aren't we taking about a difference in nanoseconds here? i wonder if u can even tell a difference, visually or physically. flip a coin! either way you will probably be happy!
The specific memory specs are going to determine this questions, so until the cards begin to arrive, there's not much point debating it.
If the 128MB version comes with slower-rated memory, it will probably not be a good buy.
If the 128MB version comes with the same-rated memory, it will probably be a good buy.
The difference in speeds may simply be due to the fact that a greater amount of memory has less speed potential, similar to the reduced overclockability of 512MB system memory compared to 128 or 256MB sticks.
If the memory is of the same rating on the 64 and 128MB cards, overclockers should be able to nearly make up the difference in speed.
If the 128MB version comes with slower-rated memory, it will probably not be a good buy.
If the 128MB version comes with the same-rated memory, it will probably be a good buy.
The difference in speeds may simply be due to the fact that a greater amount of memory has less speed potential, similar to the reduced overclockability of 512MB system memory compared to 128 or 256MB sticks.
If the memory is of the same rating on the 64 and 128MB cards, overclockers should be able to nearly make up the difference in speed.
people are talking about the 128MB card being more future proof..
How far into the future are we talking here?
I've been hearing "future proof" for a long time and still games comming out aren't even taking advantage of 64MB cards.
My take is, bragging rights.."I have more than you." "So, mine is better"
Can anyone say with certainty that games will require 128MB or run better on a 128MB card?
How far into the future are we talking here?
I've been hearing "future proof" for a long time and still games comming out aren't even taking advantage of 64MB cards.
My take is, bragging rights.."I have more than you." "So, mine is better"
Can anyone say with certainty that games will require 128MB or run better on a 128MB card?
Ok i just need this question answered with absolute certainty...
Is 444mhz a big difference than 500 mhz speed of ram?
like the 128 mb transfer rate is at 7.1G/sec but the 64mb one is at 8.1G/sec... is that a big difference? will i notice less fps, etc and stuff due to this?
Is 444mhz a big difference than 500 mhz speed of ram?
like the 128 mb transfer rate is at 7.1G/sec but the 64mb one is at 8.1G/sec... is that a big difference? will i notice less fps, etc and stuff due to this?
CubicZirconia
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hmm....this thread is coming along nicely...but i have a question.
i plan to upgrade my cpu/mboard and graphics card [from an intel i740 8mb!]. i play at 800x600 or rarely at 1024x768, i want to know whether i should spend on a 128mb card...i want to keep it for 3 years or so...and i want tp be able to play Unreal 2. would a radeon 128mb le be better or a ti4200 ? im not looking for a 10fps gain i want something that looks better. looks better. LOOKS BETTER!
thanks!
Deepak V.
i plan to upgrade my cpu/mboard and graphics card [from an intel i740 8mb!]. i play at 800x600 or rarely at 1024x768, i want to know whether i should spend on a 128mb card...i want to keep it for 3 years or so...and i want tp be able to play Unreal 2. would a radeon 128mb le be better or a ti4200 ? im not looking for a 10fps gain i want something that looks better. looks better. LOOKS BETTER!
thanks!
Deepak V.
<< hmm....this thread is coming along nicely...but i have a question.
i plan to upgrade my cpu/mboard and graphics card [from an intel i740 8mb!]. i play at 800x600 or rarely at 1024x768, i want to know whether i should spend on a 128mb card...i want to keep it for 3 years or so...and i want tp be able to play Unreal 2. would a radeon 128mb le be better or a ti4200 ? im not looking for a 10fps gain i want something that looks better. looks better. LOOKS BETTER!
thanks!
Deepak V. >>
Definatley get the Ti 4200.... i was gonna get a radeon but since the 4200 has ALL the specs that the other geforce 4s have, the only difference is the core speed and memory speed, it is definately the best bang for your buck. Do not waste your money on the radeon..... the 4200 is well worth the wait.
The only problem now is deciding whether u wanna get the 128 or 64mb one... and thats where i am hahha
I'm going for the 128mb version, since I like doing AA in stuff like FS2002, Q3, etc.
That and it shouldn't be too much of a stretch o/cing it to the 64mb card's speeds anyways.
That and it shouldn't be too much of a stretch o/cing it to the 64mb card's speeds anyways.
I don't think the 28 mhz will make much of a difference, then again I don't know how big of a differene there would be at high-definition w/ 128 compared to high-definition w/ 64. I think it all depends on the range of difference. If the increase in mhz will be of greater benefit than the better performance of high res b/c of the ram, then the decision is obvious.
64mb of ram is almost overkill itself. Dont bother with the 128, its all marketing.
For some reason, people seem to equate amount of memory to performance. All my friends ask me, how much ram do you have on your video card? I say 64, he says 64. So he thinks we're equal. Never mind the fact I'm using a Ti 500 and he's using a GF2 MX200.
RAM is for your frame buffer and texture memory only. If everything fits in 64, or even 32, (as most games will for the next two years), there will be absolutely no reason to buy more memory.
You dont need 128mb to do FSAA. 128mb would help if you do 1600x1200 4XAA, because thats a lot of samples. But you'd get crappy frame rates anyway, so why bother? At 1024x768 with even 4x AA, the 64mb will be absolutely faster. Only when you stretch into ridiculous already unplayable resolutions, the 128mb will not be FASTER, it will just stutter less.
Faster memory = more fps. 500 is 1.13 times faster than 444. And that means 13% more fps, if you have a fast enough CPU. Its that simple.
Dont waste your money on the 128 unless you plan to keep it for 4 years!
For some reason, people seem to equate amount of memory to performance. All my friends ask me, how much ram do you have on your video card? I say 64, he says 64. So he thinks we're equal. Never mind the fact I'm using a Ti 500 and he's using a GF2 MX200.
RAM is for your frame buffer and texture memory only. If everything fits in 64, or even 32, (as most games will for the next two years), there will be absolutely no reason to buy more memory.
You dont need 128mb to do FSAA. 128mb would help if you do 1600x1200 4XAA, because thats a lot of samples. But you'd get crappy frame rates anyway, so why bother? At 1024x768 with even 4x AA, the 64mb will be absolutely faster. Only when you stretch into ridiculous already unplayable resolutions, the 128mb will not be FASTER, it will just stutter less.
Faster memory = more fps. 500 is 1.13 times faster than 444. And that means 13% more fps, if you have a fast enough CPU. Its that simple.
Dont waste your money on the 128 unless you plan to keep it for 4 years!
If you read Anand's new articel about vid cards under $200, you'll notice the difference in the specs. He says that the 64 mb version will have DDR ram clocked at 444mhz, while the 128 MB SDRAM will be clocked at 500 mhz.
<< If you read Anand's new articel about vid cards under $200, you'll notice the difference in the specs. He says that the 64 mb version will have DDR ram clocked at 444mhz, while the 128 MB SDRAM will be clocked at 500 mhz. >>
no no its other way around... 64mb clocked at 500mhz and 128mb clocked at 444mhz
I WAN THIS CARD!!!! Deffinately a good move on Nvidia's part. I personally will be going with the 64mb version of the card. The 128mb cards (any of them) will not be needed for some time still and people would be best served to stick with the 64mb cards for the time being (just my opinion). Only thing I am worried about is availability!
I overclocked the 4200 128 to 307/595 and got a increase of about 1000 (9100)points in 3dmark...thats around a 12 % increase in performance...BTW.
There's an easy solution: get the Gainward GeForce 4 Ti 4200 Power Pack Golden Sample. It has 128mb DDR ram that runs at 520MHz without voiding the warranty. The card is designed to run at this "higher than reference" speed. The core speed and memory speed will actually clock even higher, primarily due to having quality ram. Its currently in stock at newegg (which also has links to 4 different reviews.) Bonus on this card is VIVO (video in and video out).
I got the Gainward 128mb Ti4200. I said I was going to get the 64 mb one, but I changed my mind. Mine is running at 300/540 easily. I know it can go farther, but I don't need it to right now. I would hands down go with the 128mb version, it's so safe and easy to overclock, so I think the choice is simple.
well i ordered 2 Ti4200 64MB with the 3.5ns RAM. Very disappoiting batch to say the least. I can bearly go over 550. I was hoping for at least 600. Oh well. They come stock at 513mhz BTW.
Get the 128Mb version because it will have by far the highest overclockability. Why you say? The 128Mb version has the BGA memory which runs a lot cooler than the normal form factor and it can be overclocked like a mofo.
BFG10K
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Utter rubbish. 64 MB cards are absolutely killed in games like RTCW and JK2 at high detail levels, even with texture compression enabled. There is a large and noticeable performance gain when going to a 128 MB card in a lot of newer games.
The problem is that a lot of gaming situations don't fit into 64 MB VRAM, hence the need for 128 MB cards. As for 32 MB, that wasn't even enough for the likes of Quake3 which is a three year old game.
As I said before there are already games that really struggle with 64 MB cards, even if you enable texture compression.
to all Gainward 4200 128mb owners, what was the highest oc of clock and ram u got without adding any fans or anything.. i wanna make sure my system wont overheat if i overclock this video card... ;\
Not entirely true. If you take a look at this review for the 128Mb Visiontek Ti4200 you'll see that the 64Mb Nvidia reference board keeps up in every single bench except the CodeCult demo. The reason for this is that the latency is lower and it has more memory bandwidth. Mind you they don't even have the 64Mb card oc'd to the 600MHz memory speed they were able to obtain with it.
It's true that 128Mb will help in a few instances, but not enough right now to warrant the use of it. The games that will absolutely require 128Mb of video memory are quite a ways off (a year or two from now) and by then you'll be upgrading your video card again
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