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* GeForce 3 / NV20 : Recommended price - $699 US *

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If it can run NASCAR 4 at 1600x1200 with all graphics and effects max with FSAA @ 60 FPS I will have it on launch day and be very happy and feel every penny was well spent.

We shall see.

I have to wonder though, that if this is a direct result of the 3dfx downfall.

P.S. What's on the Matrox front? I thought I heard Carmack say that they have the memory bandwidth bottleneck "solved". I'd be interested in that.
 
"If it can run NASCAR 4 at 1600x1200 with all graphics and effects max with FSAA @ 60 FPS I will have it on launch day and be very happy and feel every penny was well spent."

hmmm.....well, i'd rather use the money to drive a real car. i bet a $700 car can run better than 60fps@1600x1200, at least i can get better/more realistic visual quality🙂
 


<< The XBOX will feature a chip that is one generation ahead of the NV20. >>



Interesting sidenote, the Xbox chip (NV2A) has been released to fab (so has the MCPX, for that matter). So I guess the next gen is done (if you want to look at it that way).
 


<< If I recall, the V2 was a terribly expensive card when it came out. $299. If they think I'm shelling out $700 for a video card, they are f$*#ing crazy! >>




and the V2 came with 3 or 4 good full-length games. I wonder who is the marketing guy at Nvidia, and what the heck is that guy smoking?
 
nVidia doesn't care. They have no competition

&quot;All gaming card market are belong to us&quot; basically describes nVidia's situation.
 


<< All gaming card market are belong to us&quot; basically describes nVidia's situation. >>



Bwahaha, nice one 😀


The difference between the Samsung monitor and the NV20 is the fact that it will not be obsolete in 6 months time.
 
does everyone here really think that chips as advanced as the upcoming nv20 are really cheap to research and develop then tape out successfully? not to mention creating a working silicon board equipped with the fastest DDR ram available known to man? how many ppl here shelled out $300 US a card when Voodoo2 came out and SLI was the &quot;in&quot; thing?

also to the ppl who argue about the entire X-Box being cheaper than the upcoming geforce3 cards need to realize this...Nvidia doesnt recieve any royalties for games that are designed for the NV20...it doesnt charge any liscensing fees....unlike consoles who recoup their hardware losses thru software Nvidia has no such thing...
 


<< It doesn't matter if noone is going to buy it >>

they said that about the Geforce 2 Ultra and well its been doing quite well for itself...
 
I just don't see game developers eyeing the nv20 when they design for a long, long time. If I began a new game design now I'd target a GF2 at most (it's reasonable to assume in 1.5 - 2 years when my game's done, that will be the common platform). Systems are still being sold with TNT2s!

Most people have 17&quot; maybe 19&quot; tubes....anything over 1600x1200 makes little sense. NV 20 may offer playable super high resolutions but few have monitors to take advantage of that.

I suppose it'll be nice to have good looking, stable and fast fsaa...that worth $700? No.

Hmmmm....early adopters are just plain crazy to buy one of these unless maybe they buy a video card every 2 years or so... I doubt nvidia will keep 6-month cycles any longer (they've slipped twice now plus the lack of competition makes it easy to relax). So look at it that way and maybe you can convince yourself. 🙂
 
The product is not even released yet!

I know it is an outrageous price, but give it a few months after release. It will drop to a reasonable level.
 
We all need to remember that nVidia always like to segment their markets into 3 basic categories: High end (the Ultra), Middle end (the GTS / pro) and the Low end (MX). With this marketing strategy in mind, then in theory, this rumoured price if it actually happens, will not last for long. All companies like to financially rape the early adopters. And, again, if this rumoured price is true, then yes, the early adopters will be paying a lot of money for a fast video card. But, give it a month or two and the price will inevitably come down.

I do agree with a lot of the people posting here - the very fact that nVidia is so successful makes me want to go out and buy an ATI card. Unfortunately, the way ATI would really make money is if they win more OEM contracts - so me buying ATIs cards on a retail basis is but a drop in the bucket.

My hope is that they price the cards soo high to OEMs because they get arrogant and think that everyone in the world wants their card so badly that they will pay any price and consequently start losing contracts. This would be a good thing for all of us since it would force them to restructure their pricing scheme (since the bottom line is what matters to any company). I just hope ATI decides to lower their prices so I can buy the 64meg Radeon at a price I can feel comfortable with (not 700$).

Anyhow, do you people really have a dire need for a faster video card? If you are running a GeForce 2 (other than the MX) or an ATI Radeon, there is no real need for you to go out and buy this foolishly high priced GeForce 3. I'd prefer to save the cash for a flight to Sunnyvale, California to go to nVidia's headquarters and beat the chief marketing officer for having the audacity to price a graphics accelerator at such an outrageous price.
 
Wow, for £500 i think i'd rather buy:
PS2
Memory Card
Extra Controller
4 Games

If $699 is the starting price, the Ultra will be around $1000 surely?
This is rediculous, i think the GTS Ultra held the max limit at $600 or whatever, i think nvidia have pushed it too far this time.
 

Ace's Hardware has some NV20 info update.



<< XBIT has an interesting newspost on Nvidia's Geforce 3. GeForce3 cards are expected to start selling in mid March at 699$! The Geforce 3 will run at 200 MHz and will use 460 MHz memory (230 MHz DDR).

The theoretical fillrate is reported to be 3.2 Gtexel/s and 800 Mpixels/s. Four pipelines can handle four textures per pixel (Geforce 2: 2 textures). As a result, the chip contains no less than 60 (!) million transistors.

The most recent reports talk of a T&amp;L engine that can crunch a peak of 150 million triangles per second.

But The biggest improvement must come from a more intelligent management of all those resources instead of raw clockspeed power. &quot;Hidden Surface Removal (HSR)&quot;, a technique which has the same purpose as Hyper Z and the Tile based rendering techniques making sure that overdraw does not lower realworld performance. Overdraw lowers performance of the current crop of &quot;brute force&quot; videocards because they render pixels which can not be seen.

HSR capable drivers improved the performance of the 3DFx Voodoo 5500 by +/-30%, so it is possible that the Geforce 3 will experience a similar performance boost.

Thanks goes to &quot;keithdust2000&quot;.

>>

 
okay... $699, can someone show me a PC game that can really take advantage of this card more so than a geforce 2 or radeon?

Surely there are some engineering programs that could benefit, but it has to be a small market. Maybe by the time Doom 6 comes out I may look into getting this card.
 
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