"Geforce 7900 cards scarce but not rare"

[CKXP]

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/9742

Desai also pointed to the question of market share. NVIDIA sizes up the market by looking at past sales data for GPUs overall, and then draws up chip forecasts based on the share of that market it wants to capture. He claimed 7900 supply is on track with NVIDIA's forecasts, but cards are still difficult to keep in stock. Meanwhile, he suggested, the widespread availability of competing Radeon cards could be because the ATI products simply aren't selling very well in comparison. To bolster this argument, NVIDIA pointed out TigerDirect's top sellers list for video cards, which currently has the XFX GeForce 7900 GT at #3 and the Radeon X1900 XTX?the only ATI card in the top 10?at #6. NVIDIA suggested we check with online vendors to confirm the proportion of Radeon to GeForce sales.

We weren't able to get any e-tailers to go on record with proportional sales data on ATI and NVIDIA cards, but we did get a clear sense that the picture NVIDIA painted of the situation is fairly accurate. GeForce 7900 cards are outselling the ATI-based competition by well over four-to-one ratios at some online vendors, amazingly enough. The supply is substantial, too: shipments of 7900 cards are arriving on palettes and selling out within the space of a day or two?sometimes less. Vendors are not satisfied with the volumes of cards they are getting, of course; they would like more. But this is not a simple case of extended, persistent lack of product from NVIDIA and stellar supply from ATI. NVIDIA appears to be moving many more high-end GeForces through e-tail than ATI is high-end Radeons

 

[RobertR1]

I believe it. Ati is absolutely pitiful at marketing.

 

[Ackmed]

Zero hard numbers, so basically its just his opinion? I dont doubt NV sells more cards, but I really doubt newegg is selling four times as many 7900GTX than they are X1900's.

NV needs some PR after the Oblivion results and news... ?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Zero hard numbers, so basically its just his opinion? I dont doubt NV sells more cards, but I really doubt newegg is selling four times as many 7900GTX than they are X1900's.

NV needs some PR after the Oblivion results and news... ?

You mean the guy is lying?

 

[RussianSensation]

I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

but they do, apparently 4 to 1

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

but they do, apparently 4 to 1

like Ackmed said "Zero hard numbers"

 

[Extelleron]

Unfortunately, NVIDIA is just more widespread and known among the non-1337, come on, did you ever hear someone who doesnt know much about computers saying they wanted a X1800XT? No, but they all knew alot about/wanted 7800GTX's. nVidia does the marketing and gets game developers to lie for them to promote products (ex: Oblivion), ATI sits back and actually designs good cards.

 

[RussianSensation]

Extelleron you are right. All my friends own Nvidia. One guy bought 5700Ultra over 9800Pro and another got 6800GS AGP over X850XT....heheh

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Unfortunately, NVIDIA is just more widespread and known among the non-1337, come on, did you ever hear someone who doesnt know much about computers saying they wanted a X1800XT? No, but they all knew alot about/wanted 7800GTX's. nVidia does the marketing and gets game developers to lie for them to promote products (ex: Oblivion), ATI sits back and actually designs good cards.

U know, they do actually make a good card. It's not like they're selling crap and just coasting on marketing. Give credit where credit is due. Currently, their top card is not as good as ATI on some things, better on others. Is it their fault that besides making a good card they also promote it? Isn't it more ATI's fault that they don't market their card appropriately? And this is on the high end. In the mid market where most of the add in cards are sold, the 7600gt like the 6600 gt before is a great value.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Zero hard numbers, so basically its just his opinion? I dont doubt NV sells more cards, but I really doubt newegg is selling four times as many 7900GTX than they are X1900's.

NV needs some PR after the Oblivion results and news... ?

Perhaps you've already forgotten the Newegg quote in the recent 7600/7300 press release from nVIDIA (not likely since you were in that thread rubbishing the announcement)? :roll:

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

but they do, apparently 4 to 1

like Ackmed said "Zero hard numbers"

like keysplayr2003 said "You mean the guy is lying?" author Scott Wasson admits "We weren't able to get any e-tailers to go on record with proportional sales data on ATI and NVIDIA cards" AFAIK i haven't seen any e-tailers that are willing to disclose their sales data publicly.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

but they do, apparently 4 to 1

like Ackmed said "Zero hard numbers"

like keysplayr2003 said "You mean the guy is lying?" author Scott Wasson admits "We weren't able to get any e-tailers to go on record with proportional sales data on ATI and NVIDIA cards" AFAIK i haven't seen any e-tailers that are willing to disclose their sales data publicly.

Chimi Changas - Bernie Focker

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Unfortunately, NVIDIA is just more widespread and known among the non-1337, come on, did you ever hear someone who doesnt know much about computers saying they wanted a X1800XT? No, but they all knew alot about/wanted 7800GTX's. nVidia does the marketing and gets game developers to lie for them to promote products (ex: Oblivion), ATI sits back and actually designs good cards.

Ati's good cards mean jack if they don't sell enough of them and if they continue to lose marketshare, their good cards won't be as good anymore since they won't have the r&d funding available. ATI really needs to get their act together with marketing. No shame in courting some of the nvidia marketing personnel. This is a business after all.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I cant think of why anyone would buy 7900GTX over X1900XT that costs almost $100 less and outperforms it. Majority of buyers don't overclock either. Which means X1800XT blows the doors off 7900GT. HQ AF advantages? X1900 AVIVO?

Robert is right, ATI needs to take a course or 2 in marketing and advertising.

but they do, apparently 4 to 1

like Ackmed said "Zero hard numbers"

like keysplayr2003 said "You mean the guy is lying?" author Scott Wasson admits "We weren't able to get any e-tailers to go on record with proportional sales data on ATI and NVIDIA cards" AFAIK i haven't seen any e-tailers that are willing to disclose their sales data publicly.

Chimi Changas - Bernie Focker

LOL "All right, I'm pretty sure it's off. Honey, you want a chimichanga?" -Bernie Focker

 

[Jules]

lol

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Unfortunately, NVIDIA is just more widespread and known among the non-1337, come on, did you ever hear someone who doesnt know much about computers saying they wanted a X1800XT? No, but they all knew alot about/wanted 7800GTX's. nVidia does the marketing and gets game developers to lie for them to promote products (ex: Oblivion), ATI sits back and actually designs good cards.

My experiences are completely opposite, most of my friends are vehemently anti nVidia. Either way I don't think our personal observations mean much we are all dealing with a small and not very random sample.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: golem

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Unfortunately, NVIDIA is just more widespread and known among the non-1337, come on, did you ever hear someone who doesnt know much about computers saying they wanted a X1800XT? No, but they all knew alot about/wanted 7800GTX's. nVidia does the marketing and gets game developers to lie for them to promote products (ex: Oblivion), ATI sits back and actually designs good cards.

U know, they do actually make a good card. It's not like they're selling crap and just coasting on marketing. Give credit where credit is due. Currently, their top card is not as good as ATI on some things, better on others. Is it their fault that besides making a good card they also promote it? Isn't it more ATI's fault that they don't market their card appropriately? And this is on the high end. In the mid market where most of the add in cards are sold, the 7600gt like the 6600 gt before is a great value.

My ATI > NVIDIA list

X1900XT/X > 7900GTX
X1800XT > 7900GT (no oc'ing factored in, remember X1800 oc's to 700+/1600+ as well)
X1800GTO > 7600GT
X1600XT =< 7600GS

nVidia has a slight advantage in the extremely low-end, -$200 range, but ATI will be launching refreshes of those lines soon, they just focused on the high-end spectrum first. I'm proud to be a fan of ATI, who doesnt bribe developers such as Bethesda to say the game will run better on nVidia hardware/recommend nVidia hardware for the game when it actually runs better on an X1800XT than a 7900GTX, and of course doesnt have developers say "HDR+AA is impossible on ANY card" when its really just not possible on nVidia cards. nVidia's marketing disgusts me, with the AEG crap and the "TWIMTBP" crap as well.

 

[TraumaRN]

Umm I thought the X1800GTO got beat by the 7600GT? or at the least it was on par with it.

Problem is it's still too close to call even on the top end 7900GTX vs X1900XT/X

Joe Schmo at home is more vunerable to good marketing then reading a review on a tech website.

In the end if the benchmarks are too close to call and alot of them are...then it's all on marketing, and we all know who tends to market better...

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Zero hard numbers, so basically its just his opinion? I dont doubt NV sells more cards, but I really doubt newegg is selling four times as many 7900GTX than they are X1900's.

NV needs some PR after the Oblivion results and news... ?

Is he not allowed to post his opinion?
Where does he say NewEgg is selling four times as many?
I haven't followed a word about Oblivion, given that I don't have much time for games anymore, don't really care much at ALL about RPGs, and don't have a need for a new game right now as I have a couple yet to be played out.

So far you just sound like a defensive ATI fan.

My preference (and money) will go with whichever brand gets a manfacturer to hurry the hell up and offer alternatively-cooled cards (be it X1800XT or 7900GT). I have no interest in modifying a brand new card, but I have every bit of interest in a quiet GPU. Make one passive, make one with a Zalman/AC cooler built on it stock, I don't care, just friggin' do it already.


Btw, I run an X800XL 256MB (Sapphire's Ultimate model with the Zalman cooler on it stock) and my two previous cards were ATI as well (9800Pro and 9600Pro). I'm looking forward to a 7900GT with a better cooler on it or an X1900XL if they ever produce such a card and make it QUIET and affordable.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Zero hard numbers, so basically its just his opinion? I dont doubt NV sells more cards, but I really doubt newegg is selling four times as many 7900GTX than they are X1900's.

NV needs some PR after the Oblivion results and news... ?

I would trust his comment over yours, since he did talk to numerous retailers and I'm sure some commented off the record. I doubt that number was made up.

It's not just marketing. The 7900 series overall is just better than the 1900 series and so (of course) more people want the better card.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Umm I thought the X1800GTO got beat by the 7600GT? or at the least it was on par with it.

Problem is it's still too close to call even on the top end 7900GTX vs X1900XT/X

Joe Schmo at home is more vunerable to good marketing then reading a review on a tech website.

In the end if the benchmarks are too close to call and alot of them are...then it's all on marketing, and we all know who tends to market better...

X1900XTX does far better in shader heavy games like Oblivion/FEAR, and those games are the ones that give us a glimpse of the future. The X1900XTX also has better features such as HDR+AA and HQAF.

X1800GTO is faster than 7600GT in memory bandwidth limited situations and around the same otherwise, so if you plan on playing with AA/AF the X1800GTO will be better. Besides, X1800GTO's have a high unlock rate to 16pp, aka X1800XL for $220-230.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: nVIDIA press release
"Our sales data indicates that the GeForce 7 Series graphics architecture is preferred by our customers, and GeForce 7600 GS fills in the only remaining hole in the incredibly-strong GeForce 7 product line-up from NVIDIA," said Howard Tong, vice president at Newegg.com. "The price band of $129 to $149 is immensely popular among our customers, so a product based on the highly-regarded GeForce 7 Series architecture in this price range is sure to be in very high demand."

NVIDIA Strengthens Mainstream Product Line with Two GeForce® 7 Series GPUs

 

[Nelsieus]

I don't think this has much to do about nVidia and ATI's marketing as much as it does other PC Manufacturer's, such as Dell, Alienware, and Falconn.

When they advertise their top of the line gaming systems using nVidia cards and SLI Technology, it portrays an image of nVidia being superior in the industry.

So perhaps it's the OEM deals nVidia has with some of the more well-known PC gaming makers more so than actually "advertisement" on nVidia's part.

Anywho, both the Geforce 7900GTX and the Radeon x1900XTX compete literally on par with eachother, and since nVidia has an edge on "image" as far as reputation goes (as mentioned above), I'm not really surprised with their sucess.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Umm I thought the X1800GTO got beat by the 7600GT? or at the least it was on par with it.

Problem is it's still too close to call even on the top end 7900GTX vs X1900XT/X

Joe Schmo at home is more vunerable to good marketing then reading a review on a tech website.

In the end if the benchmarks are too close to call and alot of them are...then it's all on marketing, and we all know who tends to market better...

X1900XTX does far better in shader heavy games like Oblivion/FEAR, and those games are the ones that give us a glimpse of the future. The X1900XTX also has better features such as HDR+AA and HQAF.

X1800GTO is faster than 7600GT in memory bandwidth limited situations and around the same otherwise, so if you plan on playing with AA/AF the X1800GTO will be better. Besides, X1800GTO's have a high unlock rate to 16pp, aka X1800XL for $220-230.

Thats fine and dandy but it still revolves around marketing AND price, most people who arent gonna overclock and arent gonna try and unlock pipelines are going to look at price and which bit of marketing burns in their mind.

Look at this

169 after rebate. People go for those sorta things. You and I both know that. Sure ATI may win those FEAR and Oblivion benchs and it maybe subjectively have better image quality, and it does have HDR+AA(which sadly only 2 games support) and HQAF buttttttttttttttt Joe Schmo doesnt know that if ATI doesnt market.