GeForce Titan coming end of February

[BallaTheFeared]

Curious how Titan will handle PhysX content!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c

 

[SolMiester]

If it makes you feel any better right now I'm probably going to go haswell + 7950...

But I'd be lying if there wasn't a part of me that wasn't thinking.. Well if I get Titan now, then sell a few parts like monitors and water cooling... I could get haswell too :awe:

There is just something about the monster GPU, with high performance and what appears to be a wealth of OC headroom laying dormant that really pulls on my heart strings.

Sucks working within a fixed budget! :$

Whats the big deal about Haswell, surely you game more than compute?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Whats the big deal about Haswell, surely you game more than compute?

I was under the impression that AVX2 would provide benefits to games, is that not the case?

 

[RussianSensation]

Curious how Titan will handle PhysX content!

I'd rather see developers leverage the extra processing power to start pushing more realistic lighting techniques and real-time skin rendering. More advanced lighting would impact the entire scene, not just debris physics. Any efforts towards more realistic HDR, high quality bloom, depth of field, film grain, tone mapping, ultra high quality models, parametrization maps, high quality shadow maps and a higher quality antialiasing solutions (not post-processed AA filters) will go a long way towards making games appear more realistic. And since this won't be proprietary, the entire industry would benefit from this development.

http://vimeo.com/36048029

 

[Mars999]

I was under the impression that AVX2 would provide benefits to games, is that not the case?

Yes it will, but needs to be recoded for it... So need to wait for engines to be updated for it.

I have seen demos of AVX vs. SSE vs. FPU and AVX is huge FPS increase on IGP graphics even.... when used for various rendering techniques.

 

[OCGuy]

How long are you going to stick with that idiotic "you're just too poor" BS? I'm just curious. Many of us here who've expressed negative opinions about price have GPU setups that meet or exceed Titans rumored price. Not having enough money is based on what, exactly? Sounds like some last ditch, I've got no actual opinion, I have more money than you so ha ha! simpleton mentality .

When you can respond to my whole post instead of just picking out one part to attack, let me know.

Fact is, nV can charge $10,000.00 for the GPU, because it has no competition. If everyone laughs them off and there is dust collecting on the boxes and EVGA threatens to fold up shop, or if AMD suddenly comes out with a GPU that is close and it only costs $699......the market will adjust the price downward.

The people who purchase 7990s, 690s, Titans, etc, are a very small percetage of the world. The people who seem outraged at performance or price, far outnumber the people who can actually get one without mommy's CC or missing a car payment.

I really think Apple products are priced too high for what you get. But I certainly don't spend hours reading the Apple forums and laughing at everyone. I may state my opinion, leave, and then not purchase the product.

AMD is broke. AMD is sinking. AMD is the reason that Intel can charge $1k plus for a 100mhz adjustment over a $550 CPU and label it "Extreme!" and people still buy it.

The enemies of AMD are not Intel and nVidia. AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.

Everything was great when GTX280 launched high and AMD smacked it down to reality. That is what it is all about. But you know what, that GTX280 was worth $649, and people happily paid it, until proven otherwise. Once the 4XXX hit...it was $499 over-night.

AMD is the cause of a slowed Intel roadmap. AMD is part of the cause of whatever Titan MSRP is.

If Titan is over-priced on its own merit, then the market will speak and it will drop. If it is over-priced but there are so few that they are bought up anyway, then the person who determined the MSRP should get a bonus and promotion for maximizing ROI.


I know this will be glossed over and forgoten, and will still hear how it is only XX% faster than 4 GTX660s on a 1080p screen and can't mine bitcoins for SilkRoad.....but the people actually buying this card tune that stuff out anyway.

 

[SolMiester]

I was under the impression that AVX2 would provide benefits to games, is that not the case?

What?, more so than a better GPU

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The enemies of AMD are not Intel and nVidia. AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.

I'd actually go one step further, and say AMD's greatest enemy is their customers who flocked to their "budget" strategy.

But I'm one of them, Nvidia barely made a buck off my 470 purchases, so don't turn this into me attacking anyone!

Anyways, more to the point, AMD said in their press release that they sold more 79xx cards in January than all previous months combined, it took the 7950 to get down below $300, and a game bundle for AMD to move a card that was as good if not better than the 670.

One thing that might have played into that was AMD's addressing of some of the stuttering issues with their cards, but that's unlikely since the problem wasn't even exposed until a few months ago.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I'd actually go one step further, and say AMD's greatest enemy is their customers who flocked to their "budget" strategy.

But I'm one of them, Nvidia barely made a buck off my 470 purchases, so don't turn this into me attacking anyone!

Anyways, more to the point, AMD said in their press release that they sold more 79xx cards in January than all previous months combined, it took the 7950 to get down below $300, and a game bundle for AMD to move a card that was as good if not better than the 670.

One thing that might have played into that was AMD's addressing of some of the stuttering issues with their cards, but that's unlikely since the problem wasn't even exposed until a few months ago.

I think more important than marketshare for AMD is mindshare at this point. Selling the 7000 series with these bundles will go a long way toward putting to rest the bad press surrounding AMD's GPU's in a lot of uninformed minds. Get the GPU's into the hands of the gamer's they will start changing their perception of the brands.

Of course Nvidia's Titan will also have an effect on mindshare to a lot of prospective buyers also.

 

[badb0y]

AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.

Single most idiotic statement posted in this thread, can't believe you outdid your other idiotic statement.

AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.....I don't even know what the means because it's such a paradox. AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition yet they are the only ones who provide competition on the CPU and GPU market? So it is because AMD exists that the market is the way it is and we would be better of if AMD died? That's like some Stockholm syndrome shit going on lol.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

He's saying in GPU's and CPU's AMD is failing to keep Intel and Nvidia honest.

Meaning their products are only good enough to compete at lower price points, allowing both Intel and Nvidia to sell "Extreme"ly overpriced hardware because AMD can't compete in the upper markets.

 

[Grooveriding]

Single most idiotic statement posted in this thread, can't believe you outdid your other idiotic statement.

AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.....I don't even know what the means because it's such a paradox. AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition yet they are the only ones who provide competition on the CPU and GPU market? So it is because AMD exists that the market is the way it is and we would be better of if AMD died? That's like some Stockholm syndrome shit going on lol.

He's just trolling, has been for most of his posts in the thread. Don't feed.

 

[Haserath]

Anyways, more to the point, AMD said in their press release that they sold more 79xx cards in January than all previous months combined, it took the 7950 to get down below $300, and a game bundle for AMD to move a card that was as good if not better than the 670.

They doubled their 79xx cards?! What?!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They doubled their 79xx cards?! What?!

Doubled? No, sold more 79xx cards in 1 month than the prior 12 combined is how I understood it.

 

[3DVagabond]

Anyways, more to the point, AMD said in their press release that they sold more 79xx cards in January than all previous months combined, it took the 7950 to get down below $300, and a game bundle for AMD to move a card that was as good if not better than the 670.

I think they said it was their best month for 7900 sales. Not better than all other months combined. Maybe I misread?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maybe I misread :hmm:

Seems almost impossible when I think about it!

To the bat cave!

 

[Hitman928]

They doubled their 79xx cards?! What?!

Doubled? No, sold more 79xx cards in 1 month than the prior 12 combined is how I understood it.

Which would lead to essentially doubling the amount sold up to that point.

Anyway, it wasn't prior 12 combined, it was the best month compared against all the previous individual monthly sales numbers (not aggregate).

 

[badb0y]

Which would lead to essentially doubling the amount sold up to that point.

Anyway, it wasn't prior 12 combined, it was the best month compared against all the previous individual monthly sales numbers (not aggregate).

Yea, that's the way I understood it as well. They also said they haven't "peeked" yet which would mean it has sold more every month compared the one prior.

Anyways that's OT let's get back to Titan.

 

[OCGuy]

Single most idiotic statement posted in this thread, can't believe you outdid your other idiotic statement.

That's like some Stockholm syndrome shit going on lol.

Other than the Ad Hominem attack that I am sure will start being infracted in the launch thread, the rest of your post only shows your lack of reading comprehension and understanding of what "Stockholm Syndrome" actually means. Please at least Wiki a phrase that you just heard somewhere before trying to crow-bar it into an unapplicable statement.

Unfortunately the last few replies to my post are common. Pick out one line, attack it, and that discredits the rest of my statement.

I have been around long enough to not fall into that trap. If Titan sells for 11 months at $899 without competition from the only other discreet source (AMD), then yes, AMD is partly to blame, for not bringing anything to counter.

He's saying in GPU's and CPU's AMD is failing to keep Intel and Nvidia honest.

Meaning their products are only good enough to compete at lower price points, allowing both Intel and Nvidia to sell "Extreme"ly overpriced hardware because AMD can't compete in the upper markets.

This person understood my post.

He's just trolling, has been for most of his posts in the thread. Don't feed.

This person yet again attacked me personally instead of refuting anything I said, which was not emotional, more than 2 sentences, and left open a window for someone to prove me wrong if they had the ability to do so.

I know there are AMD people on this forum who can actually have an interesting debate......hopefully they show up soon.

 

[Shmee]

Lets keep the comments on topic, and refrain from attacks or member call-outs. thanks,

Moderator Shmee

 

[RussianSensation]

The enemies of AMD are not Intel and nVidia.

Who are they? Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, Texas Instruments, ARM?

AMD is the enemy of consumers who want competition.

What does this statement even mean? Without AMD, prices would be even higher and progress even worse following your own logic. If you say NV/Intel have slowed progress and raised prices because of less than competitive AMD, then what would happen if AMD disappeared completely?

Think about what you are even typing.

People purchased Pentium 3s and Pentium 4s and Pentium Ds when Athlon XP+/Athlon 64s and Athlon X2s smacked them around for less $. Even back then Intel sold ridiculously overpriced Intel EE CPUs. There were plenty of Intel fanboys rolling around buying Pentium 4 EEs for e-Peen on our forums and kept throwing video encoding/rendering benchmarks at us gamers. Even back then the average consumer had no clue and purchased Pentium 4s/Ds over A64/X2s. :hmm:

Everything was great when GTX280 launched high and AMD smacked it down to reality. That is what it is all about. But you know what, that GTX280 was worth $649, and people happily paid it, until proven otherwise. Once the 4XXX hit...it was $499 over-night.

Depends on how you look at it, HD7970 smacks the Titan back to reality even more than 4870 did with the 280.

$499 GTX280 was just 18% faster than a $299 HD4870 for a 67% increase in price. That means the consumer paid $11.11 for each 1% increase in performance to go to the GTX280. In aggregate though the total price increase here was $200.

$499 GTX480 was just 15% faster than a $369 HD5870 for a 35% increase in price. That means the consumer paid $8.67 for each 1% increase in performance to go to the 580. In aggregate, this was a $130 price increase.

$499 GTX580 was 15% faster than a $369 HD6970 for a 35% increase in price. That means the consumer paid $8.67 for each 1% increase in performance to go to the 580. In aggregate, this was a $130 price increase.

$899 Titan is rumored to be 45% faster than $380 1Ghz HD7970 for a 137% increase in price. That means the consumer will pay $11.56 for each 1% increase in performance to go to the Titan. In aggregate, the total price increase here is $520.

NV went back to insanely overpriced premiums in % terms for each 1% increase in performance like the infamous GTX280 (which was the biggest rip-off in GPUs in a long time as GTX275/4890 delivered that level of performance for $260 just 9 months later). People were "happily paying $649 for the 280?" Is this a joke? NV had to give people rebates after ripping them off so badly that they felt bad. Big difference is that today's GPU consumers are now willing to pay more money for graphics cards on an aggregate basis and NV realized it even more so than AMD. More people are willing to pay $900 for flagship cards instead of $500 and $400-500 for mid-range chips instead of $250-300. Both companies are equally responsible for raising prices on us but NV is really pushing it into the stratosphere like those 280 days. Let's not start putting the blame squarely on AMD now.

The Titan is the MOST overpriced single GPU card of all in at least 5 years. Still blaming AMD, huh?

If Titan is over-priced on its own merit, then the market will speak and it will drop.

The market has already spoken with GTX690. The value proposition AMD offers in % terms relative to NV is not any worse than from HD4870 days relative to NV flagship card, but the propensity for consumers to pay nearly double for flagship cards has changed. So what does NV do after selling GTX690 without problems? Keep those prices. Let's not start putting the blame on AMD solely here since there is no way NV could have pulled such a stunt unless people were willing to pay $11 for each 1% increase in performance like they did during GTX280 vs. 4870 days. It appears they are still willing.

AMD is the cause of a slowed Intel roadmap.

Intel's roadmap hasn't slowed only because of AMD. It's just as likely that Intel's strategy has shifted from focusing more on raw performance to performance/watt even more because majority of the world no longer cares about desktop CPUs or how fast they are. It's all about mobile/tablets/smartphones, not desktops. For most other folks Core 2 Duo is good enough. The only way Intel can stay relevant is to focus in performance/watt given existing consumer preferences.

AMD is part of the cause of whatever Titan MSRP is.

One can just the say the same regarding NV. It's NV that's responsible for not lowering the price of the Titan to $649-699 and forcing AMD back to $299 price level on the 7970. I think consumers are willing to pay more for GPUs than in the past. ASL are going up. NV is raising prices on a % basis for each 1% increase in performance to GTX280 levels, way higher than they charged with 480/580s against 5870/6970 because they tested the market with the 690 and it worked.

If it is over-priced but there are so few that they are bought up anyway, then the person who determined the MSRP should get a bonus and promotion for maximizing ROI.

The profits from Titan will be a rounding error on NV's financials. $9 million in sales spread across NV, AIBs, retailers/wholesalers. NV's gross margins are maybe 51-53% on chips, not on MSRP of retail cards. Therefore they are lucky to be making $3-4 million in profits on all those Titans. The card's purpose has 0 to do with making profits on it. It's about establishing new price levels for GPUs in the industry, strengthening NV's brand equity/GPU leadership, etc. Once AMD/NV raise prices on flagships over time, they can raise prices in every level from $100-500 by selling smaller/slower chips for more $ than they would have otherwise in the past. With the death of sub-$100 dGPU space, this has been the plan all along since it's a sure way to grow your profitability. Our wallets are asked to subsidizing the costs of 28nm wafers.

can't mine bitcoins for SilkRoad.....but the people actually buying this card tune that stuff out anyway.

Bitcoin mining was the only reasonable alternative to not get 'ripped off' by AMD/NV this round. Once bitcoin mining fails and if AMD/NV continue this trend of selling mid-range chips for $500 and flagships for $900-1K, we could end up with generally higher GPU prices. I don't think I am in the minority since other people are also voicing similar concerns. Good thing the GPU specs on PS4/720 look weak which probably means that $300 low-end 20nm and 14nm GPUs should max out console ports for years. :biggrin:

 

[Annisman*]

Russian, tell us how you really feel now.

 

[sensiballfeel]

such an excitable talk!the titan must be good or else lots of broken hearts here I think

 

[Annisman*]

You know what, I just want this thing released already, so I can buy two for SLI and call it a day. No, I don't care about the msrp, all I care is if it's more powerful than what I've got, I can afford it without filling for chapter eleven, and that it makes me breakfast every other Saturday morning. And that's the funny part about this thread, us clowns pulling the trigger on these badboys just don't have the mindset of the general consumer. I can sum up my feelings in one thought.

If Titan launched at 1500 msrp it would just make me want it even more.

Now try explaining that logic, you can't, so let's stop trying.

 

[2is]

eh nevermind... not even worth it...

Back on topic... Kind of.

SO I was playing Crysis 3 for the last hour+ and I'm not so anxious to upgrade anymore. My single 680 with a slight OC was handling the game quite well. It rarely dropped below 40fps and never below 30 with all settings on Very High. 2xMSAA, 8XAF, motion blur and lens flare off. 1920x1200