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GeForce GTX 590 at PAX 2011?

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notty22 said:
One way they can make a winner is to make a dual bios model. Call it the 'quiet' mode and 'enthusiast' / 'unlimited' mode.
Core speeds of 625mhz and 800mhz
The enthusiast clock speeds will let the card turn in at least equal performance to what AMD will offer. While dancing around power limitations.
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I think both the gtx590 and 6990 will have this feature or something like it..
 
Ah, where is silverforce when you need him. At least he went into detail when he was throwing claims around.
 
OCGuy said:
Par for the course around here. Instead of discussing the topic at hand (because they do not like the topic), they de-rail the thread with personal attacks.
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Is it really so one-sided? It's par for the course on forums in general for people to remain sceptical when someone claims "X, but X is under NDA so I can't offer proof", no?

I'm sceptical that it will be 2 580s on a single card, but I'm open to the prospect of being wrong. I don't recall anyone on this board saying "A dual gpu 5XX series card is impossible", I believe people were rather sceptical that it could be 2 580s on a single card. I could be wrong about this, too, but it's trivial to see how easy it would be to make a dual 560 card, no? So anyone who thought "dual gpu 500 series is impossible" was just being silly.

Regarding the card itself, it'll be interesting to see who launches first. I think that both ATI and Nvidia will release a dual GPU card, with ATI's being slower in some situations and therefore cheaper.
 
I hope that it is 2 580's. No reason not to make it so, and just let users overclock it accordingly. I think the main issue will be keeping temperatures in chec.

At any rate, either the 590 or the 6990 will be my next card. Ij ust hope they debut the same week so we can get some comparison reviews in. I would think the 6990 should be cheaper, as it will be 2 6970's. But demand may jack the prices upwards of $1,000.00
 
RaistlinZ said:
I hope that it is 2 580's. No reason not to make it so, and just let users overclock it accordingly. I think the main issue will be keeping temperatures in chec.

At any rate, either the 590 or the 6990 will be my next card. Ij ust hope they debut the same week so we can get some comparison reviews in. I would think the 6990 should be cheaper, as it will be 2 6970's. But demand may jack the prices upwards of $1,000.00
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That depends on how well they compete with each other. Last time around the 5970 had no competition so it's price was very unstable.
 
OCGuy said:
Par for the course around here. Instead of discussing the topic at hand (because they do not like the topic), they de-rail the thread with personal attacks.
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I don't think anyone doesn't like this topic, why would we? We had a poster tossing out claims about AMD's upcoming 6 series, Happy has been talking dual GPU Nvidia parts and even assigning them names (and I've seen him mention a GTX475 and I'm pretty sure a GTX485 in the past, too) for months now.

If Silverforce came on here and posted some Radeon 7xxx information, don't you think he would also catch some flack? Or how about a Semiaccurate.com story or Fudzilla.com story?
 
Aristotelian said:
Is it really so one-sided? It's par for the course on forums in general for people to remain sceptical when someone claims "X, but X is under NDA so I can't offer proof", no?

I'm sceptical that it will be 2 580s on a single card, but I'm open to the prospect of being wrong. I don't recall anyone on this board saying "A dual gpu 5XX series card is impossible", I believe people were rather sceptical that it could be 2 580s on a single card. I could be wrong about this, too, but it's trivial to see how easy it would be to make a dual 560 card, no? So anyone who thought "dual gpu 500 series is impossible" was just being silly.

Regarding the card itself, it'll be interesting to see who launches first. I think that both ATI and Nvidia will release a dual GPU card, with ATI's being slower in some situations and therefore cheaper.
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If nVidia offers a dual GPU sku, well, let's look at some past offerings, which use full cores, but clocked lower. Not necessarily a GTX 580, based on different clockings but the upside may be the over-clocking head room potential, but at the expense of higher power requirements.
 
SirPauly said:
If nVidia offers a dual GPU sku, well, let's look at some past offerings, which use full cores, but clocked lower. Not necessarily a GTX 580, based on different clockings but the upside may be the over-clocking head room potential, but at the expense of higher power requirements.
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GTX295 didn't use full cores, and the 9800GX2 used downclocked but full cores in a world where they weren't hitting the power cap.
AMD has always used downclocked full cores.

There's no reason to assume that NV would use full cores, since they haven't in the past.
 
Although people's assumptions about multi-GPU power consumption are generally wrong (you dont double the TDP for the 2nd card), there is no way it is 2x 580 cores. 2x 570 would be impressive to me, because that is basically 2x480s, which people said could never happen at Fermi launch.
 
Lonyo said:
GTX295 didn't use full cores, and the 9800GX2 used downclocked but full cores in a world where they weren't hitting the power cap.
AMD has always used downclocked full cores.

There's no reason to assume that NV would use full cores, since they haven't in the past.
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Wrong.

The gtx295 DID use all of it's cores, it had a cut down memory bus.
 
I still think it will be two 580 cores. 2 570 cores just leaves too much space for them to get owned by the 6990.
 
Lonyo said:
GTX295 didn't use full cores, and the 9800GX2 used downclocked but full cores in a world where they weren't hitting the power cap.
AMD has always used downclocked full cores.

There's no reason to assume that NV would use full cores, since they haven't in the past.
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I would disagree considering the GTX 295 used 240 cores per GPU.
 
Just stumbled across a launch review of the gtx 285+ 295, was looking for launch prices.
The gtx 285 was est. at 380 and the gtx 295 at 499.00
So that was a nice price compromise.

1 memory controller and it's rop's were disabled on each gpu :
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16229/2
What you get from the GTX 295 is not quite as much computing power as a pair of GeForce GTX 285 cards. All 240 stream processors are intact on each GPU, but one ROP partition is deactivated. As a result, each GPU can output 28 pixels per clock rather than 32, with a corresponding drop in antialiasing power. Also, because ROP partitions have memory controllers in 'em, each GPU has a 448-bit aggregate path to memory and 896MB of RAM instead of a full gigabyte. Many of these numbers will no doubt sound familiar if you know about the GeForce GTX 260, which also has one of its ROPs deactivated.
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SirPauly said:
Sure, but that wasn't the disagreement; the difference was on the amount of SP's.
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how does the 570 core have 512 sp's 😱

512sp is the 580.

And the 590 is suposed to be 2 570's.

So how does it have 1024 sp's on 570cores?


you know what lately im not impressed at all with nvidia's launch windows.
They like to stir the masses, and then make us wait by holding inventory until its too late.

And the ones remaining are the true nvidia lovers.

Believe me, if my last cards werent ATI, id be on ATI right now and not have suffered the understock bullshit i went though to get my 580's

the 590's are gonna be even more bullshit to pull inventory off of.
 
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aigomorla said:
how does the 570 core have 512 sp's 😱

512sp is the 580.

And the 590 is suposed to be 2 570's.

So how does it have 1024 sp's on 570cores?


you know what lately im not impressed at all with nvidia's launch windows.
They like to stir the masses, and then make us wait by holding inventory until its too late.

And the ones remaining are the true nvidia lovers.

Believe me, if my last cards werent ATI, id be on ATI right now and not have suffered the understock bullshit i went though to get my 580's

the 590's are gonna be even more bullshit to pull inventory off of.
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I think he is saying the gtx590 could have all the cores enabled and other things disabled, like the gtx295.

Know one really knows if it will be 2 full gtx580's or not, except the reviewers.

To be fair the 6990 has been stirring the masses for even longer.
 
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happy medium said:
To be fair the 6990 has been stirring the masses for even longer.
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dude seriously i would of gone with ATI again this round.

But as i said, i was just sick and tired of the driver issues they have vs nvidia.

And Nvidia has better gaming drivers for the games i play.
 
happy medium said:
I think he is saying the gtx590 could have all the cores enabled and other things disabled, like the gtx295.

Know one really knows if it will be 2 full gtx580's or not, except the reviewers.

To be fair the 6990 has been stirring the masses for even longer.
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"The Masses" have been waiting for a dual GPU nVidia card for a lot longer than they've been waiting for the 590. They haven't had a competitive dual GPU card for over a year now.
 
I wish it were 580's but since each one is 244 watts even with the power savings putting them on 1 PCB and downclocking them it won't be a 300 watt card. The memory would have to be lowered to 1280mb and downclocked as well. And it would need to be underrated by some clever power measuring schemes to get close as I don't believe TDP is double checked/monitored by any agency. But again the core speed would be less than 700.
 
SHAQ said:
I wish it were 580's but since each one is 244 watts even with the power savings putting them on 1 PCB and downclocking them it won't be a 300 watt card. The memory would have to be lowered to 1280mb and downclocked as well. And it would need to be underrated by some clever power measuring schemes to get close as I don't believe TDP is double checked/monitored by any agency. But again the core speed would be less than 700.
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Dual 580's could be downclocked until they were 300W. The difficult part is making it the fastest card on the planet, at 300W.
 
3DVagabond said:
Dual 580's could be downclocked until they were 300W. The difficult part is making it the fastest card on the planet, at 300W.
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We don't know much about either upcoming card, so it is hard to say that. My guess is that for most people it really wont matter which one you get, and that it will come down to pricing.

BTW I hope you and your family are OK (looking at your location).
 
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