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Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Thanks for your response epking, despite the comments you made earlier in the thread. I tried to find them, but there's a lot of material to go through. I think i'll try out the software, and If I like it, then I'll pay the $20. This is a deal compared to WinDVD or PowerDVD which are around $60. The only thing is, PV does not decode surround sound for some odd reason.

something you can do actually, is just use a program like ZoomPLayer, actually, just use ZoomPlayer, and what you would do in your instance, is to set up the video decoders as Nvidia, and then you can specifiy the audio codecs for whatever you want, ie:windvd6, powerdvd, sonic, and so forth. I use spidf, but I'm pretty sure you can even use the trial version of some of these codecs through Zoom Player, and it actually uses them as full versions. I think there are lots of options though to get what you need working, you're talking about analog DD decoding right? I think you could also pair the nvdvd video codecs with something like AC3filter(thats free as well) Or you know, just use whatever audio codecs you are using now, and configureZoomPlayer to use the Nvdvd codecs for video. Anyways you get the idea. I'll be glad to help you along if you need some help, just let me know. One other thing, the dscaler5 dvd codecs are brand new and are completely free. They are more or less Nvidia's rival for IQ it seems, and as i said they are free, most can notice an immediate difference from WINDVD,PowerDVD and so on...dscaler are noticably superior. They have a free audio codec as well. Not sure if it does analog decoding of DD, but i suspect so. If you or anyone isn't familiar, ZoomPlayer is a media player, and it just whatever codecs a user specifies, and one can mix and match to their hearts content. Its an extremely powerful program. It can be intimidating at first, but has maybe a 30 minute or so learning curve. The interface is a little complicated, but you trade that for all that customization and power user features.
 

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I never said that did i ROLLO you fooking prick, i really cant go you now after all the crap i felt sorry for you u got from others, i now know why.

My input may have been interesting to some peeps, but yours is just bollocks, why you even hang here i dont know as your happy with a broken gpu and ATI pos.

FACT is 6800 u is world only dx9c p.s 3.0 and hrd card and the E model is fastest agp card ever and will always be as now its all pci-e.

I read back and you were all nvidia now your both nvidia and ATI, you obv not got a clue why nvidia had probs moving to new manu proc that made 5800 till N40, ATI aint yet jumped over and when they hit a wall soon they need to and may have same startup issues nvidia did, you can read on google something like "state of out graphics" i cant find it for love or money now but it explains why nvidia took plunge and change proc and risking loosing to ATI with 5800/5900 and 5950 (which they did).it is all about long termness, so Rollo dont give me any your crap replys i aint even addressing your random mumble jumble, i just posted info others may not have seen esp as it was a Extreme build, you really are a pussy.

And yes i think my card is better than any ATI if you knew anything, you know u got to turn of AA to use HDR and its only beta in Farcry with patch 1.3.
 

Cdubneeddeal

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whaaa whaaa whaaa cry cry cry.. nvidia > ATI...ATI > Nvidia..who freaking cares. They're all good cards but yet you all want to argue the differences between them and each cards pros and cons. You bought a good card..it plays games well. Move on, play some games, watch pron. Do something minus the flaming of one another here. It's a video card..no a presidential election :disgust:

BTW..Happy new Year :)
 

imported_humey

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Cool Well make the lamer Rollo dissappear cause everyone is communication bar him, he cant admit we been shafted and i feel dumb to think i used to feel sorry for him being picked on by others.

Cant move on as card dont do what it was said it was going to do, i dont just play games and watch pron. although both are good.
 

epking

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Epking:
What in the hell else is that supposed to mean other than you took exception to mwmorph criticizing Nvidia for not delivering, and then used an absolutely asinine, and impossible standard to judge others by. It means what you said, simple as that.
If you're too stupid to read that I took exception to MWMORPH criticizing BOTH nVidia and ATI, you should at least be smart enough not go on about it?

It does indeed "mean what I said", no more, no less. I stated both "ATI and nVidia" in black and white, and you feverishly trying to spin it into something it's not doesn't make you look any more like something you're not: intelligent.

You should be reading some books and saving up for some education rather than wasting hours of our time trying to prove why you think I'm nVidia fan number one. Better yourself little buddy! ;)

Face it dimbulb: I buy/use all the cards, you don't. My actions speak for my "bias", not your diarrhea of the mouth. :):beer:

Happy New Year little buddy!

Rollo, I'm not gonna get into a education pissing contest with you, only clowns mention their education levels unsolicited in a graphics card thread like you have (5 times or so) but I can assure you, I have the ability to stay consistent and not waver and waggle all over the place like you have. You don't even remember the positions you've taken in this very thread. That is the telltale sign of someone who has very ill-formed thought processes. IE: you speculate for ten posts in a row and then you yell at everyone to stop speculating. Or you chastize someone for criticizing company X (or to humor you, company X and Y) and then you do not even consider the fact that you, yourself have been engaging in that very thing a dozen times over. Thats the behavior of a simple-minded fool, who cannot even remember his own actions or positions. Even your last post you lacked the faculties to realize, that even if I accepted what you were saying, that your comment was indeed aimed at "I took exception to MWMORPH criticizing BOTH nVidia and ATI" (ie: both companies)...fine for the sake of argument, i'll cede the point,you were referring to both companies..lol But now, you fail to even realize how absurd it is, that here you are, saying that you "took exception to his criticizing...." and that is what I had accused you of in the first place, and you were denying. You denied it because you were on record yourself criticizing ATI a dozen times over.....but here you are proving my point.lol....specifically, that you are a jackass for accusing someone else for exactly what you yourself have been doing a dozen times over in this thread. I guess you got so worked up about proving how you weren't a fanboy, that you couldn't handle two complex thoughts at once. I mean after all, that is an awful lot to remember....I mean it is tough to remember one's "opinions" and all:laugh:

I buy all the cards, you don't. My actions speak for my "bias",

How could you possibly claim that I don't buy both companies cards? Thats ridiculous. I've said a half a dozen times in this thread, I went from a 9800pro to a 6800. Thats called buying the best chipset per generation. I'm also not afraid to have a "balanced" opinion of either card, everything is not black and white Rollo, you see, I can rip ATI about some things, praise them about others, likewise, I'm on record in this thread for saying some very positive things about the 6800's, and some very negative things. Thats called OBJECTIVITY, and calling it like you see it, not some all loving, never- do -wrong biased fanboy nonsense that you spout, Rollo. I mean seriously, anyone can look at any of your posts, on any hot topic, if it involves Nvidia, Rollo is 110% on their side. In this instance, he is attacking people for standing up for what they paid for.[roll] In addition, I'm not on record saying something as utterly absurd as one cannot criticize either company unless you work for one of the top 2 companies in your respective industry. Whatever the hell that nonsense means. The fact is, here and in any thread, YOu've out and out attacked with vengence anyone who said anything negative about the 6800's or Nvidia in general. You've taken Nvidia's side 100 of 100 times, and I would invite anyone reading this to go through Rollo's fanboy filled posts as far back as they wish, his positions are clear....Nvidia is right 100% of the time. Moroever, it will take all of about 2 minutes to find a half a dozen flames towards ATI. YEah, you're "actions speak for themselves".....whatever. As I said, you can claim this or that....everything you say, every position you've taken is on record. That speaks louder than what you are claiming here. Likewise, what you're claiming your education to be, well imo thats suspect as well. Any asswhipe can go around telling people how educated he is on the internet. In fact, its usually precisely those who lack it, that tend to bring it up every couple of posts. :thumbsup:and those who keep talking about degree, degree, degree, are the ones who probably didn't finish. Most people with a couple of degrees are proud of them, but don't go out of their way to bring them up every couple of posts at a hardware forum:laugh:
 

epking

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Your video card is bigger than mine? THAT's mature? Does your's kill mine at Half Life 2 or high AA/AF settings Humey?

you mean the HL2 that you said this about earlier in the thread? :roll:

this is probably becuase you are running a 5200 or 5800 or 5900 that cannot properly render the dx9 path. on a proper true dx9 card the water looks fantastic.

rollo's response:

Overstatement. I've only played on a 6800Nu and a 6800GT, but I don't think the water is that big a deal.

Actually I don't think this game is that big a deal- Doom3 held my interest for weeks, HL2 a few days.

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LOL, this guy has more opinions than I think even he realizes. I wonder why Captain Nvidia doesn't like HL2? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Rollo prefers Carmack to Newell. :Q:p

To be clear, I personally think HL2 is just about the best game I've ever laid hands on. I think its a 10 of 10 game all the way. And ATI vs Nvidia has absolutely no place in this thread. Its quite frankly, only something people with Biases drag in to the discussion to deflect attention away from the issue at hand.(not that I'm always on topic either);):D
 

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Anyway, isn't this thread about the broken PVP on our 6800s, not ATI vs nVidia? I give up with you four, am going to do my part to put this back on topic.
 

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Anyway, isn't this thread about the broken PVP on our 6800s, not ATI vs nVidia? I give up with you four, am going to do my part to put this back on topic.

FINA-FUCKING-LY
 

epking

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I just want an outright admission of fault, and explanation of why it didn't work. Moreover, It would be nice if they cleared up all the muddle, and owned up to the fact that it will NEver work on the 6800s. THe thing that rubs me the wrong way more than anything, is just the boldfaced lying, and failure to take accountability. I mean does anybody here question the fact that "PureVideo" was simply a repackaged damage control label for what had been advertised at launch as the On Chip Video Decoder? I mean thats exactly what it was. It was nothing more than a cynical and clever marketing dept ploy to figure out how to best tip toe their way around the fact that the flagship 6800ultra, the 6800GT, and the 6800std, had a non-functioning on chip decoder. So, essentially it was an out and out joke on us consumers. It started with, They simply do not address the issue at all for several months....then when some sites start to say, "Where the hell is the On Chip Encodin/Decoding?" well then finally they start to leak out tidbits of info....and of course all the while they claim that its not broken and the 6800 series WILL get .wmv Hardware ACCEL. Meanwhile some of us here have taken up the cause and question whether it will ever work, and discuss what we can do about it. Of course, there were a number of TOOLS who attacked us for this, because they- either believed unquestionably in Nvidia's ability to deliver, or they were just the sort who get off playing "Nvidia's extra special little messenger Boy." In Rollo's case, I suspect, it was a combination of the two....

So next comes the Pure Video announcement and nda agreements and rumors start to hit the web that a fix is coming for everyone, and that it will be here on Nov 1. Even some Nvidia reps start giving dates like Nov. 20. Of course these come and go, but they serve their purpose.--- they keep the dogs at bay for a little while. Another tactic employed was they released the whitepapers and nda agreements to all the websites, knowing full well tidbits will get out.. and clowns like Rollo "interpret" these whitepapers to mean, "A Fix is coming for the 6800's you'll see, anyone who doubts this, has some sort of anti-Nvidia agenda!!!":roll:
We all know the rest of the story, but one ought to keep in mind, that clearly Nvidia was lying all along. As for Rollo, there could only be two possibilities for the way he unequivicolly concluded that the 6800's would be fixed because "he had the Purevideo whitepapers on his hard drive(that his insider spy gave him), right in front of him but couldn't disclose the info to us, because he was under double- top- secret- Nvidia -super -secret- high security- DNA match- NDA agreement" :thumbsup: , Anyways, to reach his false conclusion, he was either- lying, or else- he doesn't know how to read critically, one or the other. You guys can decide, irregardless, pretty much 100% of what he said about the on chip decoder was either Nvidia Marketing PR garbage, or it was completely WRONG. Correct that, It was both of those actually.

So, anyways, how should Nvidia rectify this non-working PVP now? (hypothetically of course, we all know they won't do a god-damn thing) Obviously, the ethical thing to do would be to either offer some sort of partial value refund like you guys are saying, but better yet, imo, the most ethical and most reputable thing to do would be to recall the malfunctioning units. And to either fix it(which appears impossible) or provide working replacements at their own expense. This is actually standard practice in any industry for a disfunctional product. Obviously, a full or even partial refund would be another viable option.

The reality of this situation though, is that, I just think that Nvidia and other hardware makers know how to play language games, and take advantage of the technical expertise they have over the consumer. Ie: such issues are difficult to prove against them, by virtue of the complex nature of technology in itself, so even the language(not to mention the physical architecture) is arcane to even advanced users of the products, and cannot be nailed down...we all know this is malfunctioning hardware that can be empirically verified(on chip video decoder) that was fixed for later iterations, but Nvidia (or nearly any less than honest hardware company) is slick enough to get around such "sticking points", in other words..."the truth."

The thing that really pisses me off about all this, is that only a few hardware sites really took Nvidia to task for it this time. Case in point, A site which consumers like us normally count on, Anandtech, was M.I.A. in this instance, and spun the pure video thing as positively as it possibly could have been spun for Nvidia. It very nearly completely glossed over the fact that hundreds of thousands of consumers were defrauded out of a major feature set that they had already paid for. It did not even bring up the fact that Nvidia had been trying to cover up this for the past 8 months. And what is most unbelievable, it did not even question Nvidia, or hold them to account for completely changing an advertised feature set after the fact. Nvidia launched the cards advertising this highly touted feature, and this is a fact. Nvidia then changed their feature set, and supported cards after the fact. That is also a fact. I cannot fathom how a consumer hardware site like Anandtech wouldn't hold them accountable....instead using the phrase...Nvidia owners just got a Christmas Present...lol..yeah, 6600 owners maybe :roll: These ommisions were just blatantly obvious, and imo, (and plenty of others it appears) Anand completely missed the Story here. This definately seemed to be a case of not wanting to rock the boat, and knowing where there bread is buttered.
 

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I agree, and once i get some real official purevideo driver that still fails, im in good step for my legal goings ons, last year i got a new card like for like but this time i obv cant as its broke and im not sure next gen will be avail in agp, i think it will and will be last, i aint movong to 64bit as of reasons i said b4 with the current power i got now and if i was i wouldnt have bought a 6800u so late in the lifecycle of a card at nov 04 (took me that long from release to get one) :disgust:
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: epking
I want to blabber on and on and on about why nVidia, Rollo, and Anand are evil. Maybe if I blabber on and on and on about why I think nVidia, Rollo, and Anand are evil, someone will mistakenly think I've actually posted something useful about the situation based on the sheer volume of my words. When I was in school, words like "succinct" and "specificity" were never explained to me. Thanks for reading my pointless mental masturbation, what's a troll without an audience?
If I were really a man, I would never waste so much time over change like the $300-$500 I spent on this video card and one small aspect of it's functionality that didn't work. Unfortunately, I'm a little boy with nothing better to do than whine about an issue that would be in the far periphery of anyone with a real life.
Again, thanks for reading my ad nauseum mental masturbation, I'll gladly repeat it 300 more times for you, because I have no life.

Good post Epking- I'm impressed you're coming to terms with the nature of your little existence! :):beer:
 

imported_humey

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At least epking has the balls for a small boy to admit Nvidia are wankers and fooked us, unlike some other pussies, who cant admit or are happy to be fooked up the arse, as they not en/decode movies, its principle aswell, if card never wasn't said to do purevideo functions that was fine, but lies aint.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: humey
At least epking has the balls for a small boy to admit Nvidia are wankers and fooked us, unlike some other pussies, who cant admit or are happy to be fooked up the arse, as they not en/decode movies, its principle aswell, if card never wasn't said to do purevideo functions that was fine, but lies aint.

LOL- oh it takes "balls" to post "Wah. They screwed us!" a couple hundred times as an anonymous poster in a forum Humey.

BTW- what's with all the thinking of men as women, "wanking", and buggery in your posts? You like to think about that stuff, think about it a lot?

Just asking- my thoughts about other men don't ever have a sexual nature to them.
 

imported_humey

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Fook of you prick, i think you already been told you not welcome here, by others, your just disgracing yourself more.

And if you read post you would know i told UK PR Manager on phone about all this and ive left msg since telling him he is a liar and i will forward his name in my legal goings on.

Rollo you are a sad wanker really you are, the kind of pissant that got his arse kicked at school, each of my post is something to do with the situ on my card, where as yours are just TROLLING, i feel you sit here 24/7 and pounce of new post by other so you can start to talk negative about them.

Would you have enough dignity left to leave if we dont want you here, as i cant fathom out why the hell you are here, you certainly aint supporting the peeps.
 

imported_humey

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This is about best info on web ive seen about what a 6800 range card was meant to do, must be b4 rest were edited ;)

Inverse telecine (3:2 pulldown)
Motion adaptive deinterlacing (SPAD)
Color space conversion
Gamma correction
Processor amplifier
WMV9/H.264 motion compensation
WMV9/H.264 in-loop deblocking
Noise reduction
Frame rate conversion
MPEG 2 Decode / Encode (SD and HD resolutions)
MPEG 4 Decode / Encode
DiVX Decode / Encode
High Quality scaling
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: humey
Fook of you prick, i think you already been told you not welcome here, by others, your just disgracing yourself more.

And if you read post you would know i told UK PR Manager on phone about all this and ive left msg since telling him he is a liar and i will forward his name in my legal goings on.

Rollo you are a sad wanker really you are, the kind of pissant that got his arse kicked at school, each of my post is something to do with the situ on my card, where as yours are just TROLLING, i feel you sit here 24/7 and pounce of new post by other so you can start to talk negative about them.

Would you have enough dignity left to leave if we dont want you here, as i cant fathom out why the hell you are here, you certainly aint supporting the peeps.

I don't want you here, yet you remain. We seem to be at an impasse.

Carry on with calling the UK nVidia rep a "liar" and a "wanker" though- I'm sure he has a good laugh when you hang up.
 

imported_humey

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I finally gave in and played a dvd in wmp10 after avctivating nvidia decoder codec, it tested 2m 30secs of a dvd movie playing with DTS and i got 35% max cpu use in that time although it was mostly lower all time, i then ran with hardware box ticked and got max of 23% cpu on same stage of the movie, this was on the non purevideo driver avail on nvidia site.

epking what driver do you think out the leaked ones has most purevideo benifits, in dvd (mpeg2).

Pity that codec dont run on taskbar with wmv (mpeg4)

Rollo, where does it say i called him a wanker on phone, i only seen liar part.

Rollo lets take a vote

HUMEY

ROLLO

Who is more welcome and who should go.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: humey
This is about best info on web ive seen about what a 6800 range card was meant to do, must be b4 rest were edited ;)

Inverse telecine (3:2 pulldown)
Motion adaptive deinterlacing (SPAD)
Color space conversion
Gamma correction
Processor amplifier
WMV9/H.264 motion compensation
WMV9/H.264 in-loop deblocking
Noise reduction
Frame rate conversion
MPEG 2 Decode / Encode (SD and HD resolutions)
MPEG 4 Decode / Encode
DiVX Decode / Encode
High Quality scaling

Of course since you didn't bother to link it, we don't know you didn't just type this up in your post. :roll:

Hey Humey- look at this info I saw on the 6800U:

Cooks pancakes
Computes property taxes
Plays Pink Floyd hits
Does homework
Tells Mom convincing lies about whereabouts
Arranges date for all formal dances, cute only

Yep, I copied this right before they edited it. They'll answer to each and every point in their legal dealings with me.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: humey
I finally gave in and played a dvd in wmp10 after avctivating nvidia decoder codec, it tested 2m 30secs of a dvd movie playing with DTS and i got 35% max cpu use in that time although it was mostly lower all time, i then ran with hardware box ticked and got max of 23% cpu on same stage of the movie, this was on the non purevideo driver avail on nvidia site.

epking what driver do you think out the leaked ones has most purevideo benifits, in dvd (mpeg2).

Pity that codec dont run on taskbar with wmv (mpeg4)

Rollo, where does it say i called him a wanker on phone, i only seen liar part.

Rollo lets take a vote

HUMEY

ROLLO

Who is more welcome and who should go.

LOL
You can't really take yourself seriously?
Errr, yeah, let's have a election for "Who's most popular" and the guy who loses is a wanker! And probably gets "fooked" in the "arse"! Oy!
LOL

 

imported_humey

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OK wanker you can say your sorry now for calling me a liar, as you think i made that up.

Another page wasted by your quotes.

http://www.pcper.com/article.p...;type=expert&pid=4

Are you man enough to say sorry, you sad mother fooker with your little list of chores to do LOL.


Some Pureshit video info.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=102

"One issue that still hasn't been completely resolved is the NV40 chip -- does it have support for the new PureVideo technology? Our understanding is that the answer is no, and it probably never will. Users of the 6800GT and 6800 Ultra cards will get the same software benefits of PureVideo but the hardware benefits aren't going to be possible. Due to design changes that were made after the original core, the 6600 and 6200 cards do fully support the PureVideo technology. Users who may already have a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra may be dissappointed that their video performance is going to be lower than that of the mid- and entry-level graphics cards. These features also are not available on older NVIDIA cards: 6-series only. If you want to see what features are available on what GPUs from NVIDIA, check out this link on their website: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html"