Geforce 9800 GTX: Picture and specs

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JAG87

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: JAG87
you guys are retarded if you think this card is going to perform like an 8800GT or GTS. the 9600GT has only 64 shaders / 32 TMUs, while the GT has 112 shaders / 52 TMUs, and the GTS has 128 shaders / 64 TMUs

yet the 9600GT is practically on par with the 8800GT and not too far behind the GTS. imagine a card with 128 of the same shaders that the 9600GT has and 64 TMUs. I think we are looking at almost double the performance of an 8800GT. This is not the same core that's in the 8800GT and GTS.

and if this revised G92 core is going into the GX2 as well, boy thats going to be one heck of a card. up to 4 times faster than a stock 8800GT. my only grip is that quad SLI will probably suck donkey balls again, and that 2 GTXs in SLI will end up being the fastest graphics setup again.

anyone recall the 7900 series, sound familiar?


PS. I am still shaking my head at the 256 bit bus and 512 MB memory. all this graphics horsepower will probably get destroyed at high resolutions.


go read a few other threads before throwing out words like "you guys are retarded if..." YOU are retarded if you think that a g92 card with nearly identical specs to 8800gts 512 is going to magically destroy an 8800gtx. It will beat an 8800gtx at most resolutions in most situations, but at high resolution with AA/AF (the only reason to buy any of these over an 8800gt), the 8800gtx and ultra will still kick its ass.


well to put it delicately, I really hope you are wrong.

the blunt version of that is you better be fucking wrong, or I am going to sell my computer and buy a PS3...

lol ya ok :D :D :D


Originally posted by: newschool
JAG87 I want one of your 8800GTX when you gonna make the switch to the 9 series.


what's your offer? these are november 2006 EVGA 8800 GTXs black PCB mint condition. a collectors item.
 

djnsmith7

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If these specs & speculations are true, this card won't be able to run Crysis at max settings either. If that's the case, why the hell waste the resources to release this card? That doesn't make any business sense whatsoever to me.

These specs better change in a hurry, or there will be a lot of people avoiding the upgrade path of this 9xxx series.
 

bryanW1995

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I think that as it now appears to be, the 9800gtx's main advantage will be heat dissipation. That will obviously come into play in sli and, especially, tri-sli configurations. In spite of their protests to the contrary, nvidia is forcing us down a multi-gpu path almost as much as amd is. I just hope that both camps can keep us supplied with decent drivers...
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: n7


And I have no interest in Crossfire Combo Cards? or SLI Sandwiches?.

Agree with you on that, for sure!

If only crossfire & sli had a 100% success rate

I don't understand this reasoning, it appears some people just close their ears when it comes to Crossfire/SLI....I have a range of games that WORK and play great on my Crossfire setup (I'm sure apoppin will agree with his experience). I think this harps back to the Vista syndrome in when something works you don't get a flood of people onto forums saying 'everything is fine' as thats expected.....so you end up with a bunch of posts "x doesnt work....i think its SLI/Crossfire" when in most cases the problem can be correctly solved with accurate troubleshooting. Sure you could say 'well you're just saying if its good for you its good for everyone' I understand that, but I have helped build about 3 multi-GPU machines and all have worked fine so :confused:

absolutely

and QUIT bringing Crysis up as an example .. it is NOT optimized {PERIOD}

Do not expect Crysis to be a reliable benchmark for another year - at least with Vista and multi-GPU rigs ... look how BS FarCry was for its first year
- it is a buggy game ... or try to play the last chapter again and immagine it runs as well as the first half.

Until the CryTek devs *fix* it and optimize it, nvidia and AMD will be accused of 'cheating' as they do random hotfixes and patches as reported and as necessary.

There are plenty of examples of upcoming games which are DX10 and should bring any rig to its knees- which is what these 'next gen' cards will be judged upon. I was merely highlighting one thats out NOW, as I said earlier Fallout 3- then we have 08 games like Clear sky, Age of Conan, Alan Wake, Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 etc.

Don't forget, we have Hellgate: London *now* ... in 64bit Vista it runs a little better and looks WAY better in DX10 than in DX9 :p
... Crysis is not something we should necessarily predict the next gen of games by ... imo it is a 'playable tech demo' - a bit more demanding then even those forthcoming games you mention or they will suffer the same crisis in sales as Crysis - not that good.
 

error8

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Nvidia is doing exactly like AMD did with their X2's. The Athlon cpu's were great, but AMD didn't spent any cent in developing another cpu. When they did woke up, it was to late, Intel pretty much had the entire market with their core 2 duo. I see the same thing with Nvidia. They had so much success with the 8800 series that they now just sit down and smoke cigars and release only slight variations of the G92 gpu. But I believe that ATI doesn't smoke anymore, and something is cooking in the Canadian factories. Maybe, for the first time in years, Nvidia will have problems with ATI, and that should be such a good thing for us, the consumers. ;)
 

Rusin

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Originally posted by: error8
Nvidia is doing exactly like AMD did with their X2's. The Athlon cpu's were great, but AMD didn't spent any cent in developing another cpu. When they did woke up, it was to late, Intel pretty much had the entire market with their core 2 duo. I see the same thing with Nvidia. They had so much success with the 8800 series that they now just sit down and smoke cigars and release only slight variations of the G92 gpu. But I believe that ATI doesn't smoke anymore, and something is cooking in the Canadian factories. Maybe, for the first time in years, Nvidia will have problems with ATI, and that should be such a good thing for us, the consumers. ;)
I think that AMD's problem was that they first had K9 project (Would have been named K10 anyway for obvious reasons) going on for some time, but nothing came from that and project were ended. Then they couldn't make K10 work. Intel actually warned AMD (of course in some interview) that it's very hard to develope new CPU architecture with smaller process and Intel was right.

There's G100-project coming on. So far they haven't had bigger hurry with it.
 

taltamir

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Originally posted by: djnsmith7
If these specs & speculations are true, this card won't be able to run Crysis at max settings either. If that's the case, why the hell waste the resources to release this card? That doesn't make any business sense whatsoever to me.

These specs better change in a hurry, or there will be a lot of people avoiding the upgrade path of this 9xxx series.

I finished crysis a while ago, and then I deleted it and I will never play it again.
I played it from start to finish, why would I care how it performs with new cards?

If the new GTX offers smoother framerates then the 8800GTS 512MB in the various games I am currently playing, then its good in my book. I'll be selling mine on ebay (thank you XFX transferable lifetime warranty) and buying the 9800GTX.

Personally, crysis is the last game on my agenda.
 

Aberforth

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lately, you are all mistaken to think that future games are going to run better than Crysis....and you think Crysis is not optimized? It is optimized, has anyone blamed crappy driver that runs your hardware? No, many things go unoticed by an average geek.
 

error8

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That is a pathetic little score. Is quite near the 8800 GTS 512, but it cost much more then that. I wonder why would anybody buy this card!?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Aberforth
lately, you are all mistaken to think that future games are going to run better than Crysis....and you think Crysis is not optimized? It is optimized, has anyone blamed crappy driver that runs your hardware? No, many things go unoticed by an average geek.

BS

Crysis is NOTHING like the devs promised it .. it runs like sh!t on Vista 64 compared to Vista 32 compared to XP like their promise

It is not optimized for Quad Core like they promised

it does not run better with 4 gb or RAM than with 2 GB like they *promised*

Crysis is UNfinished and unoptimized
 

Aberforth

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Aberforth
lately, you are all mistaken to think that future games are going to run better than Crysis....and you think Crysis is not optimized? It is optimized, has anyone blamed crappy driver that runs your hardware? No, many things go unoticed by an average geek.

BS

Crysis is NOTHING like the devs promised it .. it runs like sh!t on Vista 64 compared to Vista 32 compared to XP like their promise

It is not optimized for Quad Core like they promised

it does not run better with 4 gb or RAM than with 2 GB like they *promised*

Crysis is UNfinished and unoptimized

Crysis never occupied more than 1500 MB memory. So it runs quite well if you have 2+ gb memory.

It is optimized for multi-core- you can notice this during explosions, wind, intense physics etc

Like I said, Nvidia driver sucks- they took almost a year to make stable drivers for DX10, most of these drivers were patched up dx9 drivers, dx10 driver should comply with windows driver model which is difficult to write. Also Nv underestimated the shader usage in dx10, I think some guy from nv confirmed this...so their GPU's are underpowered for crysis which has over 85,000 shaders.

Edit:

nv dx10 shader processing: http://imageupload.com/out.php/i77970_sdfcds.png
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Well, bad news for PC enthusiasts, good news for me. It means my $200 8800GT was a good investment.

not really.

you cant tri sli the 8800GT

you should be able to trisli the 9800GTX

If you guys are complaining about the price... wait for the GX2. :X

and it does matter on me if i can get trisli or not. i intend on running it on a 1080p HDTV for gaming and movies. thats 1920x1080 resolution here.
 

Tempered81

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Originally posted by: lopri
Yeah I get 13700 with an overclocked 8800 GT, with a dual-core.

i was getting 13975 with the same hardware as lopri. single 8800gt and dual core
 

Tempered81

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Aberforth
lately, you are all mistaken to think that future games are going to run better than Crysis....and you think Crysis is not optimized? It is optimized, has anyone blamed crappy driver that runs your hardware? No, many things go unoticed by an average geek.

BS

Crysis is NOTHING like the devs promised it .. it runs like sh!t on Vista 64 compared to Vista 32 compared to XP like their promise

It is not optimized for Quad Core like they promised

it does not run better with 4 gb or RAM than with 2 GB like they *promised*

Crysis is UNfinished and unoptimized

all that is true, crysis is the worst programming development ever next to windows ME. They should have hired the one level design genius at crytek responsible for all those awesome graphics and environments and stuck him on the infinity ward team developing call of duty 4.
 

djnsmith7

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Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: djnsmith7
If these specs & speculations are true, this card won't be able to run Crysis at max settings either. If that's the case, why the hell waste the resources to release this card? That doesn't make any business sense whatsoever to me.

These specs better change in a hurry, or there will be a lot of people avoiding the upgrade path of this 9xxx series.

I finished crysis a while ago, and then I deleted it and I will never play it again.
I played it from start to finish, why would I care how it performs with new cards?

If the new GTX offers smoother framerates then the 8800GTS 512MB in the various games I am currently playing, then its good in my book. I'll be selling mine on ebay (thank you XFX transferable lifetime warranty) and buying the 9800GTX.

Personally, crysis is the last game on my agenda.

I only referenced Crysis as a benchmark for upcoming games. If Crysis is any indication of what we can expect perfmormance wise moving forward, then we know what to expect from our graphics cards. Crysis isn't # 1 on my list either, but it's a good reference point for expectations. I'd rather set the expectation bar high & know I'm getting my money's worth in performance than to set it low & feel like the manufacturer threw us a bone & have it be a dog (7950GX2 ring a bell?).

The 9800GTX should offer a lot more than just smoother framerates than the 8800GTS 512, it should be a dominant card (at least 30-40% more performance than the current 8800GTX).
 

Quiksilver

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3DMark06 Scores for 9800GTX

Yep... disappointing the 9600GT scores higher in the same test with same settings. This series is going to bomb. (Sure I know its not a game but it should be able to outscore a 9600GT and it doesn't...)
 

JAG87

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If that 3dmark06 score is truthful of game performance too, boy oh boy they fucked up BIG TIME.

This is the chance for ATI to leave them in the dust, I hope the use it.
 

Quiksilver

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JAG, you still considering buying the 9800GTX's? cause at this point its just a 8800GTS 512 with a few minor bug fixes and an extra SLI connector.
 

Keysplayr

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Can someone locate a GPU-z screenshot of a 9800GX2? Curious about one particular thing.