Gaza Pullout

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: ViciouS
Yes I know it's for the better of the world, but wow, it would suck if I just bought a house and I was forced to move out of it. I'm sure they are compensating the Jewish settlers but how well? I'd be so heated if I didn?t get the complete value of my home. Do these people have time to get there furniture and stuff, it seems pretty sudden.

This must be an incredibly expensive maneuver by the Israeli government.

And the horrible thing is that it won't help a bit. It will just encourage the terrorist to heat up their campaign because they won one!

No, it just tells us that you also think and would act like the monsters.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: ViciouS
Yes I know it's for the better of the world, but wow, it would suck if I just bought a house and I was forced to move out of it. I'm sure they are compensating the Jewish settlers but how well? I'd be so heated if I didn?t get the complete value of my home. Do these people have time to get there furniture and stuff, it seems pretty sudden.

This must be an incredibly expensive maneuver by the Israeli government.

This could happen to you if you live in the United States. The liberals have changed definitions again and in this case "public use" includes the ability to get more tax revenue. Fair compensation also means what they want it to mean so don't expect go get more than the balance of your mortgage.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: ViciouS

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ViciouS
what is the religous purpose of moving into gaza?

to claim back the holy land

Holy cow we are going to keep killing eachother over god till we are all dead....

I'm not sure that everyone knows that by God you meant Allah and not the Christian or Jewish God.

However, the answer is probably.


Why non-Muslims will probably all eventually be murdered

9:29 Fight [q-t-l]http:// those among the people of the Book [Christians] who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and do not profess the true religion, till they pay the poll-tax out of hand and submissively.

As long as the goal is to kill or convert any non-believer of Allah then the answer is a qualified yes.

Here are a few of scary points.
1. The bible says that the end of the world will be prefaced by the entire world being at war with Israel.
2. Israel will now could fall under the control of the Islamic Jihadists.
3. The over whelming majority (I've heard 95% bantered about) of the conflicts around the world involve conflicts over the Islamic religion.

Put it together the entire world may soon be at war with Israel where most of the Jewish have fled or had their heads cut off in a show of support for Allah. (I refuse to believe Allah is even a god because a true god or God would not be so cruel.)

Even Belgium and England are starting to wake up to what has happened with the inflitration of the Muslim population.

It is one thing to be accepting of a religion. (Yes, I know liberals mostly don't accept any religion.) It is another thing to accept a religion that says your head should be cut off if you insult the religion. Now, liberals, are you not glad the Christian religion is a true religion and not like the Islamic religion?


Edited to fix the link and add the quote. Apparently using the quote as text to the link failed.

 

[Czar]

ExpertNovice,
that amount of trolling I havent seen in a long time

 

[CaptnKirk]

Was not the bulk of the Jewish Immigration into the West Bank and Gaza the moving of Jews from other countries, like Russia, into that area.
Isreal didn't bring them in (on US Taxpayer expense) to live in Isreal, but to bulk up the jewish presence in that region - outside of Isreal proper.

Now while many have lived there for some extended time, the expansion of the jewish population there has been since 1990 - the last 15 years.
Even then, they didn't pay for what the got, it was provided by the joint financing of US money & Isreali politics.

Isreali Politics have changed since Sharron no longer has to deal with his life-long Nemisis, and enemy - Arafat
(Like Batman's Joker or Penguin - everlasting battle till all eternity)

Those in the Gaza Strip were offered between $ 200,000 - $ 300,000 to leave the land and houses that they had been given free of charge originally.
If they relocate, they have a pretty large nest egg to start with, and maybe, just maybe, that region can get on with non-confrontational living.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: Czar
There are a few reasons I think made this all happen.

1. Sharon saw that in no way he could realisticly hold all that land, he does not have religous duty to claim the holy land as he said himself in an interview once, he is an athiest and only wants what is best for the safety of Israel. This is a long term plan which started with the wall in the west bank. In the end Israel will claim what is inside the wall without talking to anyone and expect people to accept it.

2. Bush has been a strong supporter of the roadmap and continualy has to remind Israel when it violates it. Mostly with expanding settlements. It could be that Bush managed to influence Sharon somewhat. The pullout is though definetly an idea brought forth by Sharon or someone close to him, not from Bush and co.

3. In the last few days Sharon said to the jewish extremists who have been attacking palestinians in both west bank and gaza that they should attack him instead since he is responsible. It is possible that Sharon is creating his own legacy by making this image of a hopefull settlement with the palestinians and possibly making himself a martir like Rabin.

I think nr1 is by far the most likely possibility but its possible that it has been influenced by the last two, hard to say.

The reason for dismantling settlements is to avoid Israeli Arab majority in the near future ~ a scenario any die hard Zionist wants to avoid.

 

[Stunt]

You only have to pay compensation if you DON'T pull out 😉

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
It is one thing to be accepting of a religion. (Yes, I know liberals mostly don't accept any religion.) It is another thing to accept a religion that says your head should be cut off if you insult the religion. Now, liberals, are you not glad the Christian religion is a true religion and not like the Islamic religion?

So what about all those heretics who were burned at the stake for 'subverting' the Christian church? Oh, and how did they subvert the Christian church? They translated the bible into languages people could actually read vs Latin, they questioned the church whoring itself out through the sale of indulgences, they questioned all of the icons in the then Christian church as a counterpoint to the commandment against worshiping idols, they developed scientific theories (many of which still stand today) which didn't mesh with the official church view of the natural world.

Seems pretty much up the same alley to me.

Oh, and during the time after Constantine became a Christian and he 'Christianized' most of Europe, it was standard operating procedure to tell a captured soldier or civilian 'commit to our God now or die'.

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: ViciouS
Yes I know it's for the better of the world, but wow, it would suck if I just bought a house and I was forced to move out of it. I'm sure they are compensating the Jewish settlers but how well? I'd be so heated if I didn?t get the complete value of my home. Do these people have time to get there furniture and stuff, it seems pretty sudden.

This must be an incredibly expensive maneuver by the Israeli government.

Don't worry, the American taxpayer will pay.

Yeah because those are a bunch of American soldiers I see on TV escorting Israeli?s out of Gaza? What?s with people and making ridiculous statements like that?

America a world power, and the most powerful, in most cases yes its us who is policing the world. If you don?t like paying for it move to a non world power like Canada or basically any where else other than the US or Britain. You will love it there and you can spare us your whining.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: ViciouS

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: ViciouS
Yes I know it's for the better of the world, but wow, it would suck if I just bought a house and I was forced to move out of it. I'm sure they are compensating the Jewish settlers but how well? I'd be so heated if I didn?t get the complete value of my home. Do these people have time to get there furniture and stuff, it seems pretty sudden.

This must be an incredibly expensive maneuver by the Israeli government.

Don't worry, the American taxpayer will pay.

Yeah because those are a bunch of American soldiers I see on TV escorting Israeli?s out of Gaza? What?s with people and making ridiculous statements like that?

No, it's because our $3B+ yearly assistance to the Israeli government pays for a good portion of these efforts. In fact, the Israeli government asked for additional funds from the US to pay for the relocation that is currently going on. So there is absolutely nothing ridiculous about the comment.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Czar
ExpertNovice,
that amount of trolling I havent seen in a long time

Trolling now means pointing out reality and perceptions? Sorry that is another definition change that I don't abide by.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[ViciouS]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You only have to pay compensation if you DON'T pull out 😉

LOL! Pulling out is important no matter what she says...!

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
It is one thing to be accepting of a religion. (Yes, I know liberals mostly don't accept any religion.) It is another thing to accept a religion that says your head should be cut off if you insult the religion. Now, liberals, are you not glad the Christian religion is a true religion and not like the Islamic religion?

So what about all those heretics who were burned at the stake for 'subverting' the Christian church? Oh, and how did they subvert the Christian church? They translated the bible into languages people could actually read vs Latin, they questioned the church whoring itself out through the sale of indulgences, they questioned all of the icons in the then Christian church as a counterpoint to the commandment against worshiping idols, they developed scientific theories (many of which still stand today) which didn't mesh with the official church view of the natural world.

Seems pretty much up the same alley to me.

Oh, and during the time after Constantine became a Christian and he 'Christianized' most of Europe, it was standard operating procedure to tell a captured soldier or civilian 'commit to our God now or die'.

I'm curious about why this is not being reported today? Neither the liberal nor conservative media outlets are reporting it. Perhaps you are talking about a small segment of the population that abused the religion to gain power. Unfortunately that is what is done all too frequently regardless of the organization. Environmentalists do it, religious zealots do it.

Now, show me in the Bible where it says we should attack non-believers and cut their heads off if they defame Christian religons. When you do, I will immediately ceaase being a Christian and will respond to Christians as I did earlier.

Of course, you may also be one that says if any action is taken on the part of a group whether ther group supported the action or not that group should be condemned. If so, be careful of joining any groups.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: Czar
ExpertNovice,
that amount of trolling I havent seen in a long time

Trolling now means pointing out reality and perceptions? Sorry that is another definition change that I don't abide by.

Thank you for your opinion.

No, you were trolling.

Look at what you wrote. You write stuff along the lines of "England being inflitrated by Muslims" and expect people not to take it as a troll?! ISLAM is a religion, MUSLIMS are not a RACE, are just people with ideas about spirituality and the world! There is no contradiction in the least bit to being a British Muslim, or a Belgian Muslim, or a European Muslim in general, yet many people want to point out its "impossible" or "unnatural".
There is nothing "non European" about Islam, and the these are the ideas that create seperation and friction.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: mrCide
i think i read one quote saying something along the lines of 'they are taking our land and giving it to the palestinians thats wrong' which is so hypocritical and disgusting. then that one settler pulled a soldiers gun and killed 4 palestians.. go israeli settlers! i have no pity for them.

sharon has ulterior motives here anyhow, but it looks pretty to everyone else 🙂

I suspect ulterior motives in this move as well. What do you speculate they might be? By pulling people out of Gaza, is Isreal removing a possible point of civilian/terror retaliation against some big military offensive they might be secretly planning against Palestine? What do other people think? Is this move purely to be taken at face value or is something else in the works?

 

[ViciouS]

It seems to me that both sides are pretty hard headed and no one really wants a resolution. No one will be happy till the other is gone, and that?s not going to happen. They should be making more of an effort to live together instead of separating.

That being said, I want to have Gwen Stefani's children, or atleast drink her bathwater.

 

[rahvin]

Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

 

[Klixxer]

This is a gestrure, i want pace for the region in my mhildrens time

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

The pentalty for failing to comply with the evacuation and having to be forceably removed is forfiet of 1/3 of the grant money.

Today the Isreali's move bulldozers into the settlements and tear down the empty houses.

I was under the imperssion that they would be deeded to the Palestine Representative Government. I guess that only applies to the Greenhouses.
Makes sense - the displaced settlers can't return to residential structures if they are not left standing.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: rahvin
Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

The pentalty for failing to comply with the evacuation and having to be forceably removed is forfiet of 1/3 of the grant money.

Today the Isreali's move bulldozers into the settlements and tear down the empty houses.

I was under the imperssion that they would be deeded to the Palestine Representative Government. I guess that only applies to the Greenhouses.
Makes sense - the displaced settlers can't return to residential structures if they are not left standing.

The PLO and the Israeli government agreed they would be demolished. The Palestinians plan of creating alot more denser housing there instead.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: rahvin
Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

The pentalty for failing to comply with the evacuation and having to be forceably removed is forfiet of 1/3 of the grant money.

Today the Isreali's move bulldozers into the settlements and tear down the empty houses.

I was under the imperssion that they would be deeded to the Palestine Representative Government. I guess that only applies to the Greenhouses.
Makes sense - the displaced settlers can't return to residential structures if they are not left standing.

Not the greemhouses either it seems.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: rahvin
Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

The pentalty for failing to comply with the evacuation and having to be forceably removed is forfiet of 1/3 of the grant money.

Today the Isreali's move bulldozers into the settlements and tear down the empty houses.

I was under the imperssion that they would be deeded to the Palestine Representative Government. I guess that only applies to the Greenhouses.
Makes sense - the displaced settlers can't return to residential structures if they are not left standing.

Not the greemhouses either it seems.

The greenhouses were sold to the Palestinians for around 14 Million US dollars.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: rahvin
Didn't see it posted in the thread, NPR said they were being paid $240,000 if they left before the deadline of monday. If they were forcibly evicted then the payment was either 1/4 of the amount offered or nothing at all, I don't remember which.

The pentalty for failing to comply with the evacuation and having to be forceably removed is forfiet of 1/3 of the grant money.

Today the Isreali's move bulldozers into the settlements and tear down the empty houses.

I was under the imperssion that they would be deeded to the Palestine Representative Government. I guess that only applies to the Greenhouses.
Makes sense - the displaced settlers can't return to residential structures if they are not left standing.

Not the greemhouses either it seems.

The greenhouses were sold to the Palestinians for around 14 Million US dollars.

sold?

what I heard was that alot of them were dismanteled and reassembled somewhere in Isreal, but some where left behind. But.. sold makes perfect sense, free would be waaay to generous for this conflict 😛

 

[CaptnKirk]

Last I heard was that they were being used in an economic transfer to the Philistines for $ 4,000 per unit - free enterprise.