[GeForce Forums] Nvidia has officially blocked 900M overclocking

[PC Master Race]

Personally I think Nvidia locking the gpu on a laptop is a better alternative than a complete noob overclocking and destroying their laptop. For me it is the lesser of two evils.

So it's ok for the noobs to wreck it for everyone else that knows how to use a computer ?

 

[octiceps]

Personally I think Nvidia locking the gpu on a laptop is a better alternative than a complete noob overclocking and destroying their laptop. For me it is the lesser of two evils.

You seriously think a "complete noob" goes out and spends thousands of dollars on a high-end gaming notebook with GeForce GTX 900M GPUs?!?

 

[chimaxi83]

There is to effects of segmentation - as here keeping the difference from 970m to 980m to two clearly seperate segment:

Profit maximization because you know a typical little segment will pay much for "little" in more objective terms - because their personal benefit is great because they value money less.

From a society perspective its also smart because - even for similar performance/functionality - rich people pay more. Try imagining you are selling strawberries at a market. If you see some rich tourist comming you give the price a notch, but when the local mama gets there you give some discount because else she will go elsewhere.
For a 980m its smart that the small benefit to a 970m goes to the few that can pay; you get a bigger revenue that can go into r&d and newer product. And in the end everyone wins. The "richer" that get the future 980 so to speak and the ones that get future 970.

Segmentation is not something wrong. It good.

The only problem here imo is it comes without warning. They were basicly selling a different product than what people got. There is no exuse for that. People accepting it by using their fantacy to produce whatever reasons, is just making sure we get treated bad next time also.

Segmentation is fine, but not AFTER you bought the product.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I doubt they do run cooler than my GTX660, but that is not the point. There is no space in a notebook chassis for much cooling. They more heat they generate, the bigger and louder the fan. Everything has limits. I dont see why you think you should know them better than the engineers who built them.
There are trade offs with notebooks, accept them!

Why do you bring desktop clocking into the equation? Sounds a bit immature to me!

Are you aware of the term called binning?
That is one point. Another is reduced voltage for the mobile core vs the desktop equivalent.

Another point is that OEMs design vbios to fit their notebook. The vbios contain a power limit. You can overclock your card anyway you want, but you are not getting past that power limit.
That power limit also limit what heat output you can have in a notebook.

Third, if OEMs are so concerned with heat, they make a system BIOS that block overclocking for that particular model if they feel the system can`t handle a user overclocking the GPU.

Nvidia shouldn`t be allowed to disable overclocking across all brands and notebooks, thin or thick.
I have an Alienware 18 which is almost 6cm in thickness. Believe me, my GPUs can be overclocked anyway I want without even touching 90C.
Same can be said about Asus G-series and MSI`s GT series and a bunch of Clevo machines.

And I don`t get why we have people like you defending Nvidia`s move like its their right to quietly remove a feature without even a word on it. This could be the start. Desktop GPUs could be next in line, because heat is just one part of the whole cake. They may disable overclocking for you guys too one year down the line claiming they "own" the GPUs, not you. That this is the specs they made for the GPU. "Deal with it."

You should support our case against Nvidia here by signing this
https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-re-enable-overclocking-on-geforce-equipped-notebooks?recruiter=20925400%3C/span%3E%3C/blockquote%3E

and go to the geforce thread and speak your opinion against Nvidia

 

[octiceps]

Segmentation is fine, but not AFTER you bought the product.

Exactly. This is false advertising/bait & switch, which is illegal!

ASUS GPU Tweak for Laptops

Please help by signing the petition: http://chn.ge/1F34mfS

 

[Pneumothorax]

Well that's fine. Their overclocking isn't disabled like the 900M notebooks that are!

Yup, for the few occasions that I still game on my rMBP 15, afterburner o/c helps my poor GT650M attain some decent frame rates.

 

[2is]

Heh, don`t call anyone who have been using gamer notebooks for almost 10 years and have extensive experience with notebooks wrong. I`ve overclocked pretty much all my mobile GPUs over the years, what have you to show for?

Here is a couple of hints:
Extremely few game with 95C on the GPU. These temps are for when you benchmark the GPUs to get the best score.
Secondly, nobody games on full massive overclock the entire time they are using the notebook.

Gamer notebooks, and I`m not talking about Macbooks or similar thin like designs, can easily do heavy overclocking without going in to 90s Celsius.Which you would know if you had any experience with said notebooks. Secondly, a +135MHz on the core won`t skyrocket the temperature in 99% of the notebooks.
Ooops, there goes your theory that you degrade the GPU over time since its well below any thresshold where you damage the GPU even with prolonged usage.
Once you start increasing voltage along with overclocks well above +135MHz, well then we are talking a different scenario. But voltage is locked on mobile GPUs. And again...if you have that unlocked, meaning using a modified vbios, you are doing it on your own risk.

Like I said if you actually took the time to read my post, OEMs should decide if their notebooks are capable of overclocking or not. They are the one designing the cooling and know what the notebook is capable of. Nvidia don`t, they just make the chip.
That way, the paper thin notebooks that are mostly for show and design can have their limit while beefier notebooks, like my Alienware 18, can have entirely different terms of dealing with overclocking.
This have always been the way before the newest drivers appeared. Taking away a feature thats been working for users for many many years, is bound to get them in a PR trouble. And rightfully so.

I`d like to see the whole gamer community blow up if Nvidia did this on desktop GPUs. "Because it`s Nvidia GPUs" according to your own words...

Wait... So you overclock just to run benchmarks and not to game? Why would the "gaming community" care then? If such an avid laptop gamer such as yourself doesn't even overclock when gaming and only to run benchmarks? I hope it's becoming clearer how your arguments fall apart.

My "theory" hardly falls apart since it's a fact that many laptops will throttle after extended periods of gaming even at DEFAULT clocks. The only thing you're proving here is that owning any number of gaming laptops doesn't equate to knowing what you're talking about.

Desktop GPU's don't have the same thermal handicap as laptop GPU's... Again, more proof that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Before this post it was limited to gaming laptops, now you apparently don't know the difference between mobile and desktop parts.

 

[MrK6]

What's all the fuss? Just vote with your wallet and don't buy their slow GPU's, how hard is that?

 

[Enigmoid]

Wait... So you overclock just to run benchmarks and not to game? Why would the "gaming community" care then? If such an avid laptop gamer such as yourself doesn't even overclock when gaming and only to run benchmarks? I hope it's becoming clearer how your arguments fall apart.

My "theory" hardly falls apart since it's a fact that many laptops will throttle after extended periods of gaming even at DEFAULT clocks. The only thing you're proving here is that owning any number of gaming laptops doesn't equate to knowing what you're talking about.

Desktop GPU's don't have the same thermal handicap as laptop GPU's... Again, more proof that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Before this post it was limited to gaming laptops, now you apparently don't know the difference between mobile and desktop parts.

I'm sorry, but high end maxwell generally does not throttle during gaming.

We are not talking about most laptops, we are talking about high end ones with 860m/965m/970m/980m.

 

[octiceps]

What's all the fuss? Just vote with your wallet and don't buy their slow GPU's, how hard is that?

There's no choice for people who need gaming notebooks. All the high-end 900M cards have OC turned off and AMD hasn't been competitive in 3 years, basically asleep at the wheel since the 7970M in 2012. It's ironic how Nvidia targeted its fastest cards but the slower ones are unaffected.

 

[tviceman]

There's no choice for people who need gaming notebooks. All the high-end 900M cards have OC turned off and AMD hasn't been competitive in 3 years, basically asleep at the wheel since the 7970M in 2012. It's ironic how Nvidia targeted its fastest cards but the slower ones are unaffected.

From my understanding the new driver disables overclocking on all mobile cards.

 

[octiceps]

From my understanding the new driver disables overclocking on all mobile cards.

For now it affects Maxwell mobile GPUs, which is all 900M and some 800M cards. Ridiculous as the 900M is a flagship product.

 

[Paul98]

Is there any word on the real reason they did this?

 

[loccothan]

"nGreedia the way it's meant to be gimped" and Milked
"nGreedia: Overclocking is a bug. Removed."
no Comments :-(
and yet...
still wating for R390X WC HBM ;-)

 

[octiceps]

Is there any word on the real reason they did this?

We're all still waiting...

 

[SPBHM]

if this affects all mobile GPUs it's probably also going to affect the Alienware steam box (not really one I know) thing with it's "custom" 860m ?

 

[octiceps]

if this affects all mobile GPUs it's probably also going to affect the Alienware steam box (not really one I know) thing with it's "custom" 860m ?

It most certainly does affect the Alienware Alpha with its Maxwell GTX 860M GPU. The Zotac ZBox has the same GPU and is also affected.

 

[krumme]

Good grief i am happy its not my laptop my temper could not stand it. Lol. I would literally break it.
Man there is nothing so great as the value and feeling of an overclock. Its the essence of enthusiasm. Take that and a lot fun goes away.

 

[tviceman]

Is there any word on the real reason they did this?

People on the Geforce forums are suspecting it's because of Dell / Alienware. But who knows.

 

[krumme]

People on the Geforce forums are suspecting it's because of Dell / Alienware. But who knows.

The story goes that in nv camp last month suddendly one monday:
OMFG who put the same gpu in the same laptop chassis and disabled some parts and renamed it 970M????
OMFG who put a slider in the control panel????
OMFG who adverticed it???
...
Its was Dell now they dont want it anymore
...
Ahh okey thats it then

 

[krumme]

Is there any word on the real reason they did this?

Like Intel k. Because there is no competition on the hardware level and because their brand is so strong most of their fans so to speak change to a 980 when they discover their 970 is 3.5GB. When there is no competition traditional segmentation goes beserk. In this business you can do it because entry barriers is so high it can take decades before competition arives or the market changes.

 

[SPBHM]

It most certainly does affect the Alienware Alpha with its Maxwell GTX 860M GPU. The Zotac ZBox has the same GPU and is also affected.

pretty stupid since the Alpha is not thermally or power limited with the stock i3 35W it comes with, and for example the Eurogamer review for the Alpha was entirely done with a small OC in mind, which is not possible with updated drivers now if confirmed... :thumbsdown:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-alienware-alpha-review

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

How does that have anything at all to do with my post? Please explain this to me.

If I remember rightly, this had more to do with NVidia lying about TDP, the industry as a whole switching to a new type of solder, and laptop manufacturers using cooling systems that weren't up to the task in the first place (partly because NVidia lied about TDP).

And laptops are designed around a certain tdp. Its not like a desktop card where you can tweak the cooling. The laptop is designed around a certain spec. Look at the xbox 360 as an example of a gpu running too hot.

 

[SPBHM]

And laptops are designed around a certain tdp. Its not like a desktop card where you can tweak the cooling. The laptop is designed around a certain spec. Look at the xbox 360 as an example of a gpu running too hot.

the xbox 360 problem was a lot more complex than just high temperature, it had to do with the transition to lead free solder

PC VGAs are also designed around a certain TDP.

both laptops and desktops should have some room for OC, obviously more on the desktop side... but as you can see in this topic a lot of users overclocked laptop GPUs with great success.

 

[nurturedhate]

both laptops and desktops should have some room for OC

If a company wants to produce a card that does not overclock from the factory that is perfectly fine and well within their right. That is not the issue here. The issue is that parts that were previously 100% able to be overclocked and even sold by some manufacturers advertising that ability have now had that feature removed. Not by the laptop manufacturer but by a component vendor. This is the issue and it is very very wrong.

How would people feel if Intel released new microcode that disabled overclocking on all K series chips? Still probably have people defending them...