Gee...I wonder if this could have anything to do with "global warming"

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shiner

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

It could be catastrophic for migratory birds...
Like the African Swallow?

 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

I never understood why that would take place. Wouldn't that mean the earth's core would have to flip up side down so it's rotating the other way? :p

The magnetic field has flipped many many times. Last was 700,000 years ago I believe. It happens at random intervals. The reason isn't really known. What is known is that the magnetic field is caused by movement of the molten metal in the core. It acts as an electromagnet. There's on permanent magnet inside the earth. I wouldn't worry, because the previous flips didn't cause any catastrophic extinctions or anything like that.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Funny how people still believe global warming is due 100% to humans. They ignore all the other possible explanations. Granted people might be partly responsible, but I don't think we have the most significant influence.

We do have significant influence. There is a detailed record of past global warming and cooling gathered from glacial ice coring. The warming that is happening now is unprecedented. Do your own research if you want the right to tell geologists they are wrong.
 

Ryan

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Too bad the earth magnetic field is always changing, and ever reverses BY ITSELF! If that didn't happen, I'd probably read the article.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

It could be catastrophic for migratory birds...
Like the African Swallow?

Yeah, I guess it sucks for them. I don't know how they adapt to that, but they did 700,000 years ago.
 

RU482

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Haha, poll flipping. I remember seeig a website a while back...Zetatalk or something like that, that predicted a poll reversal in May of 03, causing catostrophic conditions on earth. They had all kinds of instructions on how to build a shelter to survive the event, as well as instructions on how to make food out of anything. Interestingly crazy.

My only comment is, if the polls reverse, think of all the lost old men out there driving around with their little globe compasses glued to their dashboards
 

WinkOsmosis

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Btw, I don't see how this can affect global warming. I really doubt it does. Of course "conservatives" are always struggling to fight science.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Btw, I don't see how this can affect global warming. I really doubt it does. Of course "conservatives" are always struggling to fight science.
From the article....

"The weakening -- if coupled with a subsequently large influx of radiation in the form of protons streaming from the sun -- can also affect the chemistry of the atmosphere, said Charles Jackman of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

That can lead to significant but temporary losses of atmospheric ozone, he said. "



 

todpod

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PBS had a Nova program about this a while ago, It was very interesting, nothing to get all worked up about, unless of course you are a soccer mom.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Funny how people still believe global warming is due 100% to humans. They ignore all the other possible explanations. Granted people might be partly responsible, but I don't think we have the most significant influence.

Don't generalize. It's just the liberals who think this.

Spoken like a true hypocrite.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

Actually I've heard it could be very dangerous. They don't really know how long the shift will take. If it takes a while, and the magnetic field stays at null for any semi large ammount of time, we will losethe van allen belts, which protect us from harmfull radiation from the sun. If this happens, the whole world get fried.

Fun :)
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Btw, I don't see how this can affect global warming. I really doubt it does. Of course "conservatives" are always struggling to fight science.
From the article....

"The weakening -- if coupled with a subsequently large influx of radiation in the form of protons streaming from the sun -- can also affect the chemistry of the atmosphere, said Charles Jackman of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

That can lead to significant but temporary losses of atmospheric ozone, he said. "

Ozone has nothing to do with global warming.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Btw, I don't see how this can affect global warming. I really doubt it does. Of course "conservatives" are always struggling to fight science.
From the article....

"The weakening -- if coupled with a subsequently large influx of radiation in the form of protons streaming from the sun -- can also affect the chemistry of the atmosphere, said Charles Jackman of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

That can lead to significant but temporary losses of atmospheric ozone, he said. "

Ozone has nothing to do with global warming.

Try telling that to the enviromental lobby....
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: B00ne
Actually as far as I know, a pole flip is very dangerous. There will be a period where the erth magnetic field is zero (or at least very low) thus not protecting us from the influx of charged particles anymore... Dunno if that would effect us really tho, after all these particles would also have to pass the atmosphere. But on the other hand charged particles could cause undesirable reaction with gas in the upper atmosphere (or desirable ones who knows)

From what I understand, it would be over the course of a few minutes at most. And there are very few effects whatsoever on anything that happens to be outside the magnetic field (At altitude near the poles)What would be interesting would be to watch a compass when it happens.

Or even better - magnetic gyro.

i wanna watch the geese freeze to death when they fly north during the winter :evil:
 

matt426malm

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: B00ne
Actually as far as I know, a pole flip is very dangerous. There will be a period where the erth magnetic field is zero (or at least very low) thus not protecting us from the influx of charged particles anymore... Dunno if that would effect us really tho, after all these particles would also have to pass the atmosphere. But on the other hand charged particles could cause undesirable reaction with gas in the upper atmosphere (or desirable ones who knows)

From what I understand, it would be over the course of a few minutes at most. And there are very few effects whatsoever on anything that happens to be outside the magnetic field (At altitude near the poles)What would be interesting would be to watch a compass when it happens.

Or even better - magnetic gyro.

i wanna watch the geese freeze to death when they fly north during the winter :evil:

since I live next to a pond I have to deal with goose sh!t like it's a weather pattern. I would cry with joy the day they DIE! ;)
 

Oscar1613

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Originally posted by: todpod
PBS had a Nova program about this a while ago, It was very interesting, nothing to get all worked up about, unless of course you are a soccer mom.

indeed... in fact, i've got the tv cap of it on my computer. if anyone's interested and wants to host it, i'd be more than happy to send it to them (310MB):)
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Btw, I don't see how this can affect global warming. I really doubt it does. Of course "conservatives" are always struggling to fight science.
From the article....

"The weakening -- if coupled with a subsequently large influx of radiation in the form of protons streaming from the sun -- can also affect the chemistry of the atmosphere, said Charles Jackman of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

That can lead to significant but temporary losses of atmospheric ozone, he said. "

Ozone has nothing to do with global warming.

Try telling that to the enviromental lobby....

:confused:

What are you talking about? Global warming and ozone depletion are two separate, serious issues.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

It could be catastrophic for migratory birds...
Like the African Swallow?

The European swallow, maybe, but the African swallow is non-migratory.
 

everman

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Eli
Interesting. That means we could be in for a pole shift.

Which doesen't mean anything really. It's not catastrophic or anything.

It could be catastrophic for migratory birds...
Like the African Swallow?

The European swallow, maybe, but the African swallow is non-migratory.

Where would they go about finding coconuts? I assume they could grab them by the husk. Ah perhaps with global warming, it will be much easier for European swallows to find them!
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Funny how people still believe global warming is due 100% to humans. They ignore all the other possible explanations. Granted people might be partly responsible, but I don't think we have the most significant influence.

We do have significant influence. There is a detailed record of past global warming and cooling gathered from glacial ice coring. The warming that is happening now is unprecedented. Do your own research if you want the right to tell geologists they are wrong.

Actually thats wrong its not unprecedented.
 
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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Funny how people still believe global warming is due 100% to humans. They ignore all the other possible explanations. Granted people might be partly responsible, but I don't think we have the most significant influence.

Don't generalize. It's just the liberals who think this.

Spoken like a true hypocrite.

um... did you not get the joke? or was there some level of factiousness going on that i personally didn't catch?

ps

obviously that's when Christ will return to get me off the planet... just as the sun explodes to destroy all you evil-people