GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[Spike]

Man, this is lame. Guess I have to just ignore the whole PVP thing until someone starts a lawsuit. Until then... just gonna have to game!!!

-spike

 

[SolMiester]

Sorry guys, Anand article states that it only works on 6600 down, not 6800GT/Ultra

 

[waitupforgodot]

"One issue that still hasn't been completely resolved is the NV40 chip -- does it have support for the new PureVideo technology? Our understanding is that the answer is no, and it probably never will. Users of the 6800GT and 6800 Ultra cards will get the same software benefits of PureVideo but the hardware benefits aren't going to be possible. Due to design changes that were made after the original core, the 6600 and 6200 cards do fully support the PureVideo technology. Users who may already have a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra may be dissappointed that their video performance is going to be lower than that of the mid- and entry-level graphics cards. These features also are not available on older NVIDIA cards: 6-series only. If you want to see what features are available on what GPUs from NVIDIA, check out this link on their website: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html"

(See the full review at http://www.pcper.com/article.p...type=expert&pid=1)

And there we have it folks. That was from an article from pcperspective.com about the new Purevideo technology, and combined with the nvidia page, it is more or less confirmed that the GeForce 6800 line of cards will not ahve the hardware acceleration that was promised. This is, IMHO, extremely disappointing, and NVIDIA's total lack of honesty during this period was appalling.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: Electric Mayhem
I'll have to check this out. I just bought a Gigabyte 6800NU last week (hoping a fix was going to happen) and it arrived today. I also got the NVDVD decoder on CD when I bought a Windows MCE2005 bundle from pcalchemy.com. I'll be putting my first ever system together tonight (from scratch: A64 3200, ASUS A8V) and I'll see what happens....

Actually, since you have a non-Ultra/non-GT version of the 6800 you may actually be okay (at least as far as the video accleration is concerned), if this bit of info from the Pure Video article on the AT front page is accurate:

Remember that this only applies to the NV40 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra AGP) and NV45 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra PCIe), NV41 (GeForce 6800) has fully functional WMV9 decode acceleration.

You're still pretty much screwed as far as NVDVD goes, though.

 

[rbV5]

Actually, since you have a non-Ultra/non-GT version of the 6800 you may actually be okay

Its only the NV41 chipped 6800standard (the new chip with 12 pipes rather than the old one with a disabled quad) not the NV40 6800.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Cat
Just for reference, the PNY 6800GT boxes don't advertise WMV acceleration; just MPEG. I bought these as soon as they were available from retail.

The box on my XFX 6800GT says:

First On-chip Video Processor - Unmatched video functionality including MPEG,
WMV9, Hi-Def, Integrated TV encoder and direct TV playback."

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".

OMG you can't be serious.

If ATi saw your threads about the 9700Pro where you left it sitting on your shelf to use a 5800U they would have a bird.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Actually, since you have a non-Ultra/non-GT version of the 6800 you may actually be okay

Its only the NV41 chipped 6800standard (the new chip with 12 pipes rather than the old one with a disabled quad) not the NV40 6800.

How do you tell which one is which qhwn you are buying a new card? Are the both being sold simply as plain 6800s, or does the NV41 have a slightly different designation?

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: rbV5

Actually, since you have a non-Ultra/non-GT version of the 6800 you may actually be okay

Its only the NV41 chipped 6800standard (the new chip with 12 pipes rather than the old one with a disabled quad) not the NV40 6800.

How do you tell which one is which qhwn you are buying a new card? Are the both being sold simply as plain 6800s, or does the NV41 have a slightly different designation?

NV41=PCIe 6800 IIRC

 

[carage]

Just saw this thread at Guru3D
http://forums.guru3d.com/showt...id=1031316#post1031316

 

[Regs]

Does the 6800 APG's have the same playback quality as the 6600's? That's the only thing I really care for since I never encoded anything in my life time.

 

[LoneWolf15]

Originally posted by: PizzaYummy
Well I tried the 6703 driver and it does not help video in any way without that dvd cdecoder and I have no idea if it helps with the DVD decoder. I tried taking SS but I cant take a SS of the video playing.

This message will say "Edited" because somehow my browser borked in the middle of it...but, I can say having downloaded the 1.00.67 DVD decoder, it does nothing to accelerate WMV9 playback on an AGP Geforce 6800NU. To restate this, only owners of PCIe 6800NU/6800LE cards, and owners of the Geforce 6600/6200 family will support hardware WMV9 decode acceleration. The rest of us, 6800Ultra and GT owners, as well as those who own an AGP Geforce 6800NU, are SOL.

After receiving January's issue of Maximum PC, I have sent a letter of my own to the Watchdog asking them to look into the statements that were made to them, as well as providing links to nVidia's .PDF still on their website spec-ing that the whole Geforce 6 Series supports WMV9 acceleration, the link that contradicts this, and a simple question asking in effect if the statement nVidia gave them was at the least, misleading, and at most, far more than that

I am curious if anyone does know a lawyer who deals in trade and commerce. It would be good to know if any of us has legal grounds for recourse; I think we do, but IANAL. Does anyone know such a person we could contact?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Rollo
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".

OMG you can't be serious.

If ATi saw your threads about the 9700Pro where you left it sitting on your shelf to use a 5800U they would have a bird.

Nah- you missed the part about the "$1000s" spent on their products in the last five years. That's all the admission I need to ATIs club- they don't care if I'm buying their card to strip the HSFs off and bolt to the passive sink on the back of 5800Us, as long as they get their money.

Just the way it is.

 

[SickBeast]

lol

 

[athlon2004]

This is a sad day indeed. I promise I will not buy another nvidia card again. In fact, I may just sell my bfg 6800gt oc for a x800 xt.

 

[fbrdphreak]

So everyone saw the "sneak-peek" of the WMP10 update right? The one that will supposedly enable hardware acceleration or whatever. This is primarily what I care about. I want to be able to watch a video on my 19" CRT or on a TV thru the S-video out and be able to do sh!t while its playing. As is, I cannot do more than watch it because frames skip like crazy if I talk on AIM. Does it seem like this WMP update should fix normal playback utilization? I don't care much for HD right now, but I wanna watch my Scrubs TV-rips w/out damn skipping.
If the WMP update fixes it (as I only use WMP), then I'll be happy for now. If not, I think the GT is going for sale.

 

[Slaimus]

After playing around with the DVD decoder for a short time, it seems you only need nvviddec.ax, which is the video decode directshow filter. I registered it with regsvr32, unregistered my other MPEG-2 decode filters, and started up graphedt. The problem that, the filter will take a MPEG-2 input fine, but its output will not connect to the "Video Renderer" filter. Upon closer inspection, it seems the decoder decodes to DirectX Video Acceleration format, not RGB data the Video Renderer takes. I can tell it is actually decoding, as the bitrate indicator on the nvidia decode filter is changing.

The good news is that you do not have to pay for the DVD decoder to use it, just have those codecs registered. The bad news is you cannot use it as a general purpose MPEG-2 decode filter.

Not sure how Anand used it as a MPEG-2 decoder using zoomplayer in that article.

 

[T9D]

What a bunch of bastards. I can't believe their best cards don't have this and they led people on. Now I have to upgrade my CPU for sure very soon. Cause I still can't play my Windows HD DVD's that I bought without them being choppy. I have a 2.4 ghz and 6800 gt now. Hopefully it should be fine with a 3.4 ghz. I guess it's not THAT big a deal but I would have liked the features and it would have helped right now. I guess I'll get by with keeping the load on the CPU. (of course then if it chops at all after a CPU upgrade I'm really not going to be happy).

 

[Atif]

I don't know if the shock outweighs the disappointment or vice versa, but regardless, I've updated my site to reflect my own thoughts

Peace

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Rollo
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".

OMG you can't be serious.

If ATi saw your threads about the 9700Pro where you left it sitting on your shelf to use a 5800U they would have a bird.

lol, you mean rollo, had a thread like that...I never would believe it....serioously

The fact that I know without question that what you just wrote is true has had me laughing my purevideo ass off. Thanks, that was awesome... I needed a good laugh.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Rollo
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".

OMG you can't be serious.

If ATi saw your threads about the 9700Pro where you left it sitting on your shelf to use a 5800U they would have a bird.

Nah- you missed the part about the "$1000s" spent on their products in the last five years. That's all the admission I need to ATIs club- they don't care if I'm buying their card to strip the HSFs off and bolt to the passive sink on the back of 5800Us, as long as they get their money.

Just the way it is.

yeah, and we don't care how much nonsense you talk trying to convince us you are really objective and love ATI's just as much as Nvidia... talk all you want, you're still #1 nvidia fanboy.

Just the way it is.



yeah, yeah, I know, I'm still a d*ck

Just the way it is.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: LoneWolf15

Originally posted by: PizzaYummy
Well I tried the 6703 driver and it does not help video in any way without that dvd cdecoder and I have no idea if it helps with the DVD decoder. I tried taking SS but I cant take a SS of the video playing.

This message will say "Edited" because somehow my browser borked in the middle of it...but, I can say having downloaded the 1.00.67 DVD decoder, it does nothing to accelerate WMV9 playback on an AGP Geforce 6800NU. To restate this, only owners of PCIe 6800NU/6800LE cards, and owners of the Geforce 6600/6200 family will support hardware WMV9 decode acceleration. The rest of us, 6800Ultra and GT owners, as well as those who own an AGP Geforce 6800NU, are SOL.

After receiving January's issue of Maximum PC, I have sent a letter of my own to the Watchdog asking them to look into the statements that were made to them, as well as providing links to nVidia's .PDF still on their website spec-ing that the whole Geforce 6 Series supports WMV9 acceleration, the link that contradicts this, and a simple question asking in effect if the statement nVidia gave them was at the least, misleading, and at most, far more than that

I am curious if anyone does know a lawyer who deals in trade and commerce. It would be good to know if any of us has legal grounds for recourse; I think we do, but IANAL. Does anyone know such a person we could contact?

lonewolf, can you provide that link to the pdf please..I have a bunch of clowns over at FM practicing revisionist history, Nvidia style. I wanna provide unequivocal proof in Nvidia's own words. I know there is a mountain of evidence, and it is just common knowledge, if you don't mind providing it though, it will save me the trouble.

 

[Atif]

^ This may not be what you're looking for, but this also mentions the 6800 having WMV9 decode:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_12687.html

Peace

 

[Lifted]

I am really loving my 9500 Pro I'm using right now. Spent maybe $200 on it a couple years ago. Now I have a pair of PCI-e 6800GT's on their way in my new system which just shipped today, and I have THIS to look forward to? $1,000 later and I can't get hardware decode. Nice. But the $200 6600GT's get it. Yeah, that sounds about right. Oh, but wait! $1,000 isn't enough, they want another $20 for a dvd decoder?!?!?! HELLO, I CAN BUY A DVD PLAYER FOR $20!!!!! There I was being all happy with my 9500 Pro, wondering why anybody would purchase the impossible to find Geforce 5xxx series, and here I am looking like a fool for purchasing non other than an Nvidia card. Go nVidia... err... NOT!

 

[LoneWolf15]

Darn right I can. Here's the direct link to the .PDF :

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_16823.html

Here's the section of the site where the link is still current as of this minute:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce6.html

The link is titled "Geforce 6 Series Product Overview" . nVidia has never at any time yanked this from their site or revised it, I tend to keep an eye on it just so I can keep a date of how long it has been there should there ever be legal action taken. As I quoted earlier in this thread, here is the part of the .PDF that bothers me:

ADVANCED VIDEO AND DISPLAY
FUNCTIONALITY
? Dedicated on-chip video processor
? MPEG video encode and decode
? WMV9 decode acceleration
? Advanced adaptive de-interlacing
? High-quality video scaling and filtering
? DVD and HDTV-ready MPEG-2 decoding up
to 1920x1080i resolution

The .PDF lists the 6800 and 6600 class GPUs as members of the Geforce 6 family; it has been on the site long enough that the 6200 wasn't a gleam in their eye when they had it released. What is odd is that no-one in their PR dept. has noticed it, said "Oops!" and yanked it, IMHO. Either way, it was instrumental in me purchasing my card, as I tend to read before I buy, which I think makes it grounds for false advertising and a clear cut case for Geforce 6800 owners should a class-action lawsuit arise.