GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

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James3shin

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that thread is in regards to everyone, not just you Humey. If you take legal action against NV, all i can say is good luck. In the mean time, i don't think it would be wise of you Humey, to keep using a NV card if your planning to sue them. Once again GOOD LUCK
 

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Originally posted by: humey
DAPUNISHER, i read this complete thread and 1 min your pissed next you accept what nvidia have done, why you changing your story alltime, im for 1 not accepting and i hope others dont, that piss on web about the pvp been free thrown it is crap, i bought party as of this i held out on 5800/5900/590 pos cards as of this aswell as i said they were pos, the n40 was always going to be my next gpu after a great ti 4600.
The pvp was plugged as sellling point of n40 not a free or optional extra.
Changed my story?!? Let's get something straight, I have been on about this since July, where were you? Did you even have the card? Honestly I don't feel you have the right to reproach me considering my involvment in the matter from the beginning. I among others helped bring this matter to light and get tech and industry news sites involved by raising hell about it. Given the conclusion to this debacle has been that we now know for certain our cards are borked, and not just a matter of driver and 3rd party software support, my search for answers is done.

What would you have me do further? Whine like a petulant child because all the bells and wistles on my new toy don't work and no one wants to fix it? I bought the toy for a discounted price so I did get what I paid for. It is those of you that paid MSRP or even more that have the right to seek compensation IMHO, not I. I refer to this concept as personal integrity, I hope it is not as alien to others such as yourself as it is to nV or any big corporation for that matter ;) Will I lower myself to their level in order to profit off of this? Most certainly not!

Furthermore, I have made my position quite clear that I feel class action is futile, and that the reality is that the lawyers are usually the only ones who prosper from them. You would likely get a coupon for a free copy of the decoder or a measely $25 rebate check or something similar while the lawyers who brought the suit would make millions. No thank you! I in fact will not except remuneration even if a suit is brought and a favorable judgement made.

To conclude: I am old enough and wise enough to understand that this matter isn't worth any more of my time and to carry on. That does not mean I'm happy about it, but my displeasure will be voiced in how I spend my money in the future, not with what I feel is just more futile bitching and moaning on the intardweb! :light:
 

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If u read u know i had probs getting card till november, i can still read complete thread correct ?
If everyone just lay down and gave in the west wouldnt be as free as it is today, we all work down mines 18hours a day for £0.02 a day, so i back up what others have said and we need nip this in the bud or other companies will screw comsumers in future, i for one have a free great service in UK called Trading Standards, it cost me nothing its gov run and they are feared by companies who they take on 9obv in UK only)
 

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If everyone just lay down and gave in the west wouldnt be as free as it is today

DaPunisher is not laying down, you need to get straight on that. Because of him and a very small group of enthusiasts, this matter finally got widespread attention.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: humey
If u read u know i had probs getting card till november, i can still read complete thread correct ?
If everyone just lay down and gave in the west wouldnt be as free as it is today, we all work down mines 18hours a day for £0.02 a day, so i back up what others have said and we need nip this in the bud or other companies will screw comsumers in future, i for one have a free great service in UK called Trading Standards, it cost me nothing its gov run and they are feared by companies who they take on 9obv in UK only)
I have no idea how it works in the UK, and I wish you the best in your efforts to bring nV to task :) I do know how it works here in the U.S. though, and any attempt to pursue this matter by a few thousand disgruntled users would be an effort in futility. Any settlement would likely be a pittance not even worth their time and effort spent=futile IMHO.

I do not believe any action owners take will alter how U.S. corporations like nV handle their affairs either. Just look to WorldCOM, Enron, and Haliburton for examples of how conducive the enviroment here is for corporations to engage in unethical or even criminal activities.
 

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Reading recent posts i see backtracking and others getting commented on for been pissed at nvidia, i can tell you i aint getting a free dvd decoder i got trial and if i really wanted i could have full, but its POS, i aint seen the 70.10 driver yet anyhow, i also wont be getting a $25 or UK equiv voucher, i be getting refund or a new card of some sorts of agp if not newr than n40 say n45 but agp, i take refund.

I already said i did this last january to with a card nearly 2 years old but still under warrenty from
chaintech, they were awkward until Tading Standards dealt with them and they are based in NL.
 

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Can someone summarize what this thread is all about? I don't want to wade through 60 pages of posts.

The reason I'm asking is that I just got my BFG 6800GT OC yesterday and it's unopened sitting on my desk and I want to know if this video encoder issue is something that might prompt me to return the card. My PC is primarily a gaming rig. I won't be playing movies on it. Will the lack of a video encoder affect gameplay graphics?

Thanks. -OS
 

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Originally posted by: Old School
Can someone summarize what this thread is all about? I don't want to wade through 60 pages of posts.

The reason I'm asking is that I just got my BFG 6800GT OC yesterday and it's unopened sitting on my desk and I want to know if this video encoder issue is something that might prompt me to return the card. My PC is primarily a gaming rig. I won't be playing movies on it. Will the lack of a video encoder affect gameplay graphics?

Thanks. -OS
You have no worries since your concern is gaming, so enjoy :)

 

extremeedition

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Interview with Nvidia "guru"

http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1558,1744807,00.asp

Reader Question: I've read at a number of sites that the video processor on the 6 series GPUs was "somewhat broken," but I've never heard any specifics. If you're willing to, could you share with us exactly how this processor was broken? I just picked up a 6800 GT, so this would be very nice to know.?felraiser

David Kirk: Well, the first thing that I would say about "I've read at a number of sites..." is that you shouldn't believe everything that you read! The video processor of the series 6 GPUs is just that?a processor?and it runs software for video encoding, decoding, and image processing and enhancement. The GeForce 6 series video processor is a new processor, the first of its kind, and there was no legacy (pre-GeForce 6) code to run on it. At the time the original GeForce 6800 shipped, very little new code had been written for the new processor. So, for early GeForce 6800 customers, there was little or no improvement in video quality, performance, or reduction of CPU usage.

As time goes on, more and more software is written and optimized, so that more and more video functions are enabled (turned on). Newer drivers show better performance and quality on video encoding and decoding tasks. In fact, recent reviews show the video quality of the GeForce 6 video processor to be comparable to the quality of consumer electronics video devices. That's a first for a PC video product. Also, each successive product in the GeForce 6 family has the benefit of more learning and more development time, so that we can continue to improve the processor design, instruction set, and performance. So, you can expect to see continued improvements. As to the GeForce 6800 video processor being "broken," I wouldn't say that.
 

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Old School, for your needs, its perfectly fine, you will have no problems using that card for mostly gaming. Open it up and use it.

Guys, only thing we can do it either return the card if possible, or sell it like I did.
I just sold my BFG 6800 OC.

Rollo is sarcastic old man who seems to need alot of attention.
 

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Originally posted by: extremeedition
Interview with Nvidia "guru"

http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1558,1744807,00.asp

Reader Question: I've read at a number of sites that the video processor on the 6 series GPUs was "somewhat broken," but I've never heard any specifics. If you're willing to, could you share with us exactly how this processor was broken? I just picked up a 6800 GT, so this would be very nice to know.?felraiser

David Kirk: Well, the first thing that I would say about "I've read at a number of sites..." is that you shouldn't believe everything that you read! The video processor of the series 6 GPUs is just that?a processor?and it runs software for video encoding, decoding, and image processing and enhancement. The GeForce 6 series video processor is a new processor, the first of its kind, and there was no legacy (pre-GeForce 6) code to run on it. At the time the original GeForce 6800 shipped, very little new code had been written for the new processor. So, for early GeForce 6800 customers, there was little or no improvement in video quality, performance, or reduction of CPU usage.

As time goes on, more and more software is written and optimized, so that more and more video functions are enabled (turned on). Newer drivers show better performance and quality on video encoding and decoding tasks. In fact, recent reviews show the video quality of the GeForce 6 video processor to be comparable to the quality of consumer electronics video devices. That's a first for a PC video product. Also, each successive product in the GeForce 6 family has the benefit of more learning and more development time, so that we can continue to improve the processor design, instruction set, and performance. So, you can expect to see continued improvements. As to the GeForce 6800 video processor being "broken," I wouldn't say that.
Of course he wouldn't say that, it would open the door wide for the law suits :)

What was once known only as the NV4x Video Processor has now been given the marketing name PureVideo. PureVideo is exclusively available on the GeForce 6 series of GPUs and only the latest GeForce 6 GPUs have a fully functional PureVideo core. The original NV40 and NV45 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra) do not have functional Windows Media Video 9 decode acceleration, but the rest of the GeForce 6 series are feature complete (GeForce 6800/6600GT/6600/6200).


My card will never accelerate WMV HD content through the PVP even though advertising told me it would, how is that not broke?
 

rbV5

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David Kirk: Well, the first thing that I would say about "I've read at a number of sites..." is that you shouldn't believe everything that you read! The video processor of the series 6 GPUs is just that?a processor?and it runs software for video encoding, decoding, and image processing and enhancement. The GeForce 6 series video processor is a new processor, the first of its kind, and there was no legacy (pre-GeForce 6) code to run on it. At the time the original GeForce 6800 shipped, very little new code had been written for the new processor. So, for early GeForce 6800 customers, there was little or no improvement in video quality, performance, or reduction of CPU usage.

As time goes on, more and more software is written and optimized, so that more and more video functions are enabled (turned on). Newer drivers show better performance and quality on video encoding and decoding tasks. In fact, recent reviews show the video quality of the GeForce 6 video processor to be comparable to the quality of consumer electronics video devices. That's a first for a PC video product. Also, each successive product in the GeForce 6 family has the benefit of more learning and more development time, so that we can continue to improve the processor design, instruction set, and performance. So, you can expect to see continued improvements. As to the GeForce 6800 video processor being "broken," I wouldn't say that.

Part of the real problem is Nvidia's reluctance to admit that there is a hardware issue here. David continues this with inferences that what we really have is a software issue, and that we, as users, will only have to sit back and wait for the code to be written to enable the functionality. Note how "specific" he is on exactly what kind of future functionality we can expect going forward:confused:
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: epking
Is it PCI-E retard? I specifically said NV45, not NV40. Im glad im not asking people in "your store" for advice on hardware.

If divx or xvid causes stuttering on playback, your rig is messed up, period. I can playback divx on a Celeron 800 and geforce 2 MX without dropped frames...

And yes, your rig should beat mine in games, by about 10%. Why you brought that into this thread is beyond me... Id rather have HT and PCI-E now than 10% in games with crappy multitasking performance and an AGP card id have to upgrade to PCI-E when i go SLI (which ironically ill probably get 2 6800GTs anyway when they come down so thats kind of a moot point).

acunthus, you are completely ill informed about this issue, particularly in regard to how this affects overall performance. The problem is, people with more than capable processors, as high as A64's, cannot play these WinHD smoothly, they could play them before the 6800 upgrade.with say a 5900 or a 9800pro...and now we cannot play them. Moreover, the issue that lonewolf brought up about terrible video performance in general on non WINHD files is just a HUGE issue, and huge problem for freaking $400-$500 level cards. To claim otherwise is the nonsense of a delusional fanboy.
To give an example, I have an xp3200, not a mega cpu, but its still plenty capable. Its actually above the recommended spec for 1080p winHD files...and I cannot play them at all anymore. I actually own 4 of these dvd's, and i could play them flawless in my exact same system with the 9800pro, and now I cannot. As far as multitasking, since the on chip decoder is broken, this has had a negative impact on video performance across the board on this card. Now, an xp3200 is by no means high end, but it sure as F*ck is capable of outputting video on one monitor, and browsing the internet or Instant Messaging on the other...I did this before with the last 3 video cards I owned, but CANNOT with this 6800. I and many others bought the card over the X800 series because we were sold and marketed an on chip decoder to offload the work from your processor. Now, when it doesn't work....the fanboys start saying...oh well, its worthless anyways. wtf is up with that? Its not worthless to people who need the feature, its not worthless to people who bought the 6800 for Home Theater PC usage, and all around gaming.

You know, I know you have your head up your ass, and its really hard for someone like yourself to understand other people have different habits and uses, and maybe bought the card for other things....but maybe before spouting off uninformed opinions, that show a complete misunderstanding of the issue...you ought to read up a little bit about this. Also, about the whole, people who can't run WinHD can't run at high resolutions....that is all just absurd, and again, just shows your ignorance on this matter. Just keep all this in mind before you start running your mouth next time....The fact is, despit you saying its no big deal, people who bought this card for HTPC, are basically Fukked on a MAJOR feature, and essentially got a downgrade from a performance standpoint. People not interested in HTPC, but rather video editing are now fuxed. People who bought it with all around media playback and encoding in mind are fuxed. And not the least, consumers in general got fuxed, because if companies get away with this crap, others will do the same, and consumers will continue to buy things and not get what they paid for. You know, I bet if it was a feature you cared about, you'd be raising hell. The fact is, your just to self centered, and too nearsighted to realize people have habits other than your own. It doesn't matter though anyways, We users still have a right to stand up for what we paid for....and we'd actually appreciate it, if those who don't care about such issues would just stfu.

ANswer me this, why in the world would you feel threatened by the fact that we are speaking against the 6800, and standing up for a missing feature that We consider important? It certainly is obvious that you are threatened by it, otherwise you wouldn;t come into a thread, about an issue you said you didn't care about, and start insulting people. Right? I mean you do feel threatened by it because you bought the card, and you love the card, and you cannot bare to have anyone say anything negative about the card you so adore isn't it?? I mean, that is what this is all about? Right Acunthus? You know it, and I know it, everybody reading this knows it. So, Acunthus, maybe you ought to go spend some time in a thread where there are some issues you care about. You've already said you don't care about this one. And if you refuse to leave, do us a favor and at least be honest, and say, yeah, I love my precious card, and I can't stand people saying anything bad about it. In fact, when they do, its like they are saying something bad about me.....so therefore, i go into there threads and start talking smack.
^
:thumbsup:

acanthus --> :thumbsdown:

GL to all with their respective cards, this issue has been solved for me and I'm gonna stop getting 40+ messages/day in my inbox ;) Happy Holidays!
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Old School
Thanks for the reassurance, fellas.

Depending on what video card you're upgrading from, you're going to be very pleased with gaming performance. :Q:thumbsup:
 

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thing is though... class action lawsuits wont help anything.... beyond taking money from nvidia... (which will at some point be passed down to you again) and giving money to lawyers...

typically class action lawsuits result in cash settlements of around $5 per person or so.......... while the lawyer still pulls in 25-50%

It sucks Video Acceleration will never work... but a lawsuit isnt going to make it work either.
 

Demons

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Originally posted by: DaveNCheez
thing is though... class action lawsuits wont help anything.... beyond taking money from nvidia... (which will at some point be passed down to you again) and giving money to lawyers...

typically class action lawsuits result in cash settlements of around $5 per person or so.......... while the lawyer still pulls in 25-50%

It sucks Video Acceleration will never work... but a lawsuit isnt going to make it work either.

That's not always true. I was someone who purchased a first generation HP DVD100i DVD+RW drive back a few years ago. The drive came out when the standard of the write-once DVD+Rs had not even been released yet. HP assured everyone that when the DVD+R discs became available, the drive would support them with a simple firmware upgrade. When the +R standard was finally released about 9 months later, HP changed their story and all of a sudden they stopped advertising that they would support the new discs. HP tried to appease everyone by saying that if we paid $100 we could trade in our DVD100i for a DVD200i model that would work as advertised. Some people did this but others weren't satisfied and opened a class action law-suit and the people won. HP contacted me as a registered user and told me that they would provide me with a new drive at no cost to me per the arrangements of the settlement. I also found out that all those who paid for the $100 trade in got a full refund. The good news was that HP didn't get away with it and I finally DID get the feature that HP HAD ADVERTISED the drive would do. The bad news is that it took about 6 months to get the drive after the settlement. I guess this whole situation serves me right again for buying first generation stuff before it's been tested. Class action law-suits are not just a little money back in our pockets... It's to make the company do what it had committed to do when we purchased the item... Just my opinion.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: MemberSince97
I guess alot of you fellows don't remember the buycomp scandel that started here, and started the creation of the hot deals forum. Lawyers get 33% of the class action ...False advertising is well false advertising.....Something will happen and no , I do not Whack off to screwing nV.


I bought a Hitachi 19" monitor from Buycomp and they did not deliver = result AT'ers sued buy.com and collected $67.00 apiece , lawyers got 33.00 per person=$100.00


So NM...

That was great. I remember getting some information in the mail. A few months later a check hehe.
 

Old School

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Old School
Thanks for the reassurance, fellas.

Depending on what video card you're upgrading from, you're going to be very pleased with gaming performance. :Q:thumbsup:

Currently running a 9600Pro, so I'm anticipating a nice upgrade. I'm actually doing a full upgrade and, coincidentally, have ordered some of the very same components in your sig - A64 3400+ Newcastle, DFI LP UT nF3 250gb mobo, same vid card and some OCZ RAM. Hope this rig rocks.

I apologize to everyone else - didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about my problem only. With that said, I'll give my $.02 about class action lawsuits because I disagree with the guy above who says you'll only get $5 and the lawyers make a ton.

I bought a Toshiba laptop 5 years ago and about a year after I bought it I received in the mail a notice of class action lawsuit against Toshiba for something where they had screwed people over who bought the laptop. I decided to join the class action and about 8 months later I got a $300 check in the mail. This was pretty sweet considering my laptop still works perfectly today. One thing to be aware of is that if you decide to join the class action suit against the company being sued you must also agree to waive any further claims against that party. This usually is not a problem unless you're someone who's been seriously wronged by the sued party and you stand a better chance of recovering a larger award if you went ahead and sued the company individually and not as part of the class of plaintiffs. Another thing is that class action suits can be a major pebble in the shoe of manufacturers. I wouldn't dismiss them as not being effective because if enough people with the same problem band together and file such a suit, it will force the defendant to take a look at what it's done. It has to respond. Once a suit is filed, you better believe that the defendant will be spending a significant amount of its own $$ in legal fees defending itself. Now I'm kind of curious to see what this is all about so I might go ahead and read this thread from the beginning, which will probably take a few days. -OS
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: humey
I hate Rollo. Rollo must go

Humey, even though your speech is hateful and spiteful, I cannot flame you in response.

Why?

Your county produces my favorite beer for the last 20 years- Youngs Barley Wine Style Ale. If you have ever enjoyed this, you are my brother. By living in the UK, you are my spiritual cousin, as I understand the UK is the birthplace of barley wine.

So flame away, brother, I will offer no retort.

I respond to your flames with "Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours."


 

wraith3k

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Originally posted by: Demons
Originally posted by: DaveNCheez
thing is though... class action lawsuits wont help anything.... beyond taking money from nvidia... (which will at some point be passed down to you again) and giving money to lawyers...

typically class action lawsuits result in cash settlements of around $5 per person or so.......... while the lawyer still pulls in 25-50%

It sucks Video Acceleration will never work... but a lawsuit isnt going to make it work either.

That's not always true. I was someone who purchased a first generation HP DVD100i DVD+RW drive back a few years ago. The drive came out when the standard of the write-once DVD+Rs had not even been released yet. HP assured everyone that when the DVD+R discs became available, the drive would support them with a simple firmware upgrade. When the +R standard was finally released about 9 months later, HP changed their story and all of a sudden they stopped advertising that they would support the new discs. HP tried to appease everyone by saying that if we paid $100 we could trade in our DVD100i for a DVD200i model that would work as advertised. Some people did this but others weren't satisfied and opened a class action law-suit and the people won. HP contacted me as a registered user and told me that they would provide me with a new drive at no cost to me per the arrangements of the settlement. I also found out that all those who paid for the $100 trade in got a full refund. The good news was that HP didn't get away with it and I finally DID get the feature that HP HAD ADVERTISED the drive would do. The bad news is that it took about 6 months to get the drive after the settlement. I guess this whole situation serves me right again for buying first generation stuff before it's been tested. Class action law-suits are not just a little money back in our pockets... It's to make the company do what it had committed to do when we purchased the item... Just my opinion.

I agree, while we might not get much money individually from a lawsuit, it would at least get nvidia's attention and tell them they can't pull shady business practices like this. I think it'd be better than doing nothing.
 

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: humey
I hate Rollo. Rollo must go

Humey, even though your speech is hateful and spiteful, I cannot flame you in response.

Why?

Your county produces my favorite beer for the last 20 years- Youngs Barley Wine Style Ale. If you have ever enjoyed this, you are my brother. By living in the UK, you are my spiritual cousin, as I understand the UK is the birthplace of barley wine.

So flame away, brother, I will offer no retort.

I respond to your flames with "Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours."

Rollo we get your point . you think everything is fine with the Video processor and is good enough like that. We all know that. No more reason for you to say it again. The rest of us want to work this out to whatever we can do without you saying that there is no problem one more time. Please for the love of God let us whine in peace!
 

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old school and the slug, well said about the class actions...yeah, to some people it may not be worth the while, but its not necessarily about any money, its about holding them accountable for what they've done. A class action would most certainly bring them negative press, as well as legal fees,ect. Basically, it would be a small form of justice even if we got nothing. At least they had to pay in some way for how they treated us. Obviously, speaking with your wallet in the future does a lot of good as well. Likewise, despite what the fanboys say, spreading the word about what they have done, and what kind of company they are, and how they treat their consumers does make a difference however small. Whatever, all of these small things still add up. Especially getting the word out on various forums, this thread has got plenty of views, and there are dozens others....Put it this way, the negative publicity is not exactly helping Nvidia, and I'd imagine, they'd hate to make a similar mistake again. If a class action comes to bare, that would make it even moreso.

So despite what these fanboys say, the louder we yell, the more Nvidia cringes. That's why they've gone into full time damage control folks.

Our voices, however small do matter. And worst case scenario, even it doesn't...it's been a pleasure bustin Nvidia, and Rollo's balls.:laugh: