In the end, it all lies with the consumer as does everything else.

The concern I have is that will allow the escalation of price for performance levels below Titan.

 

[lavaheadache]

Should we start counting the times poster "X" posts the name of an AMD card?

I say ~50 times.

We could also probably start counting the number of members you fight with about this stuff

 

[notty22]

Nice piece of disinformation...but utterly flawed:

http://www.olcf.ornl.gov/titan/

Thats 18,688 GK110 GPU's right there.

You are still going to stick with 10.000 GK110's now?
Alongside "GK100"?

I need to make a list now:

- Uses none-exsistant hardware as "argument"
- Uses false numbers.

Care to add more?

It's another wall and another history lesson based on wishful thinking. For all we know , before the layoffs and firings and engineers leaving. AMD got test silicon back (on a 28 refresh) that utterly failed when they powered it up. So now they wave the white flag and viral war how they are happy running with a gpu that launched in 12/2011 to 2014. Now let's all repeat that over and over, and it might be true. LOL

 

[The Alias]

Titan in a nutshell :
only 30-40% more powerful than a 7970 @ 1ghz
costs two and a half times as much as a 7970 @ 1ghz
gives Nvidia single gpu crown again .

Now let me explain why Titan is a bust .

I've had every single 7970 matrix i've had (3) hit 1300mhz or more. I've had 2 sapphire vapor-x's hit 1250, the second hit 1315 . B the memory fix is coming wh tbh I'm expecting is gonna boost performance in a lot of games by a large amount . So when that happens, the 1350,1250 esque 7970 cards are all gonna be nipping at the heels of Titan which is still compute challenged afaik and THEN gonna make Titan seem even more overpriced


the reason I think the memory rewrite is gonna make such a huge improvement is because gcn cards take a huge, uncharacteristic drop in performance when games use deferred rendering msaa . such as crysis 2, crysis 3 pre 13.2, bf3 pre 12.11, and tws2 and I think the mem fix will help immensely

 

[Lonbjerg]

The concern I have is that will allow the escalation of price for performance levels below Titan.

You talk like prices are soley being dictacted by companies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization

Let's get some sanity back in this thread.

 

[RussianSensation]

Are you saying that the card will be available to buy before reviews go up or are you saying that it will be a soft launch?

Meant to say paper launch tomorrow.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

So you think it's running hotter, but at lower fan RPM?

More that the card will undervolt to keep acoustics under control. If this is the case I wonder how much control over voltage users will have. None of the slides so far have screamed unlocked voltage control.

 

[lavaheadache]

Meant to say paper launch tomorrow.

that is what I meant

 

[Lonbjerg]

More that the card will undervolt to keep acoustics under control. If this is the case I wonder how much control over voltage users will have. None of the slides so far have screamed unlocked voltage control.

Really?

Floating around today for all of those planning on water:

Was put up by expertreviews then taken down. Also saw it on another site.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

More that the card will undervolt to keep acoustics under control. If this is the case I wonder how much control over voltage users will have. None of the slides so far have screamed unlocked voltage control.

RS posted this one, but I don't what it means exactly.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

RS posted this one, but who knows if it's legit or not.

GPU max voltage is likely similar to powertune for amd cards. It will probably allow the GPU to boost longer before throttling.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Before you all bash this new card, just remember that we haven't gotten very much in the way of benchmarks, and nothing in the way of reliable benchmarks (I don't call what has been posted so far as reliable).

All that aside, I still want to buy this over my CFX 6870s, I'm tired of having a terribly low vram cap

 

[RussianSensation]

Nice piece of disinformation...but utterly flawed:

http://www.olcf.ornl.gov/titan/

Thats 18,688 GK110 GPU's right there.

Stop derailing the thread. Go spend 2-3 hours on the net looking for NV's comments and articles. NV had a backlog of 150,000 Tesla orders and it took them until fall to begin delivering them to corporate clients. Even by Sept 11th, NV still had not fulfilled its obligations to Oak Ridge. 20K GK110 delivered to Oak Ridge by Nov is nothing. You know how many units NV launched with worldwide with GTX280/480/580? If NV has 10K extra GK110s just sitting around, they would have never let their corporate clients place orders in March-April 2012 and wait until September-November to start getting them. Don't bother debating if don't read what's being stated explicitly. GK110 as a consumer GeForce card in 2012 was not possible without laughable quantities (maybe 1000 units as a marketing stunt) either financially or from a supply-chain perspective. NV couldn't even launch sub-$300 desktop GPUs alongside GTX670/680 since they were wafer constrained. NV scrapping together 10K units of K20X as GeForce Titan by Feb 2013 provides more support that a mass worldwide launch of GK110 chips is still not possible, for now.

 

[Zanovar]

Titan in a nutshell :
only 30-40% more powerful than a 7970 @ 1ghz
costs two and a half times as much as a 7970 @ 1ghz
gives Nvidia single gpu crown again .

Now let me explain why Titan is a bust .

I've had every single 7970 matrix i've had (3) hit 1300mhz or more. I've had 2 sapphire vapor-x's hit 1250, the second hit 1315 . B the memory fix is coming wh tbh I'm expecting is gonna boost performance in a lot of games by a large amount . So when that happens, the 1350,1250 esque 7970 cards are all gonna be nipping at the heels of Titan which is still compute challenged afaik and THEN gonna make Titan seem even more overpriced

I think peeps will be overclocking the Titan also .

 

[Grooveriding]

Titan in a nutshell :
only 30-40% more powerful than a 7970 @ 1ghz
costs two and a half times as much as a 7970 @ 1ghz
gives Nvidia single gpu crown again .

Now let me explain why Titan is a bust .

I've had every single 7970 matrix i've had (3) hit 1300mhz or more. I've had 2 sapphire vapor-x's hit 1250, the second hit 1315 . B the memory fix is coming wh tbh I'm expecting is gonna boost performance in a lot of games by a large amount . So when that happens, the 1350,1250 esque 7970 cards are all gonna be nipping at the heels of Titan which is still compute challenged afaik and THEN gonna make Titan seem even more overpriced

I don't think you can call Titan a failure, just massively overpriced. You are over-estimating it's performance though I think. Per nvidia's own slide single-gpu performance is 25% that of a 680, so that would make it about 20% faster than a 7970GE.

I don't see Titan playing too much into the 7970GE market. A card 125% more expensive for 20% more performance.. Not too disruptive at all. Certainly not a failure though, Titan is sure to have some overclocking headroom and will maintain that performance edge over a 7970GE no matter how much you overclock both of them.

The performance is good, nowhere near the 50% over a 680 rumours, I think we'll only see something close to that in older games that hammer memory bandwidth where GTX680 performs poorly; Metro 2033, Crysis 1/Warhead etc.

The price is just broken though considering the performance is nowhere near groundbreaking and just in line with where GTX 680 should of been.

 

[SolMiester]

Titan in a nutshell :
only 30-40% more powerful than a 7970 @ 1ghz
costs two and a half times as much as a 7970 @ 1ghz
gives Nvidia single gpu crown again .

Now let me explain why Titan is a bust .

I've had every single 7970 matrix i've had (3) hit 1300mhz or more. I've had 2 sapphire vapor-x's hit 1250, the second hit 1315 . B the memory fix is coming wh tbh I'm expecting is gonna boost performance in a lot of games by a large amount . So when that happens, the 1350,1250 esque 7970 cards are all gonna be nipping at the heels of Titan which is still compute challenged afaik and THEN gonna make Titan seem even more overpriced

A)- We really dont have perf figures yet so stating 30-40% could be wishful thinking
B)- 7970 is still getting fixes?
c)- You dont think Titan will overclock even after leaked slides showing 2 stage boost?
D)- Still repeating the overpriced line.....I wonder if that sentiment concerns people with 6 core i7s?, or even Ares II owners?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Stop derailing the thread. Go spend 2-3 hours on the net looking for NV's comments and articles. NV had a backlog of 150,000 Tesla orders and it took them until late fall to begin delivering them to corporate clients. 20K GK110 delivered to Oak Ridge is nothing. You know how many units NV launched with worldwide with GTX280/480/580? Don't bother debating if you can't read what I am saying. GK110 as a consumer card in 2012 was not possible (maybe 1000 units as a marketing stunt). NV scrapping together 10K units of K20X as GeForce Titan by Feb 2013 supports this fact. NV couldn't even launch sub-$300 desktop GPUs since they were wafer constrained.

lol at the first sentence.

Nvidia sold more GK110's to workstations than any other workstation card since they created the workstation market... Being successful has it's own downsides!

They also delivered those cards several months ahead of schedule, just something to keep in mind.

Fact? You're so good about sources, where are the ones for this one?

Yeah that can happen with you massively gain market share in all sectors and sell more workstation cards in one generation than all others combine... Sucks being successful!

 

[3DVagabond]

You talk like prices are soley being dictacted by companies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization

Let's get some sanity back in this thread.

So you don't think if this launch is successful the companies will raise pricing across the board next round?

This is a great experiment, and so far it's likely going even better than nVidia thought it would. If I were them I'd release it at a cool grand.

 

[RussianSensation]

Looking forward to Tri-SLI benchmarks making Quad-SLI GTX690 look bad. :biggrin:

 

[raildogg]

So you don't think if this launch is successful the companies will raise pricing across the board next round?

This is a great experiment, and so far it's likely going even better than nVidia thought it would. If I were them I'd release it at a cool grand.

This is what people deserve if they buy such products. They decide with their actions (by spending money). A company won't release a product if people won't buy it.

I think all products are priced right in that it is the consumer's own decision. No one is forced to buy. If an item is overpriced, it will either be removed or the price will be reduced if it does not sell. If this Titan sells out in two days then why would Nvidia not release higher priced products. I understand it is a limited time item but if it were not, it probably will not have made a big difference in how much it sold.

A good example is laptops. People wanted cheaper laptops and that is what happened.

In the end, companies bring products that consumers want (or they think they want).

So please don't blame Nvidia or AMD or any other company. They are only giving people what they want.

 

[3DVagabond]

This is what people deserve if they buy such products. They decide with their actions (by spending money). A company won't release a product if people won't buy it.

I think all products are priced right in that it is the consumer's own decision. No one is forced to buy. If an item is overpriced, it will either be removed or the price will be reduced if it does not sell. If this Titan sells out in two days then why would Nvidia not release higher priced products. I understand it is a limited time item but if it were not, it probably will not have made a big difference in how much it sold.

A good example is laptops. People wanted cheaper laptops and that is what happened.

In the end, companies bring products that consumers want (or they think they want).

So please don't blame Nvidia or AMD or any other company. They are only giving people what they want.

I'm not blaming the companies. I am blaming the consumers who are sitting here going, "Gimme 2". They should be calling nVidia on this and saying, "Do the letters FO mean anything to ya?"

 

[SirPauly]

This is a great experiment

I agree! Their engineering prowess has placed them to have this advantage and very curious myself how the market may react!

 

[rgallant]

I thought that too

should be named Titan F5

 

[Lonbjerg]

Stop derailing the thread. Go spend 2-3 hours on the net looking for NV's comments and articles. NV had a backlog of 150,000 Tesla orders and it took them until late fall to begin delivering them to corporate clients. 20K GK110 delivered to Oak Ridge is nothing. You know how many units NV launched with worldwide with GTX280/480/580? Don't bother debating if you can't read what I am saying. GK110 as a consumer card in 2012 was not possible (maybe 1000 units as a marketing stunt). NV scrapping together 10K units of K20X as GeForce Titan by Feb 2013 supports this fact. NV couldn't even launch sub-$300 desktop GPUs since they were wafer constrained.

So the +16K GK110's delivered in OCT 2012 is "nothing" now?
NVIDIA's cash cow (per unit) is their Tesla line.
Guess where a smart buisness ships the first units...when we are talking orders of thousands of units the most powerfull GPU ever.

You can't invent all the GPU's you want too and fiddle with numbers all you want too.

But the facts are:
Titan(GK110) is comming to the consumerspace and it's the most powerfull GPU ever.

And as always, with the king of the hill:
It's price will be irrelevant, the bulk of buyers will go for a lesser GPU anyways....it's performance is all that matters.

For the halo effect...and for actual buyers.

A little helpfull hint for you:

The buyers of Titan don't care about perf/price...perf/watt...or if it has a backplate or not or if raindears were shaved bald in the making of the GPU....it's all about "the powah!"

 

[raildogg]

I'm not blaming the companies. I am blaming the consumers who are sitting here going, "Gimme 2". They should be calling nVidia on this and saying, "Do the letters FO mean anything to ya?"

Yes, I was speaking generally Good points, though their actions might get the point across stronger.