GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[DAPUNISHER]

Actually they did technically state it as I pointed out in my edit above Saying it will suit every consumers needs means it includes XP owners. Something is wrong here wether nV said anything specifically to you or not.

BTW there's a xbit and Hexus review linked in the first post that bench with different drivers but xbit's is confusing because they don't seem to show how the 6800GT entered the mix in the test setup section Hexus results are more interesting me thinks

 

[Atif]

^ I see exactly what you're saying about the vague nature of the statement on nVidia's own site, I just wanted to be sure everybody knew that the observation you quoted in your post @ 4:27PM was my own, not a comment made to me by nVidia

Peace

 

[jarablue]

So basically can we chalk this up as some more bull$hit from Nvidia? I just bought a 6800 BFG GT OC going from a 9800 pro. Please don't let this ride on the bull$hit train.

 

[Atif]

^ Well, I don't know that I would just relegate this as 'bull$hit' considering the feature we are talking about IS present in hardware. We may be better served to classify this as unfortunate if anything.

The fact that an awesome feature is there but is simply going untapped is (if nothing else) unfortunate.

Perhaps some of these gentleman spending their time opening up pipes on the 6800 cards need to find a way to open up the drivers to make use of the on-chip video processor instead (assuming there is no impetus for nVidia to add official support for the Video Processor in Windows XP ATM)

Peace

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Atif
Hey Everybody,

I happened to have stumbled across this thread around the time it was posted. I had a meeting with nVidia last night, and thankfully I remembered this thread.

I asked nVidia about the Video Processor (particularly why it was [as many users have been reporting here] that it doesn't seem to do its job) and I was told that the Video Processor IS definitely there in silicone, and it functions, HOWEVER, it was not intended to be used in a Windows XP environment. The Video Processor is effectively used in Windows Media Center PCs with special Microsoft-approved drivers.

I was told that it is possible that the Video Processor will be enabled in a future driver for Windows XP and other OS users, however at the moment, it is intended for the Media Center market. If anybody with a Media Center PC equipped with a 6800-series card would like to chime in with CPU usage numbers, it may be of benefit to us all.

Until Longhorn comes out or Microsoft really decides to start pushing their WMV HD standard, I was told that there is a possibility that an official driver enabling the Video Processor in XP might not be released.

My Own Note: If one is to take a look here at the features page for the Video Processor, one can quickly see that there is absolutely no mention of the Processor being available to XP users, and unfortunately, those who purchased the 6800 series cards assuming support would be available by default obviously (not to be rude here) thought wrong.

Still, if somebody is daring enough, perhaps one could try using the Media Center drivers in XP and see what hapepns?

Peace

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

I certainly hope this turns out not to be the case.

 

[EvanB]

I have a Media Center machine that I can stick my 6800gt in if you guys want to know how that works. Should I try a few different drivers? I know Nvidia has 61.77 MCE drivers, but I havent seen any newer ones anywhere else. Ill try those and the 65s I guess. Reply with other ideas as well. Ill get to this later tonight or tomorrow.

Evan

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: billyjak

14 say it works "perfectly" still no screens.. Lots of bullsh1tters in these forums IMO.

If you look at my info, I stated it does work perfectly with HT enabled and does not work with HT disabled.
I could care less if you beleive me or not, I don't have to take a screen shot to prove this as I've been here awhile longer than most people in these forums.

We know it looks that way with HT (no offense to you and other HT users who voted BTW) I was talking about any single processor systems...A-XP, P4 noHT, A64's... where the 6800 series is failing to work as advertized in PVP.


Natually a operton, dual XP, or HT system will show less processor usage. Does'nt mean the 6800 series is working...just means those setups can do the same work and show less stress.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: EvanB
I have a Media Center machine that I can stick my 6800gt in if you guys want to know how that works. Should I try a few different drivers? I know Nvidia has 61.77 MCE drivers, but I havent seen any newer ones anywhere else. Ill try those and the 65s I guess. Reply with other ideas as well. Ill get to this later tonight or tomorrow.

Evan

That would be enormously helpful :beer: I'm not very familiar with MCE so others will have to advise on which drivers are the best choice to help ensure the PVP is supported in them. If your GT does show the PVP active it'll ease my mind about it being FUBARed in some way instead of simply unsupported by nV@this time

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Atif
Hey Everybody,

I happened to have stumbled across this thread around the time it was posted. I had a meeting with nVidia last night, and thankfully I remembered this thread.

I asked nVidia about the Video Processor (particularly why it was [as many users have been reporting here] that it doesn't seem to do its job) and I was told that the Video Processor IS definitely there in silicone, and it functions, HOWEVER, it was not intended to be used in a Windows XP environment. The Video Processor is effectively used in Windows Media Center PCs with special Microsoft-approved drivers.

I was told that it is possible that the Video Processor will be enabled in a future driver for Windows XP and other OS users, however at the moment, it is intended for the Media Center market. If anybody with a Media Center PC equipped with a 6800-series card would like to chime in with CPU usage numbers, it may be of benefit to us all.

Until Longhorn comes out or Microsoft really decides to start pushing their WMV HD standard, I was told that there is a possibility that an official driver enabling the Video Processor in XP might not be released.

My Own Note: If one is to take a look here at the features page for the Video Processor, one can quickly see that there is absolutely no mention of the Processor being available to XP users, and unfortunately, those who purchased the 6800 series cards assuming support would be available by default obviously (not to be rude here) thought wrong.

Still, if somebody is daring enough, perhaps one could try using the Media Center drivers in XP and see what hapepns?

Peace

You forgot to ask them why it works in FX series then?

 

[rbV5]

Its ridiculous to assert that the 6800's programmable video processor is intended soley for MCE, if thats what nvidia is claiming now (i doubt it)

You show me a single press release, or statement from Nvidia claiming that is in fact the case.

OK here's one:
World?s first on-chip video processor: GeForce 6800 GPUs have a programmable video processing engine that delivers stunning high-definition video playback. Featuring support for MPEG encode and decode, as well as support for Windows Media Video 9 (WMV9), the GeForce 6800 delivers an amazing video experience when used with the Microsoft® Windows® Media Center Edition operating system. The GeForce 6800 also enables high-quality video playback on any window size, and has an integrated TV-encoder for direct-to-TV playback.

Link

Nowhere does it claim the functionality exclusive to MCE.

 

[Atif]

^ They never told me that it was intended 'solely for MCE' they said that it is currently only enabled in the drivers for MCE PCs. Again, the feature IS there in hardware, it simply isn't being used by the XP drivers ATM.

With respect to why the drivers are not currently taking advantage of the video processor is something of an oddity to me. I'll make a call tomorrow and see if I can't get an official quote about this all (I wasn't meeting with them about the Video Processor, I just asked when I was shown a demo for something else and the test just so happened to include a run of a WMV HD trailer)

Peace

 

[Atif]

Okay, and now reading my original post I can see where you got the idea that I'd said the Video Processor was not made to ever be used in XP when my dumba$$ said:

"it was not intended to be used in a Windows XP environment"

I'll correct that right now, because what I was meaning to say was that it is not enabled in a Windows XP environment. I apologize for the confusion

Peace

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Atif
Okay, and now reading my original post I can see where you got the idea that I'd said the Video Processor was not made to ever be used in XP when my dumba$$ said:

"it was not intended to be used in a Windows XP environment"

I'll correct that right now, because what I was meaning to say was that it is not enabled in a Windows XP environment. I apologize for the confusion

Peace

Its not your confusion, Nvidia could simply outline their plans on implemeting the functionality and we wouldn't have to spend months waiting, pouncing on every driver release testing, listening to heresay, seeing teaser benches with newer hardware working.....

MCE is XP btw, and I notice MCE 2005 is now available Link to anyone. I'd like to perhaps build a MCE rig, but I don't want to "need" to just to have decent WMV HD playback, I'm already well over my annual PC budget this year.

 

[EvanB]

Ok, so I did some testing tonight and here is what I found:

I used:

3.4E P4
Intel 875pbz
1gb Crucial pc3200
BFG 6800gt OC
Windows MCE 2004

With Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was in the 40s most of the time with peaks at around 50-60.

Without Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was around 70-75.

I found no difference between the 66.81s and the 61.77s.

Also to note was that the MCE drivers on Nvidia's website were identical to the XP drivers.

Without the 6800gt (using instead a ati 9000 64mb), It was a complete slideshow. With and without hyperthreading.

This was all on MCE 2004, with Windows Media Player 9.

In a week or so when MCE 2005 is available via MSDN, I'll test that out, along with WMP10.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: EvanB
Ok, so I did some testing tonight and here is what I found:

I used:

3.4E P4
Intel 875pbz
1gb Crucial pc3200
BFG 6800gt OC
Windows MCE 2004

With Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was in the 40s most of the time with peaks at around 50-60.

Without Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was around 70-75.

I found no difference between the 66.81s and the 61.77s.

Also to note was that the MCE drivers on Nvidia's website were identical to the XP drivers.

Without the 6800gt (using instead a ati 9000 64mb), It was a complete slideshow. With and without hyperthreading.

This was all on MCE 2004, with Windows Media Player 9.

In a week or so when MCE 2005 is available via MSDN, I'll test that out, along with WMP10.

So...it looks like it's not working in MCE either? 70-75% (without HT obviously) is pretty high, although a little lower than my utilization was (which makes sense since I have an Athlon XP).

Not sure why the Radeon 9000 would be a complete slideshow, since the decoding seems to be almost entirely dependent on the CPU. I think?

 

[seemerun]

ok i've beeen reading all this talk about VP and 100% cpu but my question is how low should it be before
you can say yours is working i ran the liguid demo on my rig 33-44 cpu% with HT with out HT 45-60 cpu%
so how is to say this VP isn't working also does this include plain old DVD movies?



P4C800 Dl
2.8E@3.4 (stable)
1024 pc3200@480mhz
PNY 6800 GT
SB live 5.1
2 18 gig ultra 160 scsi drives
550 WATT PSU

 

[bpt8056]

Originally posted by: seemerun
ok i've beeen reading all this talk about VP and 100% cpu but my question is how low should it be before
you can say yours is working i ran the liguid demo on my rig 33-44 cpu% with HT with out HT 45-60 cpu%
so how is to say this VP isn't working also does this include plain old DVD movies?



P4C800 Dl
2.8E@3.4 (stable)
1024 pc3200@480mhz
PNY 6800 GT
SB live 5.1
2 18 gig ultra 160 scsi drives
550 WATT PSU

I guess the only to really know is to test it with a different video card. I just tested the Step Into Liquid trailer on my computer at work, which has a P4 2.8 w/ HT but has an integrated Intel graphics chip. I got around 50-60% with HT on so it is apparent that HT works well in WMVHD.

 

[seemerun]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: EvanB
Ok, so I did some testing tonight and here is what I found:

I used:

3.4E P4
Intel 875pbz
1gb Crucial pc3200
BFG 6800gt OC
Windows MCE 2004

With Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was in the 40s most of the time with peaks at around 50-60.

Without Hyperthreading and with the 66.81 drivers, my cpu usage was around 70-75.

I found no difference between the 66.81s and the 61.77s.

Also to note was that the MCE drivers on Nvidia's website were identical to the XP drivers.

Without the 6800gt (using instead a ati 9000 64mb), It was a complete slideshow. With and without hyperthreading.

This was all on MCE 2004, with Windows Media Player 9.

In a week or so when MCE 2005 is available via MSDN, I'll test that out, along with WMP10.

So...it looks like it's not working in MCE either? 70-75% (without HT obviously) is pretty high, although a little lower than my utilization was (which makes sense since I have an Athlon XP).

Not sure why the Radeon 9000 would be a complete slideshow, since the decoding seems to be almost entirely dependent on the CPU. I think?

Ok my score was 30-44 WITH HT AND 44-60 WITH OUT IT NEVER REACHED 99-100% SO CAn someone please tell me how low does your CPU have to be befor you can say it's works also it ran very smooth

 

[IeraseU]

I just want to point out that it should be noted which version of the video in particular we are discussing. I have downloaded both and noted that the 720p version (also an HDTV format) is significantly less CPU demanding then the 1080i version. It is possible that some downloaded the 720p version, and therefore are under false the impression that the video processor is working.

 

[Gamingphreek]

For all those people running with the 61.77 drivers... It is NOT GOING TO WORK, the drivers that they are enabled on are 65.62 and later.

IIRC Nvidia stated a while back that on the "rev1" NV40's and what not they had problems with the Video chip, whereas if you waited until later (Like now) they have ironed out some of those problems. Also MPEG is working maybe they just have yet to get WMV working... give them some more time.

ALso one last thing MCE is the same as XP it is just slimmed down (ie normal features) and beefed up (media features) other than that no difference.

-Kevin

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
For all those people running with the 61.77 drivers... It is NOT GOING TO WORK, the drivers that they are enabled on are 65.62 and later.

IIRC Nvidia stated a while back that on the "rev1" NV40's and what not they had problems with the Video chip, whereas if you waited until later (Like now) they have ironed out some of those problems. Also MPEG is working maybe they just have yet to get WMV working... give them some more time.

ALso one last thing MCE is the same as XP it is just slimmed down (ie normal features) and beefed up (media features) other than that no difference.

-Kevin

Thanks for the info about MCE Kevin, I have not read up on it or used it. As to the give them more time comment, do I have a choice? Also, it has also been stated none of the problem chips made it into retail so wait schmait, I want my feature or I'm going to be very vocal about not getting it To my mind this is no better so far than the HL2 coupon bullshat many have suffered through= Promises unfulfilled.

Originally posted by: IeraseU
I just want to point out that it should be noted which version of the video in particular we are discussing. I have downloaded both and noted that the 720p version (also an HDTV format) is significantly less CPU demanding then the 1080i version. It is possible that some downloaded the 720p version, and therefore are under false the impression that the video processor is working.

It's 1080p and the easiest way to be certain you get the right one is just go here

seemerun,

Your CPU speed is the reason your usage still stays lower than most, especially AMD owners. It is obvious that HT was making a positive difference from your numbers and that a P4@3.4ghz has power to spare for this appilication.

 

[seemerun]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
For all those people running with the 61.77 drivers... It is NOT GOING TO WORK, the drivers that they are enabled on are 65.62 and later.

IIRC Nvidia stated a while back that on the "rev1" NV40's and what not they had problems with the Video chip, whereas if you waited until later (Like now) they have ironed out some of those problems. Also MPEG is working maybe they just have yet to get WMV working... give them some more time.

ALso one last thing MCE is the same as XP it is just slimmed down (ie normal features) and beefed up (media features) other than that no difference.

-Kevin

Thanks for the info about MCE Kevin, I have not read up on it or used it. As to the give them more time comment, do I have a choice? Also, it has also been stated none of the problem chips made it into retail so wait schmait, I want my feature or I'm going to be very vocal about not getting it To my mind this is no better so far than the HL2 coupon bullshat many have suffered through= Promises unfulfilled.

Originally posted by: IeraseU
I just want to point out that it should be noted which version of the video in particular we are discussing. I have downloaded both and noted that the 720p version (also an HDTV format) is significantly less CPU demanding then the 1080i version. It is possible that some downloaded the 720p version, and therefore are under false the impression that the video processor is working.

It's 1080p and the easiest way to be certain you get the right one is just go here

seemerun,

Your CPU speed is the reason your usage still stays lower than most, especially AMD owners. It is obvious that HT was making a positive difference from your numbers and that a P4@3.4ghz has power to spare for this appilication.

Will the 65.62 do well in gaming for the 6800 GT

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Don't know, haven't used them. The 66.81s are working great for me so far though.

 

[Renob]

Just watched some HiDef stuff and my proc never went above 69%

Just got my 6800GT yesterday, and I must say that based only on game play this is by far the BEST upgrade I have ever done. I went from a 9800pro R360core flashed to an XT

That being said if it does not work on my card how will it effect me and video play back?

It was smooth as silk

System
6800GT
Mobile Barton 2600@3400
512 ram
NF7 mobo

 

[CrystalBay]

not working....