Gee where did all the money go????

ImTyping

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The Deficit President
And how he's getting away with it.
By Jonathan Chait


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In a column last March generally cheering President Bush's tax cut, Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria warned that, "if the surpluses shrink, the GOP will be blamed for the resulting deficits and for years after will be tarred as the fiscally irresponsible party." This was the consensus view. If you asked people what would happen if the passage of the Bush tax cut was followed not only by the government dipping into the Social Security surplus, which the president swore would never happen, but several years of actual deficits, almost everybody would have said that Bushonomics would be repudiated.


Well, just last week, less than five months since the tax cut was enacted, White House Budget Director Mitch Daniels admitted that the federal government is going to be in the red for the foreseeable future. And is this being interpreted as an unambiguous vindication for the tax cut's critics? Not exactly. The New York Times, typifying the reaction, consigned the story to its inside pages and would venture only to say that the deficit would "lead to an intense partisan battle over who is to blame for the stunning turnabout in the nation's fiscal condition." After all this time, who can even remember which party pushed through a huge tax cut, and which party warned it would lead to deficits? It's like the Simpsons episode where Homer forgets to pick up Bart at soccer practice. "I know you're mad at me right now," he tells Bart, "and I'm kinda mad too. I mean, we could sit here and try to figure out who forgot to pick up who 'til the cows come home. But let's just say we're both wrong and that'll be that."

Part of the reason the deficit hasn't hurt Bush, of course, is that everybody's paying less attention to domestic policy these days. But it's also because the White House has managed to muddle the issue with enough budgetary mumbo jumbo to leave everybody scratching their heads. Budget Director Daniels attributes the deficit to a "convergence of factors," namely, "the recession, the newly necessary spending," and "new estimates of long-term growth." Hmm. Are there any factors missing here? Oh, yes, the tax cut! When specifically asked if the tax cut had any role in the deficit, White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer replied that, in 2001, the surplus had dropped by $154 billion, while the tax cut was only $40 billion, so "something else was going on. That something else, we now know, is a recession."


This bit of analysis is flawed in so many ways I almost don't know where to start. First, Fleischer seems to be admitting, without realizing it, that the tax cut is at least 25 percent (40 out of 156) responsible for the deficit. Second, Fleischer only mentions the budget numbers for this year. But deficits are projected to begin starting next year. And the tax cut is structured so that it costs relatively little at first, but soars later. In 2010, according to congressional estimates, it will reduce federal revenues by $260 billion.

Third and most important, it's bizarre for Fleischer to deny that the tax cut is going to reduce tax revenues, since that was the point of it: Bush said over and over that "Washington" would spend the surpluses unless they were returned to the people as tax cuts. This contradicts not only what the administration is saying now about the looming deficit but also its case for a second tax cut, the "stimulus bill." That case is essentially the old free lunch: Cutting taxes will increase tax revenues. "Surpluses are returned through strong growth," Fleischer maintains, "In the absence of a stimulus package, there is a strong possibility, according to private sector forecasters, that the economy will come back with only low to perhaps moderate growth." So the previous tax cut was supposedly needed to make the surplus disappear. The next one is needed to bring it back. Whatever.

It's true, as Daniels and Fleischer say, that a big reason we're facing deficits is that the economy turned south. Where they go wrong is portraying this as an unforeseeable event for which the White House can't be held responsible. When the Bush tax cut was being debated, one of the key points made against it was that it left no room for error in case budget projections turned out to be too optimistic or some unforeseen crisis arose. Indeed, just about every speech or op-ed criticizing the tax cut made this argument in some form. And just about every time Bush and his spokespeople were presented with this objection, they would reply that they had erred on the side of caution. Here, to take one of many examples, is what Daniels said on Nightline last February when Ted Koppel questioned his rosy assumptions:

Well, we really can't miss here. ? We've been underestimating revenue by as much as $80 billion a year. And we are likely to continue doing that. ? We've constructed a budget very carefully, on very conservative assumptions, and leaving lots of room for the unforeseen contingencies of the future.

The entire public rationale for the tax cut was not merely wrong or reckless, but outright dishonest. When Bush took office, remember, most people wanted to pay off the national debt and spend money on things like education and prescription drugs far more than they wanted tax cuts. Bush was only able to make his tax cuts acceptable by convincing the public that he first planned to take care of popular priorities and only cut taxes with all the leftover money.

So, last week a reporter asked Fleischer what, given projected deficits, Bush planned to do about his promise to enact a prescription drug benefit. He replied that "anything dealing with large spending increases, particularly creation of new entitlements, has to be done with an eye toward what is achievable." In other words, it turns out we can't afford a drug plan, so too bad. If Bush's you-can-have-it-all budgeting was merely a miscalculation, he could scale back the tax cut to make way for more debt reduction or spending. But the truth?which subsequent developments now expose?is that Bush always placed his tax cut ahead of debt reduction or the various government policies he endorsed as a "compassionate conservative."

It wasn't just some giant miscalculation. It was a lie.

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tm37

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The only difference is GOre would have spent all that money that Bush LET US KEEP, and then some. With revenues droping there will be a deficit.
 

tweakmm

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up his nose?
oh...
sorry...
I couldn't help but take pot shots at our hipocrtical president
 

ImTyping

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<< The only difference is GOre would have spent all that money that Bush LET US KEEP, and then some. With revenues droping there will be a deficit. >>



No...the difference is that Gore would not have LENT us money from NEXT year's taxes, and he would NOT have lied about how he was going to handle the budget. IN THE FIRST DEBATE, Bush said that he would:

1) Balance the budget and provide for things like help with prescriptions for people with medicare.

2) Put away 1 trillion dollars into a "rainy day" fund to help with unfoseen emergencies.

3) Give the difference of the SURPLUS back to us in the form of a tax rebate.

NOTICE THE ORDER. He gave SOME of us pennies (backloading the lion's share of the tax cuts for the millionairs and billionares later), and did not do the other two things. He LIED to us...but then, that does not matter to people like you, does it?

We do not need a "supply side" economic plan. We need a DEMAND side economic plan. Put the money in the hands of the people who will SPEND it, and the economy will start moving. When I give a dollar's worth of change to a millionaire, what does he do? He throws it on the dresser when he gets out of his pants. If I give a dollar to a homeless guy, he goes and BUYS a beer, or some smokes or a hamburger...all things that help the economy.

This is 2001...the last thing we need is 1981 thinking when it comes to our economy.
 

tcsenter

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<< It wasn't just some giant miscalculation. It was a lie. >>

You gotta love ImTyping's visceral hatred that GW is getting so much favorable attention that he/she/it has gotta thrust every insignificant thing that GW might have done wrong in everyone's face. Reminds me of our situation here in Michigan, the Dem's are so bitterly HATEFUL that a Republican has proven to be more of a governor than the last 10 Democrats combined that they've reduced themselves to making fun of Engler's weight. Ah, yes, the party of "tolerance". lol!

The author is missing one important fact, is that the Bush administration, like Gore, was relying upon statistical probabilities. It could ONLY have been a "lie" if A. Bush knew there would be such a persistent recession and B. Bush knew there would be a terrorist attack putting even heavier skids on the economy and drastically increasing expenditures, neither was reasonably foreseeable.

Why didn't the author point out how well Gore's plan would have faired under the same circumstances? You know, like a side-by-side comparison of Gore vs. Bush plans? Probably because that would have shown that Gore's plan was equally suspect, if not more so, and it does no good for your partisan-based criticism when the discussion is reduced to a "lesser of two evils".

This way, by only pointing to the failings of Bush's plan, the author can create the perception that if Gore were elected, we would all have jobs, there would be "free" health care and prescription drugs for all, no terrorist attack would have happened, the Dow would be at 13,000 right now, the debt would have been paid-off in the first month of a Gore administration, Segway would run three times longer on a single charge, and we would all live happily ever after.

Instead, we have Bush, who is obviously to blame for it all. lol!


 

ImTyping

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<< Why didn't the author point out how well Gore's plan would have faired under the same circumstances? You know, like a side-by-side comparison of Gore vs. Bush plans? Probably because that would have shown that Gore's plan was equally suspect, if not more so, and it does no good for your partisan-based criticism when the discussion is reduced to a "lesser of two evils".
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Because GORE, as you and yours so lovingly point out, is NOT the President. Part of the job description deals with the person in the White House being a LEADER. Being a leader means attempting to change the course of our country due to changing conditions. I think Gore could have done that where Bush, obviously, did not.

I laugh so hard that I spit when people like you say that I am being vindictive when I bring these issues to the forefront...at least I am not going back 25 YEARS like the conservatives did when they tried to bring down Clinton!
 

charrison

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ImTyping,

It is up the pres and congress to balance the budget. Lets hope the keep the budget sensible as tax revenues decline.
We still have surplus of tax monies at the end of this year...
 

ILikeSprite

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All I gotta say is what would happen if Gore was president, what would happen with this whole Sep. 11 thing? My guess is that he'd go over there and beg for our forgiveness! :|:| I am sure as hell happy we didn't have to find out...................
 

tcsenter

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<< Being a leader means attempting to change the course of our country due to changing conditions. I think Gore could have done that where Bush, obviously, did not. >>

Well, that would make you one of the 10% or so of the population who currently thinks that. But, we know, its not you, its the public who are a buch of idiots. You're right, and everyone else is wrong. Keep telling yourself that, and it might come true.

<< at least I am not going back 25 YEARS like the conservatives did when they tried to bring down Clinton! >>

Figures you try to bring this up.