Maybe you should start a class action suit against Anand! His site made you think the 6800 was a good card, and he probably said it had some video capabilities!
......smacksmacksmack....someone's gonna get SUED......smacksmacksmack.....people can waste their time and money in court so some law firm gets a payday and we get $20 each....smacksmacksmack......oooooooohhhhhhh......smacksmacksmack...I'll burn my GT and buy a Voodoo3 so at least I won't be lied to by nVidia!!.....smacksmacksmack......where's my handkerchief, I've besmirched my 501s........
:roll:
LoneWolf15, well said :thumbsup:
Rolla, i aint had words with you yet, and i know your not a young boy, but grown man, so please cut out this smack smack POS, i really dont get the humour, if you are happy with 6800's been broke or rather use your ATI, fine but please dont post load of crap that adding pages and pages to this thread.
Rolla, i aint had words with you yet, and i know your not a young boy, but grown man, so please cut out this smack smack POS, i really dont get the humour, if you are happy with 6800's been broke or rather use your ATI, fine but please dont post load of crap that adding pages and pages to this thread.
See, i dont follow the above, its post of lot of sh*tty quotes of others and says nothing about fixing our problems with cards, get my drift ?
Has anyone who has the 6800 GT AGP version bought that silly DVD decoder and noticed any improvemwnt?
rollo, nice job changing the subject....because, you see..you were the utter TOOL that has made a jackass of yourself spouting off how you "knew for a fact" the 6800 would be fixed- over 100 or so posts all the same...for the last three months. At one point, you said you had "proof on your hard drive that the 6800s would be fixed, and it was not a hardware issue", among other Nvidia-loving absurdities. The only thing about "circle jerk" and "smacking off" in this thread has to do with you..... You see, you ARE A JACKOFF, ROLLO not us standing up to these major undelivered features we bought the card for. You see, only a jackoff would unconditionally defend a company like Nvidia 100% of the time, right or wrong, rain or shine. Only a jackoff would be offended because some people were upset that they were denied significant elements that they bought the card for. Only a jackoff would attack someone because they stand up for their rights as consumers. Only a jackoff would continue to hang around in a thread, that he is on record time and time again that he didn't care about the issue. So why are you still here? Oh yeah, you have to defend Nvidia....I forgot, yeah, thats Captain Nvidia's duty.
Hey, on the bright side, I'm glad your posting again. The only pleasure about all of this has been putting you in your place, and reaming you post after post. So keep right on posting, and people will keep on proving you wrong, and exposing you as a dimwitted fanboy. This should be fairly obvious to you by now, but its not hard for me to do at all, you're not exactly the most quick witted fellow, despite that self proclaimed 140 I.Q.
But hey, you can always fall back to talking up your post count, or lifetime member status or whatever, and you can prove your mettle by saying, "hey you guys have less than 100 posts":roll:
Hey, on the bright side, I'm glad your posting again. The only pleasure about all of this has been putting you in your place, and reaming you post after post. So keep right on posting, and people will keep on proving you wrong, and exposing you as a dimwitted fanboy. This should be fairly obvious to you by now, but its not hard for me to do at all, you're not exactly the most quick witted fellow, despite that self proclaimed 140 I.Q.
But hey, you can always fall back to talking up your post count, or lifetime member status or whatever, and you can prove your mettle by saying, "hey you guys have less than 100 posts":roll:look, the dvd decoder is actually fantastic for image quality.. It does absolutely jack chit for performance or cpu usage. Its great for IQ, I think its worth every penny of $19.99 personally, but just get it by alterior motives if your opposed to paying for it. personally, i didn't feel like doing the legwork...i just bought it. Also of note, this decoder released yesterday, has some significant improvements to the prior decoder. Most notably, 3:2 pulldown and IDCT, playback is extraordinarily smooth in DXA mode with IDCT. The downside of the decoders is you have to use something like Zoomplayer or Windows Media Player10. You cant use them with Powerdvd6 or Windvd6 at the moment.
I guess alot of you fellows don't remember the buycomp scandel that started here, and started the creation of the hot deals forum. Lawyers get 33% of the class action ...False advertising is well false advertising.....Something will happen and no , I do not Whack off to screwing nV.
I bought a Hitachi 19" monitor from Buycomp and they did not deliver = result AT'ers sued buy.com and collected $67.00 apiece , lawyers got 33.00 per person=$100.00
So NM...
I bought a Hitachi 19" monitor from Buycomp and they did not deliver = result AT'ers sued buy.com and collected $67.00 apiece , lawyers got 33.00 per person=$100.00
So NM...
You see Humey, some people agree with me that a. Anand is a good guy who runs a good site b. the 6800 PVP working for one video format but not the other isn't Armegeddon c. just how many times can you read "Waaah- this sucks" and "Waaah- we'll sue" before you say "STFU. Sue/don't sue/whatever just stop telling us about it 8,329,768 times".
Posting a./b./c. in this ridiculous thread doesn't "fix your problem" with these cards either.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
They did what they could, encode/decode of WMV for 6800s wasn't among what they could do. AFAIK, no other company does either, so you're pretty much stuck.
Whining about my misinterpretation of the Pure Video papers, Anand's "bias", and the evil of nVidia is going to do "Jack" and "Sh*t".
For those who think that is a huge deal, I hear they sell P4s and 6600s that handle it pretty well. Stating "I want the card I have to do it" ad infinitum probably won't make it happen.
I don't think anyone is whining about anand's bias, just stating facts. Same as if you were to read a review by dh. Very important to know a reviewer's bias, so as to gain the most from an article. Anyways what am I doing reading this thread, don't have a 6800 (actually I read this thread, because I was curious of why anand used such loaded language).
HardWarrior
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This is what I meant by you policing this thread and otherwise trying to drown any opinion that you don't like. Couple this with the fact that you claimed to have "insider information" saying that PVP WOULD be fixed on one of two dates, both of which have passed, I can't help but wonder why you're still bothering to post. Have some shame, fade away with a bit of dignity.
Rollo,
I've been reading this thead for a long while (sort of like a soap opera). I thought you had insider info that you could not share which showed the decoder/encoder would be fixed. You said to wait and see. Now it seems you are back-tracking a bit. Was the info wrong?
No flame, but I saw what I saw.
I've been reading this thead for a long while (sort of like a soap opera). I thought you had insider info that you could not share which showed the decoder/encoder would be fixed. You said to wait and see. Now it seems you are back-tracking a bit. Was the info wrong?
No flame, but I saw what I saw.
lol, not only did he claim it would be fixed. He did so militantly. You see at first he denied anything was broken. Then he denied it was a hardware issue, and SPECULATED it was just needing a driver fix. Then LOL, he insisted everyone to Stop SPECULATING. and Shutup and WAIT, because his insider freind ASSURED him a FIX was coming in the beginning of Nov. Then he said he was laughing at all of us idiots who said the video processor wouldn't be fixed....you see, he had the White Papers right in front of him on his hard drive. (i guess now his position is he misinterpreted them:laugh: although, one would either have to be stupid or dishonest to draw the conclusion he did that the 6800s would be fixed. Imo, it was Both:laugh
Oh yeah, another tactic has been to minimize the importance of the missing features. I mean, after all, If Rollo doesn't have a use for the on chip video decoder, I don't know how anyone else would. To tell you the truth, I don't even know why Nvidia's engineers bothered with it in the first place....I guess they never talked with Rollo. Anyways, now even a fanboy like Rollo cannot duck the issue any longer, so all of the countless posts were basically all FLUFF all Nvidia PR, All Nvidia Marketing Nonsense, All the talking points of Nvidia..Basically, exactly what we were accusing him of....So, when all is said and done, and it can no longer be denied, lol....this is what he says now:Yeah, I'd say thats a far cry from what he's been spewing the last 100 posts:disgust: and yeah hardwarrior, I'd say the guy has no shame. But hey, we already knew that.:thumbsup: To tell you the truth, I hope Nvidia is paying this guy, because if they aren't, it would be all the more sad.
Rollo, why don't just shut the F*** up. No one here needs your advices. You are totally worthless on this issue. If you enjoy your card, good for you. I DON'T NEED you to tell me how I use my card. If you think Nvidia is no wrong here, that is your choice. We don't care how you feel.
This thread is about the vpu issue and how to deal with it. It is not about whether this issue is really an issue. We've done discussing that.
Rollo, I am begging you...just go away. I have never seen just a thick face loser like you.
Epking, pls ignore him. He is like a cancer just keep coming back. The more you respond, the more he comes back.
This thread is about the vpu issue and how to deal with it. It is not about whether this issue is really an issue. We've done discussing that.
Rollo, I am begging you...just go away. I have never seen just a thick face loser like you.
Epking, pls ignore him. He is like a cancer just keep coming back. The more you respond, the more he comes back.
I have followed this debate with interest from the beginning and just waded through the reams of latest information.
The bottom line is I am completely shocked at nVidia's actions.
My considered opinion before was that WMV decode probably only "partially borked", and that nVidia were beavering away in the background to try to make it work as best as possible.
To find that is *completely* borked surprises me. But to find that nVidia are openly admitting this completely astounds me. The potential implications for them are just enormous and I am staggered at the arrogance of a company that thinks it can get away with this. I am sure their legal department have been very busy assessing the material they published and working out their potential exposure. And they have concluded they can just tell us we are all fooked and that's it.
At the very minimum, I was expecting some sort of bodged solution (using shaders or whatever) so that they could *pretend* that their is even 1% hardware acceleration going on, just to avoid a lawsuit. But, no - they decided they didn't even need to do that. They would just tell us are cards don't do what we were told they would do, and its tough.
Well my views on this have turned around 100% of the course of this debate. I started out thinking this was really no big deal, but the way they have behaved is imho completely *shamefull*.
I certainly now hope their will be a class action lawsuit. I suspect the number of disgruntled customers means there probably will be one. (Some law firm is surely bound to speculatively pick it up in the hope of securing some fees.) And I also fairly convinced that nVidia will lose and lose badly.
Replacement of cards across the board is unlikely. The courts will take a view on the extent to which peoples use of the card is impaired and likely find against nVidia and reward damages to the plaintiffs. That's just my opinion, but it would seem likely, imho.
I think this issue is far from over and I suspect its going to cost nVidia *millions* in damages. And I should add: I hope that it does. That would be the fair outcome based on their behaviour.
Chip
EDIT, Can I suggest this form, if anyone is interested? (I can't do it - I am not a US citizen).
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/submit_form.html">https://www.lawyersandsettl......m/submit_form.html</a>
Their homepage http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/index.html tells you what they are about.
The bottom line is I am completely shocked at nVidia's actions.
My considered opinion before was that WMV decode probably only "partially borked", and that nVidia were beavering away in the background to try to make it work as best as possible.
To find that is *completely* borked surprises me. But to find that nVidia are openly admitting this completely astounds me. The potential implications for them are just enormous and I am staggered at the arrogance of a company that thinks it can get away with this. I am sure their legal department have been very busy assessing the material they published and working out their potential exposure. And they have concluded they can just tell us we are all fooked and that's it.
At the very minimum, I was expecting some sort of bodged solution (using shaders or whatever) so that they could *pretend* that their is even 1% hardware acceleration going on, just to avoid a lawsuit. But, no - they decided they didn't even need to do that. They would just tell us are cards don't do what we were told they would do, and its tough.
Well my views on this have turned around 100% of the course of this debate. I started out thinking this was really no big deal, but the way they have behaved is imho completely *shamefull*.
I certainly now hope their will be a class action lawsuit. I suspect the number of disgruntled customers means there probably will be one. (Some law firm is surely bound to speculatively pick it up in the hope of securing some fees.) And I also fairly convinced that nVidia will lose and lose badly.
Replacement of cards across the board is unlikely. The courts will take a view on the extent to which peoples use of the card is impaired and likely find against nVidia and reward damages to the plaintiffs. That's just my opinion, but it would seem likely, imho.
I think this issue is far from over and I suspect its going to cost nVidia *millions* in damages. And I should add: I hope that it does. That would be the fair outcome based on their behaviour.
Chip
EDIT, Can I suggest this form, if anyone is interested? (I can't do it - I am not a US citizen).
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/submit_form.html">https://www.lawyersandsettl......m/submit_form.html</a>
Their homepage http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/index.html tells you what they are about.
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: Acanthus
I have a 6600GT and an P4E.
and if i had a 6800GT (which i would if they had NV45 ANYWHERE NEAR MSRP). I wouldnt care about the FIVE VIDEO FILES OUT OF EVERY SINGLE ONE IN THE WORLD that would be cpu bound... and still run smoothly.
Oh and you found the reason i dont have an athlon-64, go enjoy your 10% in games
Hey JACK@$$, NONE of the videos I watch are encoded in HD. They are TV Rips, Divx, or XVid. Watching any of the above and doing ANYTHING else causes stuttering. Anyone here can attest to this. Yes, P4's have better multitasking overall and HT severely reduces the effect of the non-PVP. However, my A64 will probly thrash your P4 in most every game.
Oh, and if you can't find a 6800GT at or below MSRP, its because you're a blind @$$. Walk into my BBY store and I'll sell you a brand new 6800GT OC for $405.99 plus tax.
Is it PCI-E retard? I specifically said NV45, not NV40. Im glad im not asking people in "your store" for advice on hardware.
If divx or xvid causes stuttering on playback, your rig is messed up, period. I can playback divx on a Celeron 800 and geforce 2 MX without dropped frames...
And yes, your rig should beat mine in games, by about 10%. Why you brought that into this thread is beyond me... Id rather have HT and PCI-E now than 10% in games with crappy multitasking performance and an AGP card id have to upgrade to PCI-E when i go SLI (which ironically ill probably get 2 6800GTs anyway when they come down so thats kind of a moot point).
I think most everyone here can vouch that im not a troll, captain 75 post.
Just because i came in here telling the truth everyone is freaking out...
If you dont have a Celeron 700 and 6800GT, playing non-HD videos is not a problem.
There are a rediculously few number of WMV-HD movies out there (less than 10 last time i checked) and most of you cant even display the resolutions those movies play back at.
On top of that, i would take a gamble on saying many of the people in here bitching dont even own nvidia cards.
I got the white papers for PureVideo about 6 weeks ago. The specifications referred to the video capabilities of the GF6 series. There was no chart of which specific card had which capability.
I'm not "back tracking a bit" - I'm saying I was wrong, period.
If anyone else here had access to this info, they would have made the same assumptions I did. What would you have done?
HardWarrior
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Aggressively, arrogantly, abusively WRONG and with zero patience for anyone who wouldn?t drink whatever Kool-Aid ? you put in front on them, Rollo.
OK ROLLO STFU you PRICK, i just read your reply to me on page previous, WTF is whining got to do with it, you think we should be happy that card does 1 of things it claimed to out of more, ie mpeg2 works, but wmv dont, why did they claim this before and during release (to make some us buy as of this function added to great gamming).
I really didnt get involved in your fights with others and i though some peeps were unfair to you, but you deserve as your a TWAT, i am getting a new card or cash back and thats end of my story, why should i buy some POS of a intel cpu i not want or need and a low end 6600 card as nvidia tried to screw me, and if you even read what i posted in past, you would know i can play any the videos at any res no probs as of cpu and ram, but high cpu use thats not really big deal until nvidia build a new chip that will lower this in mpeg2/4wmv wmvhd( yes i know wmv is mpeg4 aka avi).
Rollo is you waste more space adding to pages on this forum with total junk like im whining or comments about coffee to calm me down, i will msg the mods and tell them we sick of you and no matter how far up this sites or nvidias BUTTS you got your tounge i will start a petition here to get rid of you and others who aint here for legit grievience reasons, that includes all PRICKS who are happy to be screwed and want us to be same, i expect i can get backup from >>> LoneWolf15 and HardWarrior , any more peeps feel same way towards the TROLLS here.
Also i never made comments of nvidia been evil, i think they just deceitful and i never said anything about this site but i still want to know how they claimed on 20th nvidia had decoder and driver to make purevideo work avail for public download, the new decoder didnt come till 21st and there still aint this magic 70.10 driver.
Acanthus , you are a TROLL, my pc owns that shitheap u got if u want me to talk like that as u seem to be above, but i not care as i can play the videos anyhow, BUT i do care about being sold a product that dont do as it was said to on paper, and it dont matter if there is only 1 wmv hd avail on whole web its still legal matter, some will do for princable, some will do as wmv hd is now accepted on next dvd generation so we be seeing lot more of it in 2005, i back them all up even the peeps who only game and just want a new card as n40 is getting old now,
So really i dont need Rollo, yourself or anyone telling me what hardware i need or not need thank you.
P.S hyperthreading is overated and was a AMD patent in 2002, funny how they allowed intel to use it, porob as its buggy and needs turned of in lot of applications, AMD now use hypertransport which is much better.
I really didnt get involved in your fights with others and i though some peeps were unfair to you, but you deserve as your a TWAT, i am getting a new card or cash back and thats end of my story, why should i buy some POS of a intel cpu i not want or need and a low end 6600 card as nvidia tried to screw me, and if you even read what i posted in past, you would know i can play any the videos at any res no probs as of cpu and ram, but high cpu use thats not really big deal until nvidia build a new chip that will lower this in mpeg2/4wmv wmvhd( yes i know wmv is mpeg4 aka avi).
Rollo is you waste more space adding to pages on this forum with total junk like im whining or comments about coffee to calm me down, i will msg the mods and tell them we sick of you and no matter how far up this sites or nvidias BUTTS you got your tounge i will start a petition here to get rid of you and others who aint here for legit grievience reasons, that includes all PRICKS who are happy to be screwed and want us to be same, i expect i can get backup from >>> LoneWolf15 and HardWarrior , any more peeps feel same way towards the TROLLS here.
Also i never made comments of nvidia been evil, i think they just deceitful and i never said anything about this site but i still want to know how they claimed on 20th nvidia had decoder and driver to make purevideo work avail for public download, the new decoder didnt come till 21st and there still aint this magic 70.10 driver.
Acanthus , you are a TROLL, my pc owns that shitheap u got if u want me to talk like that as u seem to be above, but i not care as i can play the videos anyhow, BUT i do care about being sold a product that dont do as it was said to on paper, and it dont matter if there is only 1 wmv hd avail on whole web its still legal matter, some will do for princable, some will do as wmv hd is now accepted on next dvd generation so we be seeing lot more of it in 2005, i back them all up even the peeps who only game and just want a new card as n40 is getting old now,
So really i dont need Rollo, yourself or anyone telling me what hardware i need or not need thank you.
P.S hyperthreading is overated and was a AMD patent in 2002, funny how they allowed intel to use it, porob as its buggy and needs turned of in lot of applications, AMD now use hypertransport which is much better.
James3shin
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wow...answer me this batman, what is all this posting/complaining going to do for your card? Is it gonna magically give it WMV accel? Is it gonna make NV give everyone free DVD decoders? Fresh off the presses, "Rollo stated he was wrong, the VP doesn't fully work, lots of consumers screwed" Now what? Get over it, either go sell/return your cards, and purchase another brand or use them.
James3shin, if thats to me NO, i will not get over being screwed i am if you even bother to read, taking legal action AFTER i get a 70.10 drive incase it helps, i dont need you to tell me to get over it or buy new hardware, do you always ly down and let peeps piss on you and just get over it, or do you deal with it in a certain way ?
P>S if you werent referring to me ignore this all, but i and others r sick of nvidia lies before and TROLLS comments now, i can go back and read them constently changing sides and stories, at least us "moaners" have been consitant, and no this thread does jack ass all to help anyone unlike other i post on with peeps with hardware/software probs, but it should be for peeps to band together to fight nvidia, quite franky if nvidia have read this they will not need to worry as they will see us all fighting each other.
P>S if you werent referring to me ignore this all, but i and others r sick of nvidia lies before and TROLLS comments now, i can go back and read them constently changing sides and stories, at least us "moaners" have been consitant, and no this thread does jack ass all to help anyone unlike other i post on with peeps with hardware/software probs, but it should be for peeps to band together to fight nvidia, quite franky if nvidia have read this they will not need to worry as they will see us all fighting each other.
acunthus, you are completely ill informed about this issue, particularly in regard to how this affects overall performance. The problem is, people with more than capable processors, as high as A64's, cannot play these WinHD smoothly, they could play them before the 6800 upgrade.with say a 5900 or a 9800pro...and now we cannot play them. Moreover, the issue that lonewolf brought up about terrible video performance in general on non WINHD files is just a HUGE issue, and huge problem for freaking $400-$500 level cards. To claim otherwise is the nonsense of a delusional fanboy.
To give an example, I have an xp3200, not a mega cpu, but its still plenty capable. Its actually above the recommended spec for 1080p winHD files...and I cannot play them at all anymore. I actually own 4 of these dvd's, and i could play them flawless in my exact same system with the 9800pro, and now I cannot. As far as multitasking, since the on chip decoder is broken, this has had a negative impact on video performance across the board on this card. Now, an xp3200 is by no means high end, but it sure as F*ck is capable of outputting video on one monitor, and browsing the internet or Instant Messaging on the other...I did this before with the last 3 video cards I owned, but CANNOT with this 6800. I and many others bought the card over the X800 series because we were sold and marketed an on chip decoder to offload the work from your processor. Now, when it doesn't work....the fanboys start saying...oh well, its worthless anyways. wtf is up with that? Its not worthless to people who need the feature, its not worthless to people who bought the 6800 for Home Theater PC usage, and all around gaming.
You know, I know you have your head up your ass, and its really hard for someone like yourself to understand other people have different habits and uses, and maybe bought the card for other things....but maybe before spouting off uninformed opinions, that show a complete misunderstanding of the issue...you ought to read up a little bit about this. Also, about the whole, people who can't run WinHD can't run at high resolutions....that is all just absurd, and again, just shows your ignorance on this matter. Just keep all this in mind before you start running your mouth next time....The fact is, despit you saying its no big deal, people who bought this card for HTPC, are basically Fukked on a MAJOR feature, and essentially got a downgrade from a performance standpoint. People not interested in HTPC, but rather video editing are now fuxed. People who bought it with all around media playback and encoding in mind are fuxed. And not the least, consumers in general got fuxed, because if companies get away with this crap, others will do the same, and consumers will continue to buy things and not get what they paid for. You know, I bet if it was a feature you cared about, you'd be raising hell. The fact is, your just to self centered, and too nearsighted to realize people have habits other than your own. It doesn't matter though anyways, We users still have a right to stand up for what we paid for....and we'd actually appreciate it, if those who don't care about such issues would just stfu.
ANswer me this, why in the world would you feel threatened by the fact that we are speaking against the 6800, and standing up for a missing feature that We consider important? It certainly is obvious that you are threatened by it, otherwise you wouldn;t come into a thread, about an issue you said you didn't care about, and start insulting people. Right? I mean you do feel threatened by it because you bought the card, and you love the card, and you cannot bare to have anyone say anything negative about the card you so adore isn't it?? I mean, that is what this is all about? Right Acunthus? You know it, and I know it, everybody reading this knows it. So, Acunthus, maybe you ought to go spend some time in a thread where there are some issues you care about. You've already said you don't care about this one. And if you refuse to leave, do us a favor and at least be honest, and say, yeah, I love my precious card, and I can't stand people saying anything bad about it. In fact, when they do, its like they are saying something bad about me.....so therefore, i go into there threads and start talking smack.
VirtualLarry
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Uhm, guys, please keep it at least remotely civil around here. Have you ever considered, that the two biggest thread trolls, are doing this intentionally, in order to stir things up, in order to get this thread locked by the mods? What good would that do? Well, many of the other related threads around the internet reference this one. If this one were to get locked and buried away, it would definately help NV's cause in terms of trying to get people to forget this big hullabaloo about their busted hardware. So please, don't give in to the trolling, and think before you post, and keep the strong personal-attack flames limited to PMs or something. For the good of the rest of the internet and the rest of the screwed 6800 AGP customers. Ok?
Now would be a good time to start discussion legitimate, factual potential scenarios for redress.
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