GeForce GTX 460 / GTS 450 to Arrive in Early June

[MentalIlness]

http://en.expreview.com/2010/04/08/geforce-gtx-460-to-arrive-in-early-june/7014.html

NVIDIA is now working on a lower-end addition to its GeForce GTX400 series, and according to our reliable sources, the card will be branded as GeForce GTX 460.

The third Fermi-based consumer-class model will employ the P1025 reference PCB design, and feature 1GB of GDDR5 memory as well as 256-bit of memory interface. We have no idea yet about the amount of stream processors or frequencies.
Noteworthily, there won’t be a standard design of GeForce GTX460 – instead, the AICs have their own design rights. If things go well enough, the GeForce GTX 460 will make its debut on June 1st, with a similar price to Radeon HD 5850.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18390/34/

Nvidia's planned GTS 450 is rumoured to feature 192 shaders, while the GTX 470 has 448, so the new card should fit somewhere in between, which leaves a lot of room for speculation. We can only guesstimate that it will end up around 400 mark. (416, 384, take your pick. sub.ed.)

Nvidia will let partners mess around with the design, s a lot of non-reference cards can be expected.

 

[RussianSensation]

Yawn. Are they kidding us? 5xxx series came out in September of 2009. They plan to release the same generation on the NV side 10 months later? In the fall, a new generation of ATI will launch, likely helping to push 5850/70 prices down. NV lost this round. Time to do a re-spin and start over.

 

[Lonyo]

Yawn. Are they kidding us? 5xxx series came out in September of 2009. They plan to release the same generation on the NV side 10 months later? In the fall, a new generation of ATI will launch, likely helping to push 5850/70 prices down. NV lost this round. Time to do a re-spin and start over.

It's not really 10 months later since the HD57xx cards didn't come out in September. It's more like 8.5~9 assuming an early to mid June launch.


When the article says June 1 for an "introduction", does that mean we get introduced to the cards as a concept, reviewers get introduced to actual cards, or the cards get introduced to stores?

 

[AzN]

5850 price range? Would a GTX460 with half the SP, texture units and god knows what else compete with a 5850 that gives GTX470 run for it's money?

 

[Axon]

Yawn. Are they kidding us? 5xxx series came out in September of 2009. They plan to release the same generation on the NV side 10 months later? In the fall, a new generation of ATI will launch, likely helping to push 5850/70 prices down. NV lost this round. Time to do a re-spin and start over.

Agree. I'm not sure how these cards are going to pull me away from a 5850 or a 5870 if prices drop.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The card, designated GTX 460, will take on AMD's HD 5850 both in terms of price and performance. It will pack 1GB of GDDR5 memory on a 256-bit bus, but there is still no info on the possible clocks or the number of shaders.

I thought the GTX470 already competed with 5850... they are just about as fast as each other, only the 5850 uses much less power. Does Nvidia think that the GTX470 is a step above the 5850? Or is the GTX470 going away and the GTX460 replacing it? This just seems odd to me.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

5850 price range? Would a GTX460 with half the SP, texture units and god knows what else compete with a 5850 that gives GTX470 run for it's money?

That depends. This latest batch of news indicated GTX460 and that the 460 part will be a further cut-down GF100 part as opposed to a fully fledged GF104.

So considering how the GTX470 is generally beaten by the 5870, it has been priced below it. I would assume the same of a GTX460 vs. the 5850. Not a very legitimate strategy as ATI could drop their 5800s to prices to counter. The problem here is made quite clear when we throw around pricing ideas. $299 would put it at or under most all current 5850 prices...the problem there being the 5850 debuted @ $259, which would lead one to toy with the idea of a $249 price point for the 460 part. The latter pricing sounding a bit more reasonable for a 256SP, GTS 460 part.

The biggest concern for me here is that new rumor of the GTS450 being 192SP.

 

[OCGuy]

Yawn. Are they kidding us? 5xxx series came out in September of 2009. They plan to release the same generation on the NV side 10 months later? In the fall, a new generation of ATI will launch, likely helping to push 5850/70 prices down. NV lost this round. Time to do a re-spin and start over.

Next gen? Doubful.

Respin with maybe some higher clocks? Likely.

 

[RussianSensation]

Next gen? Doubful.

Respin with maybe some higher clocks? Likely.

I think it will be a lot more than a respin though. Southern Islands is supposed to incorporate parts from Northern Islands architecture. So I guess 1/2 generation between next. Either way, you would agree that if ATI launches 2-3 new derivatives, 5850 and 5870 will either have to be discontinued in the fall or prices on them will be lowered (esp considering by then they will be 1 year old GPUs)? Who is going to pay $400 USD for a 5870 in September of 2010?

 

[tviceman]

It sounds like the gtx 460 is bin of the GF100 chip, much in the same way that the hd5830 is to the 5850 and 5870.

I really doubt it'll have less than 256 shaders. My guess is that it'll be in the mid 300 range.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

If the 450 suddenly became a brand new 192SP part, then perhaps the 460 will end up fulfilling the same crappy role that was hoisted on the 5830 with the same crappy specs.

People are saying the 460 might get ~400SPs, but suppose they're actually the 256SP part we've been hearing about (NV probably has a teetering mountain of defective cores that need to be dealt with lest they fall and crush Jen Hsung). With pretty much half the chip deactivated they could probably recoup quite a bit of waste and save Jen's life.

 

[AzN]

That depends. This latest batch of news indicated GTX460 and that the 460 part will be a further cut-down GF100 part as opposed to a fully fledged GF104.

So considering how the GTX470 is generally beaten by the 5870, it has been priced below it. I would assume the same of a GTX460 vs. the 5850. Not a very legitimate strategy as ATI could drop their 5800s to prices to counter. The problem here is made quite clear when we throw around pricing ideas. $299 would put it at or under most all current 5850 prices...the problem there being the 5850 debuted @ $259, which would lead one to toy with the idea of a $249 price point for the 460 part. The latter pricing sounding a bit more reasonable for a 256SP, GTS 460 part.

The biggest concern for me here is that new rumor of the GTS450 being 192SP.

Aahh.. I thought they were making a GF104 to compete with 5850...

That makes sense. Kind of like a 5830.

So 256 bit bus..

It must be 32 ROP 416SP 52TMU card then or even a little smaller.

 

[yh125d]

When the article says June 1 for an "introduction", does that mean we get introduced to the cards as a concept, reviewers get introduced to actual cards, or the cards get introduced to stores?

Reminds me of that "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!!" They had at CEBIT or something back in feb, where they announced the announcement of the release to be march 26 or whatever which even turned out to not be a release even then, as cards are just now starting to show up



NV

 

[Grooveriding]

5850 is already in general faster by a bit than a 470, what do they hope to accomplish with these new cards if they come in at 5850's price point ?

I'd rather hear about their planned products to counter ATI's new chips end of this year, a dual-gpu single slot Fermi card is not even worth designing and selling with the new ATI cards coming, unless they can get it out in under three months. It's a given ATI will have a 6970/6870X2 whatever.

They need to refine GF100 and catch up quickly to ATI's design/release schedule, or they'll continue to lose sales and lag behind everytime ATI gets a six month headstart like they did with the 5XXX series.

 

[yh125d]

GTX470 is more like 5% faster I think than 5850, not slower

 

[OCGuy]

Yawn. Are they kidding us? 5xxx series came out in September of 2009. They plan to release the same generation on the NV side 10 months later? In the fall, a new generation of ATI will launch, likely helping to push 5850/70 prices down. NV lost this round. Time to do a re-spin and start over.

According to your theory, AMD should never release a processor, because anything they release has already been done earlier by Intel.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Aahh.. I thought they were making a GF104 to compete with 5850...

That makes sense. Kind of like a 5830.

So 256 bit bus..

It must be 32 ROP 416SP 52TMU card then or even a little smaller.

I'm not so sure they're making this card specifically to compete with anything, rather they're probably just trying to use GF100 chips that couldn't cut it as a 470 or 480.

Although it would make more sense to have a GF100 based GTX460 to compete with a 5850 as the rumored GF104 specs indicate GTX200 performance at best.

 

[tviceman]

5850 is already in general faster by a bit than a 470, what do they hope to accomplish with these new cards if they come in at 5850's price point ?

The 5850 is slower than the gtx470.

 

[toyota]

Aahh.. I thought they were making a GF104 to compete with 5850...

That makes sense. Kind of like a 5830.

So 256 bit bus..

It must be 32 ROP 416SP 52TMU card then or even a little smaller.

yes a gtx460 would likely have 416 or 384sp at worst.

 

[pmv]

The 5850 is slower than the gtx470.

But the 470 costs more than a 5870 and is slower than it.

Edit - OK I should add '...in this country'

 

[Grooveriding]

The 5850 is slower than the gtx470.

Looking at AT's review, I'm not seeing that consistently at all, I see a fair number of benches where the 5850 is faster, as well as a fair number of benches going to the 470.

That said, they can be called equal. Even at that point, who would buy one of these coming nv parts, slower than the 5850, for the same price ? As it is the 470 is a bad buy, considering the 5850 is cheaper and on par when averaging out the benchmarks.

That is one example of why I am disappointed in these nv cards and find them to be such a non-win.

If right now at this moment I still had my 2x 285s I would probably consider getting a pair of 480s, but at $500 it makes no sense, why not spend the extra $100 for 160-170% the performance of Fermi in a 5970 ? Contrast that vs spending $100 more for a Fermi to get 115% the performance of a 5870. Along with having a mini-furnace in my case, I have zero interest in putting two of these in my rig and having to spend another $500 on top of that to go with water cooling.

All this with a release six months after ATI's new cards. Considering video card life cycles are generally 1 year, and Fermi offers a nominal increase over the 5870 six months later, the card is a letdown. I'll stick with ATI for now, enjoy their upcoming new series later this year as it again puts the screws to NV. If Nvidia can catch up fast by the end of the year, I'll switch if they have something better.

That pretty much sums up the disaster that these new nv cards are.

 

[SolMiester]

I think the new gen Fermi handles tessellation better, plus has extra features over equal performance ATi card...Who is to know what the mid range cards will perform like...??

 

[Madcatatlas]

I think the new gen Fermi handles tessellation better, plus has extra features over equal performance ATi card...Who is to know what the mid range cards will perform like...??

Or when it will arrive...
I just had a laugh after doing my daily gpu forum round when visiting Semiaccurate.com

It seems the "rumor" of nVidia pushing bundle deals, where you have to order older geforce products to get new geforce products, have been confirmed.
the link: http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959&page=9

man i wish the google translator or whatever translator worked better than that.
I pity the suckers who end up buying last gen tech when this gens tech is superior.

 

[ronnn]

Good news competition for the 5850, that can be produced at reasonable cost. This has been a tough period for nvidia but the light is at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Blue Shift]

It seems the "rumor" of nVidia pushing bundle deals, where you have to order older geforce products to get new geforce products, have been confirmed.
the link: http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959&page=9

I don't want to read an article written by Charlie that claims to confirm an article written by Charlie. No, really.