GE introduces appliances with "Sabbath mode"

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Pepsei

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just checked wikipedia, they even have "shabbat elevator" it stops on every floor during sabbath, so you don't have to push any buttons.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?

If I were their overlord I would kind of be insulted.

It'd be like weekends at my grandma's hosue were if I got up and moved around [which distracted her from her needlework] she would introduce me to a broom
 

Crono

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Aug 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee I say the same thing - why should one follow the letter of the law if they're not going to follow the spirit? Why should people convert to Christianity just to cover their bases (Pascal's Wager) if they don't really believe in it? Why are there deathbed conversions? Do people really think God will be fooled by such things?

I agree with you 100%.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?

Read the Gospels. Jesus addresses the hypocrisy of the Jews (not all, but the Pharisees and scribes particularly) in that they created hundreds of laws for themselves not taken from the Torah, but then failed to live up to the standards they set for themselves. They focused on the letter of the Law, but forgot and dishonored the One who made the Law.

In those days, if you're donkey fell into a ditch on the Sabbath, you had to leave it there. YOu were not allowed to do anything on the Sabbath day, even if it was good.
They got all angry at Jesus for healing people on the Sabbath.

Then what do you say to reform Judaism? A lot of Christians did pretty crazy stuff hundreds of years ago too, and the Christians of 500 years ago would probably see today's Christians as blasphemous by their standards. But religions change and get with the times. Most Jews have made the transition. So have most Christians. But you still have a few who cling to the old ways.

You can't discredit all of Judaism just because they have a bunch of rules that most Jews have decided not to follow anymore. Christianity used to have a bunch of rules that no one follows anymore too.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?

Read the Gospels. Jesus addresses the hypocrisy of the Jews (not all, but the Pharisees and scribes particularly) in that they created hundreds of laws for themselves not taken from the Torah, but then failed to live up to the standards they set for themselves. They focused on the letter of the Law, but forgot and dishonored the One who made the Law. They forgot the greatest commandment: to love the LORD your God with all your heart and mind.

In those days, if you're donkey fell into a ditch on the Sabbath, you had to leave it there. You were not allowed to do anything on the Sabbath day, even if it was good.
They got all angry at Jesus for healing people on the Sabbath.

I wonder if pediatric surgeons go through withdrawl during these times. Letting a little kid die when I know I can save them would be tough...

<---NOT well versed on this topic.
 

evident

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Apr 5, 2005
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?

Read the Gospels. Jesus addresses the hypocrisy of the Jews (not all, but the Pharisees and scribes particularly) in that they created hundreds of laws for themselves not taken from the Torah, but then failed to live up to the standards they set for themselves. They focused on the letter of the Law, but forgot and dishonored the One who made the Law. They forgot the greatest commandment: to love the LORD your God with all your heart and mind.

In those days, if you're donkey fell into a ditch on the Sabbath, you had to leave it there. You were not allowed to do anything on the Sabbath day, even if it was good.
They got all angry at Jesus for healing people on the Sabbath.

I wonder if pediatric surgeons go through withdrawl during these times. Letting a little kid die when I know I can save them would be tough...

<---NOT well versed on this topic.

well, jesus did come around and criticize them for the hypocrisy of many of these absurd rules, eg not helping a dying man because it was the sabbath, etc...
 

sao123

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the 13th commandment:

Observe the sabbath and keep it holy: Thy refridgerator lamp shall not light during the sabbath, nor shall it beepeth.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?
He's probably laughing hysterically at the herd of little severely obsessive-compulsive primates he's created (regardless of whatever religion you care to attribute this to.)

Ok, so we have to do things in 7-day cycles, but we can't do anything on the 7th day. Certain meat is unclean. Shave hair only on certain parts of the head. Wear specific hats, but not in certain places. God wants hats worn, but not in church. Wash your hands 5x on every third Thursday, but not on every second Wednesday, only if the month's name begins with M. Hands must be properly aligned for praying to work.
Aaaaand so on.


Originally posted by: sao123
the 13th commandment:

Observe the sabbath and keep it holy: Thy refridgerator lamp shall not light during the sabbath, nor shall it beepeth.
Moses had brought his Blackberry when he was going to receive the Commandments. But it was the Sabbath, so he wasn't allowed to use it, and he only had enough stone to get 10 of them written down.
Unfortunately, the 47th Commandment was, "Thou shalt not use softwood for dwellings, for it is unclean."
That's right, if your house was made with standard 2x4's, you're screwed. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.:p

 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Our Kenmore oven has a sabbath mode. I'll get around to trying it out right after I figure out how to get it to stop beeping.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
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So you can get "sabbath mode" appliances from Ikea and GE but I can't find any "kosher coke" anywhere? WTF
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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I used to live in a very Orthodox Jewish area in Chicago and I can honestly say they were the most unfriendly group of people I've ever come across in my life.
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?
He's probably laughing hysterically at the herd of little severely obsessive-compulsive primates he's created (regardless of whatever religion you care to attribute this to.)

Ok, so we have to do things in 7-day cycles, but we can't do anything on the 7th day. Certain meat is unclean. Shave hair only on certain parts of the head. Wear specific hats, but not in certain places. God wants hats worn, but not in church. Wash your hands 5x on every third Thursday, but not on every second Wednesday, only if the month's name begins with M. Hands must be properly aligned for praying to work.
Aaaaand so on.


Originally posted by: sao123
the 13th commandment:

Observe the sabbath and keep it holy: Thy refridgerator lamp shall not light during the sabbath, nor shall it beepeth.
Moses had brought his Blackberry when he was going to receive the Commandments. But it was the Sabbath, so he wasn't allowed to use it, and he only had enough stone to get 10 of them written down.
Unfortunately, the 47th Commandment was, "Thou shalt not use softwood for dwellings, for it is unclean."
That's right, if your house was made with standard 2x4's, you're screwed. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.:p

You had me until that. The God wrote the Ten Commandments!!! DUH!!!

 

AstroManLuca

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Jun 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: jjsole
I used to live in a very Orthodox Jewish area in Chicago and I can honestly say they were the most unfriendly group of people I've ever come across in my life.

Can you blame them? They have to spend one day per week doing nothing but sitting around staring at the wall because everything is against the rules. I'd be bitter and unfriendly too if I had to spend the best day of the week doing fuck-all.
 

ElFenix

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i have a hard time thinking that an all powerful, all knowing being would be that petty. then again, it is really amusing to fuck with ants.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
That's one of the more hilarious aspect of Judaism IMO. During the sabbath, they can't push buttons or do many other technology or work related things, so they have this industry for "loophole appliances" with buttons that push themselves, etc. Doesn't anyone just stop and think about how God is supposedly a conscious, thinking entity who probably doesn't appreciate any attempt to "get around" his laws? Isn't treating Him like no more than a set of pointless, but unbreakable rules somehow wrong?
He's probably laughing hysterically at the herd of little severely obsessive-compulsive primates he's created (regardless of whatever religion you care to attribute this to.)

Ok, so we have to do things in 7-day cycles, but we can't do anything on the 7th day. Certain meat is unclean. Shave hair only on certain parts of the head. Wear specific hats, but not in certain places. God wants hats worn, but not in church. Wash your hands 5x on every third Thursday, but not on every second Wednesday, only if the month's name begins with M. Hands must be properly aligned for praying to work.
Aaaaand so on.


Originally posted by: sao123
the 13th commandment:

Observe the sabbath and keep it holy: Thy refridgerator lamp shall not light during the sabbath, nor shall it beepeth.
Moses had brought his Blackberry when he was going to receive the Commandments. But it was the Sabbath, so he wasn't allowed to use it, and he only had enough stone to get 10 of them written down.
Unfortunately, the 47th Commandment was, "Thou shalt not use softwood for dwellings, for it is unclean."
That's right, if your house was made with standard 2x4's, you're screwed. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.:p

You had me until that. The God wrote the Ten Commandments!!! DUH!!!

No, Moses did. God just recited them to Moses to transcribe. Moses was nothing but a secretary bitch!
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SunnyD
So anything close to spoiling will definitely spoil on the sabbath. SWEET.

The refrigerator doesn't shut off, it just doesn't do anything based on opening or closing the door, and it doesn't dispense water and ice.

You sure?

the door of the refrigerator or freezer can be opened or closed at any time without concern of directly turning on or off any lights, digital readouts, solenoids, fans, valves, compressor, icons, tones or alarms.

Yes I'm sure. The compressor will turn on and off when it needs to, regardless of opening the door. All that says is that opening or closing the door will have no effect on anything the refrigerator does. Anything that otherwise might be controlled by the door will instead be controlled by a clock. It's all in the press release that was linked to in the OP.


While in the Sabbath mode GE Monogram refrigerators will meet the observant Jewish consumer's restrictions for observing the Sabbath and other holidays in the following ways:

? The defrost cycle is not controlled by door openings. The defrost cycle runs on fixed clock time.
? Ice and water cannot be retrieved from the dispenser
? The main temperature control and Quick Chill?/ Express Chill? displays will not illuminate.
? Quick Chill and temperature settings will remain at temperatures set before Sabbath Mode
? Touchpad sensors will not tone
? Door alarms will not operate
? The icemaker is automatically disabled (bottom freezer models only; icemakers in side-by-side models will continue to operate unless the icemaker power switch is set to off)
? Interior lights and dispenser lights will not operate
? Current fan state will continue as current regardless of door opening

Not much sense to defrosting or running the ice maker or fan if the refrigerator turns off.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Nov 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: Pepsei
just checked wikipedia, they even have "shabbat elevator" it stops on every floor during sabbath, so you don't have to push any buttons.

Why would you need a shabbat elevator? You shouldn't be in the building on the Sabbath...
 

chuckywang

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Jan 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: Pepsei

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the door of the refrigerator or freezer can be opened or closed at any time without concern of directly turning on or off any lights, digital readouts, solenoids, fans, valves, compressor, icons, tones or alarms.

I didn't realize they make kosher appliances.

kosher = jewish dietary laws

What about this appliance is kosher?
 

UNCjigga

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Does it keep my bacon, ham, pork bellies, pig's feet and lobsters at the correct temperature?
 

geno

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
just checked wikipedia, they even have "shabbat elevator" it stops on every floor during sabbath, so you don't have to push any buttons.

I swear to their Jewish god, if I ever got caught on that thing, I'd have to choke someone nearby. Take the goddamn stairs and if you're handicapped, you're going to Hell.
 

Pepsei

Lifer
Dec 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Pepsei

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the door of the refrigerator or freezer can be opened or closed at any time without concern of directly turning on or off any lights, digital readouts, solenoids, fans, valves, compressor, icons, tones or alarms.

I didn't realize they make kosher appliances.

kosher = jewish dietary laws

What about this appliance is kosher?

ask them, i just copy paste....

Kosher appliances to make the kosher kitchen user friendly.