GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Here is the response I received back from BFG:
"Official response from NVIDIA.

"The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of PureVideo
technology which included support for MPEG2 h/w acceleration. While the
initial design goal was to also accelerate other video formats such as
WMV, testing showed that the 1st generation implementation still relied
on the CPU to assist with some of the processing.

As newer GPUs were introduced (GeForce 6600 models), NVIDIA was able to
implement additional enhancements to it's PureVideo technology to add
support for h/w acceleration of other video formats such as WMV." "

Ain't that some bullsh!t!! I'm taking suggestions for a reply to BFG, as I will be studying for a test all day and won't have the brain power to compose my own reply.

Initial design goal? Dems some serious balls to say something like that...OMG

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Here is the response I received back from BFG:
"Official response from NVIDIA.

"The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of PureVideo
technology which included support for MPEG2 h/w acceleration. While the
initial design goal was to also accelerate other video formats such as
WMV, testing showed that the 1st generation implementation still relied
on the CPU to assist with some of the processing.

As newer GPUs were introduced (GeForce 6600 models), NVIDIA was able to
implement additional enhancements to it's PureVideo technology to add
support for h/w acceleration of other video formats such as WMV." "

Ain't that some bullsh!t!! I'm taking suggestions for a reply to BFG, as I will be studying for a test all day and won't have the brain power to compose my own reply.

They are going to need to come up with a better answer than that.

 

[bpt8056]

Now they really pissed me off! :|

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Here is the response I received back from BFG:
"Official response from NVIDIA.

"The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of PureVideo
technology which included support for MPEG2 h/w acceleration. While the
initial design goal was to also accelerate other video formats such as
WMV, testing showed that the 1st generation implementation still relied
on the CPU to assist with some of the processing.

Initial design goal? Dems some serious balls to say something like that...OMG

Yeah. If your product doesn't actually meet those "initial design goals", you don't advertise them as features on the product's packaging.

Time to call in the lawyers.

PS. How can "testing" show that the implementation is using the CPU vs. the GPU .. it has to be intentionally designed and programmed that way! It doesn't magically happen on it's own... as if NV truely has no idea whatsoever how things are actually accomplished with it's video cards. *disgust*

 

[Benedikt]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Here is the response I received back from BFG:
"Official response from NVIDIA.

"The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of PureVideo
technology which included support for MPEG2 h/w acceleration. While the
initial design goal was to also accelerate other video formats such as
WMV, testing showed that the 1st generation implementation still relied
on the CPU to assist with some of the processing.

OMG!
You've just experienced a true wonder of perfect marketing bullsh1t combined with broken promises and perfect ignorance of customer demand.
I'm just angry, sad and disgusted.

MFG,
B. W.

 

[Zebo]

Cutting though all the verbage...did'nt they basically say this?


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PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

-Sincerly nVidia Customer Support Team

 

[DAPUNISHER]

False advertising will be the charge, but will it stick? I am no legal braintrust and have no idea wether or not there is wiggle room for nV on this matter. The convoluted and interpretable nature of our laws makes this a matter for class action experts to examine and determine wether there is enough evidence to bring this to trial. Unfortunately, from what little I have read on the subject of class action law suits, there will likely be a settlement provided the case is a strong one, and the attourneys will see most the money while we will recieve virtually nothing when our portion of the settlement is divided among us

I project a lose-lose senario, and believe we have indeed recieved the finger from nvidia as Zebo so graphically illustrated :brokenheart:

 

[MemberSince97]

damn keyboard

 

[MemberSince97]

Originally posted by: MemberSince97
Personaly, I feel review-sites should stop doing reviews of this card and advertising this feature when they review it....

nVidia should provide some kind of restitution . I would think the sooner they do it the less expence and bad publicity will follow.

 

[Rage187]

Luckily 90% of us dont care. I think thats what they are banking on.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Luckily 90% of us dont care. I think thats what they are banking on.

Who is us? Everyone in this thread, except yourself evidently, cares, including some who don't even own the card. If you mean 6800 series owners in general I fear that stat is probably far too close to accurate, but I'd qualify it as most being entirely ignorant of the matter as oppossed to apathy. That however never stopped the lawyers from making a mint off a class action suit

 

[Rage187]

I'm referring to 90% of owners in general, it would only make sense that people on a Video forum would care about features on a video card. I however dont seem to mind. It plays games, which is what I paid for it to do, I didnt buy it for the video processing. If I had, then yes I would be upset.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
False advertising will be the charge, but will it stick? I am no legal braintrust and have no idea wether or not there is wiggle room for nV on this matter. The convoluted and interpretable nature of our laws makes this a matter for class action experts to examine and determine wether there is enough evidence to bring this to trial. Unfortunately, from what little I have read on the subject of class action law suits, there will likely be a settlement provided the case is a strong one, and the attourneys will see most the money while we will recieve virtually nothing when our portion of the settlement is divided among us

I project a lose-lose senario, and believe we have indeed recieved the finger from nvidia as Zebo so graphically illustrated :brokenheart:

If you buy an automobile, and the "reverse" gear doesn't work, do they tell you, "sorry about that.. btw, our new-model-year vehicles are just coming out, wouldn't you rather like to buy one of those?" ?

I say, screw the class-action (because only lawyers benefit), instead, DEMAND that the vendor provide a model with working features. The question is though, who is on the hook here? NVidia, or the company that brands and sells the actual cards, even though NV mfg'ed them? I'm guessing the vendor company (BFG, PNY, etc). I'm not sure how long it will be until they release their newer-model cards with the working PVP feature, but you should at least get them to swap the defective card that you've purchased, for a newer working one. I guess the question is, besides introducing the 6200 cards, along with the 6600s, is NV also doing a re-spin/refresh of the 6800 models as well? Will there be a fixed 6800-family card released any time soon?

This whole deal sounds almost like the Gainward Golden Sample Ti4200 cards with the buggy, defective, capacitors that made the screen turn pink, except more widespread (affecting all of the AIB vendors instead of just a single one).

I wonder how NVidia will ever get over this "black eye". First it was cheating in benchmarks, now they are trying to directly cheat their customers.

Edit: For those of you following along, who think that this is "no big deal", because you bought the card only for 3D games.. be aware that if you ever want to upgrade to "Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005", AFAIK, it *requires* a video card that is capable of hardware-accelerated video encoding and decoding. So if this feature is broken in your card, you can never install/upgrade to that OS.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
If you buy an automobile, and the "reverse" gear doesn't work, do they tell you, "sorry about that.. btw, our new-model-year vehicles are just coming out, wouldn't you rather like to buy one of those?" ?

I say, screw the class-action (because only lawyers benefit), instead, DEMAND that the vendor provide a model with working features. The question is though, who is on the hook here? NVidia, or the company that brands and sells the actual cards, even though NV mfg'ed them? I'm guessing the vendor company (BFG, PNY, etc). I'm not sure how long it will be until they release their newer-model cards with the working PVP feature, but you should at least get them to swap the defective card that you've purchased, for a newer working one. I guess the question is, besides introducing the 6200 cards, along with the 6600s, is NV also doing a re-spin/refresh of the 6800 models as well? Will there be a fixed 6800-family card released any time soon?

This whole deal sounds almost like the Gainward Golden Sample Ti4200 cards with the buggy, defective, capacitors that made the screen turn pink, except more widespread (affecting all of the AIB vendors instead of just a single one).

I wonder how NVidia will ever get over this "black eye". First it was cheating in benchmarks, now they are trying to directly cheat their customers.

Edit: For those of you following along, who think that this is "no big deal", because you bought the card only for 3D games.. be aware that if you ever want to upgrade to "Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005", AFAIK, it *requires* a video card that is capable of hardware-accelerated video encoding and decoding. So if this feature is broken in your card, you can never install/upgrade to that OS.

Yes sir, I have reached similar conclusions concerning a law suit, but I'm not at all certain I'll hold out in the hopes of BFG manufacturing 6800GT AGP with a PVP that works as advertised. With the Pro VIVO mod having such a high success rate and the performance it offers, plus the VIVO functinality I am currently without, I may just sell my BFG 6800GT to someone like Rage187 who is aware of but apathetic to the issue

 

[EvanB]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Edit: For those of you following along, who think that this is "no big deal", because you bought the card only for 3D games.. be aware that if you ever want to upgrade to "Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005", AFAIK, it *requires* a video card that is capable of hardware-accelerated video encoding and decoding. So if this feature is broken in your card, you can never install/upgrade to that OS.

MCE requires hardware decoding on the TV Tuner, not the graphics card. This will make no difference in MCE as far as the TV functions go. You need something like: this.

 

[MemberSince97]

Larry plz , we sued Buy.com we can do it again!!!

 

[MemberSince97]

Nvidia ripped us off period................concerning the PVP ,,,,, how bout a gift from them, from all rightfully concerned parties... before it cost them multi millions.............

There is no doubt that us 6800 owners have over 20 millions transistors not doing not what was "ADVERTISED"

 

[Rage187]

yeah, good luck on that...

 

[MemberSince97]

WHAT, my RAGE THEATRE 200 WILL DECODE EVEN strait DVD's at 30................

 

[MemberSince97]

22 million useless transistors , divided by what now , ?

 

[rbV5]

MCE requires hardware decoding on the TV Tuner, not the graphics card. This will make no difference in MCE as far as the TV functions go. You need something like:

That "MPEG" card will do absolutely nothing for decoding WMV files.

 

[darkswordsman17]

While I did buy my card to play games with, it sucks that the PVP doesn't work.

This is a feature that was touted pretty heavily by nVidia, and they said that it was there and it works, even though it doesn't. They have and are selling a faulty product that doesn't have all the features that its supposed to, well it does have them, they just don't all work.

I'm sorry I haven't read all of the thread (not very much of it in truth), but while it doesn't matter to me as much as its ability to play games, I still think it should be working and would like to find some way of getting compensation for it not.

I bought this card with the PVP in mind, and it not working doesn't sit right with me. It looks even worse that its broken on their high end cards, but their low end ones have it functioning.

 

[Trekari]

Hrm...joined just to say this

http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_on-chip-video.html

I printed that page out...I happen to live in Fort Collins, CO...! What's this?:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/contact_information.html

Colorado:
300 E. Boardwalk Drive, Building 3B
Fort Collins, CO 80525

Aha!

I'll be heading there hopefully today (Friday) with my printout in hand demanding some answers.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Trekari
Hrm...joined just to say this

http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_on-chip-video.html

I printed that page out...I happen to live in Fort Collins, CO...! What's this?:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/contact_information.html

Colorado:
300 E. Boardwalk Drive, Building 3B
Fort Collins, CO 80525

Aha!

I'll be heading there hopefully today (Friday) with my printout in hand demanding some answers.

Welcome to the forums :beer: Now here is some free advice, never, I repeat, never! beard a lion in its den! Damned security guards are probably bored to death and just itching to try out that choke hold on someone

seriously though, anyone know a good consumer advocacy group we could get involved?

 

[Trekari]

I'm sure the BBB and the Attorney General of your state would be delighted to hear about this.

Seriously...those two entities are probably the best recourse we have right now to stuff this back in Nvidia's face for false advertising.

I'm hoping that I can find the time today to heard over to that office and take a look around.

My mouth hasn't ever gotten me into trouble before...nuh huh...never...honest...er...hehe.