Gays can now be fired for being gay

[Sspidie99]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: maluckey
Any time that your conduct adversely affects the performance of other employees, you are likely to run into problems with your employer. If my lifestyle is to dress as a Circus Clown, because I feel it is my identity, then my employer has a right to refuse clownish behavior on the clock. What I do apart from the company is my own private business however.

As of 2004, there are no valid scientific studies to show that homosexuality is inherited. This means it is a lifestyle. Sure, maybe you didn't choose this lifestyle, but it is the one you have, and must be kept out of work if it affects the performance of others at your workplace. If your co-workers are OK with your behavior, then I see no reason to apply the stricter standards.
Until science proves you have no choice, you must respect those that do not share your views.

That being said, my college roommate was a lesbian, and though she didn't hate men, most of her friend did. Her friends were smart enough to know that some of them had behavior that could affect their friends relationship with me, and the sharing of a great apartment. They all behaved accordingly in the apartment, and around me. What they did elsewhere I didn't care to know, or even ask.

Well said.

Horse manure if it was well said. It is logically fallacious. As of 2004, there are no valid scientific studies to show that homosexuality is or isn't inherited and that means we don't know the exact reason why some people are born gay. We are not at the end of a full understanding of genetics or the development of the human brain. What we can trust is true, since nobody who is straight will willingly start loving the same sex to prove it's choice, is that homosexuality is not a choice. All the prejudice against gays is based on the notion that these otherwise saintly individuals choose a path of evil and can be condemned for it. The truth behind that prejudice has died as has the notion that man was created 6000 years ago and tons of other garbage from the past enshrined in worshiped, but obviously false, ancient texts.

Now given that homosexuality is not very likely a choice, and given that it is not evil, no gay person has any moral or legal obligation not to express who he is simply because others are offended. This would be like saying I can't hire black people because all my employees who are vital to the success of my company hate and are offended by blacks. If you are a bigot your fate is a life of disgust with things all around you. Bigotry is the irrational connection of the faculty of disgust with some external factor, broccoli or gays. We do not have to cater to the insanity of bigots. They can seek psychiatric counseling as they should since they suffer a mental disease. The problem with bigots is that they want to pretend that it's you who are sick and not them, because they can see their mental illness only in others and never in themselves. Bigotry is a form of denial of one own internal feeling of worthlessness. Catering to that mental illness is like handing out welfare to blacks. We should have national health insurance for them to seek treatment, but we can't engage in behaviors that coddle their mental illness. To do so would produce generations of mentally handicapped people who can't function properly in the world.

We do not have to cater to the insanity of homosexuals. They can seek psychiatric counseling as they should since they suffer a mental disease. The problem with homosexuals is that they want to pretend that it's you who are sick and not them, because they can see their mental illness only in others and never in themselves. Homosexuality is a form of denial of one own internal feeling of worthlessness. Catering to that mental illness is like handing out welfare to blacks. We should have national health insurance for them to seek treatment, but we can't engage in behaviors that coddle their mental illness. To do so would produce generations of mentally handicapped people who can't function properly in the world.

Oh boy, it guess we can all go back to the 50's again. This time maybe shock treat will actually take the gayness out of homosexuals. Maybe we should also force people who have preferences for blondes and redheads to the same treatment. Maybe we should dump them into water until they give up their homosexuality. Back to the days of Salem. Maybe homosexuals are nothing more than witches and warlocks.

 

[maluckey]

I agree, contrary to what people may think.

If you want to have a same sex relationship, go for it. The argument for or against a preference falls out the window when you disrupt work, others that depend on you, or you on them. If I worked for a Gay newspaper, and constantly disrupted people with my lifestyle spilling over to the workplace, I should be fired like anyone else. That's the acid test. If it seems reasonable in both ways, then you are likely O.K, with a few exceptions.

I have gay friends, and they understand that I don't choose their orientation. They keep their sexual comments, and their actions to those of the community around them. I have been clubbing with them in days past, and their demeanor is totally different. In that environment, they do as they please, and it's MY orientation that is a possible issue. They return to work the next day, just like the rest of the oofice, just doing their job. No drama, hystrionics or flameouts. Understanding MUST go both ways, if it is to work at all.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Sspidie99

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: maluckey
Any time that your conduct adversely affects the performance of other employees, you are likely to run into problems with your employer. If my lifestyle is to dress as a Circus Clown, because I feel it is my identity, then my employer has a right to refuse clownish behavior on the clock. What I do apart from the company is my own private business however.

As of 2004, there are no valid scientific studies to show that homosexuality is inherited. This means it is a lifestyle. Sure, maybe you didn't choose this lifestyle, but it is the one you have, and must be kept out of work if it affects the performance of others at your workplace. If your co-workers are OK with your behavior, then I see no reason to apply the stricter standards.
Until science proves you have no choice, you must respect those that do not share your views.

That being said, my college roommate was a lesbian, and though she didn't hate men, most of her friend did. Her friends were smart enough to know that some of them had behavior that could affect their friends relationship with me, and the sharing of a great apartment. They all behaved accordingly in the apartment, and around me. What they did elsewhere I didn't care to know, or even ask.

Well said.

Horse manure if it was well said. It is logically fallacious. As of 2004, there are no valid scientific studies to show that homosexuality is or isn't inherited and that means we don't know the exact reason why some people are born gay. We are not at the end of a full understanding of genetics or the development of the human brain. What we can trust is true, since nobody who is straight will willingly start loving the same sex to prove it's choice, is that homosexuality is not a choice. All the prejudice against gays is based on the notion that these otherwise saintly individuals choose a path of evil and can be condemned for it. The truth behind that prejudice has died as has the notion that man was created 6000 years ago and tons of other garbage from the past enshrined in worshiped, but obviously false, ancient texts.

Now given that homosexuality is not very likely a choice, and given that it is not evil, no gay person has any moral or legal obligation not to express who he is simply because others are offended. This would be like saying I can't hire black people because all my employees who are vital to the success of my company hate and are offended by blacks. If you are a bigot your fate is a life of disgust with things all around you. Bigotry is the irrational connection of the faculty of disgust with some external factor, broccoli or gays. We do not have to cater to the insanity of bigots. They can seek psychiatric counseling as they should since they suffer a mental disease. The problem with bigots is that they want to pretend that it's you who are sick and not them, because they can see their mental illness only in others and never in themselves. Bigotry is a form of denial of one own internal feeling of worthlessness. Catering to that mental illness is like handing out welfare to blacks. We should have national health insurance for them to seek treatment, but we can't engage in behaviors that coddle their mental illness. To do so would produce generations of mentally handicapped people who can't function properly in the world.

We do not have to cater to the insanity of homosexuals. They can seek psychiatric counseling as they should since they suffer a mental disease. The problem with homosexuals is that they want to pretend that it's you who are sick and not them, because they can see their mental illness only in others and never in themselves. Homosexuality is a form of denial of one own internal feeling of worthlessness. Catering to that mental illness is like handing out welfare to blacks. We should have national health insurance for them to seek treatment, but we can't engage in behaviors that coddle their mental illness. To do so would produce generations of mentally handicapped people who can't function properly in the world.

Oh boy, it guess we can all go back to the 50's again. This time maybe shock treat will actually take the gayness out of homosexuals. Maybe we should also force people who have preferences for blondes and redheads to the same treatment. Maybe we should dump them into water until they give up their homosexuality. Back to the days of Salem. Maybe homosexuals are nothing more than witches and warlocks.

I think it was the 70's when they decided it wasnt insanity. Anyways, I harbor no more ill feelings toward an homosexual than an alcoholic or the lady down the street with 85 cats. As a second opinion I would have to agree with your assertion that homosexuality is merely a sexual preference though.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

What we can trust is true, since nobody who is straight will willingly start loving the same sex to prove it's choice, is that homosexuality is not a choice.

You can't draw that conclusion. The only thing that is true is that we don't know EITHER WAY.

Now, people cannot be fired simply for being gay. However, they can be fired if their lifestyle affects their productivity, or the productivity of the company as a whole. It is no different for a straight person. If I came to work once a week plastered because of a wild night of group sex and partying, and I am irritable all day long, I can be fired. So, the question here isn't whether or not gays or not are being treated any differently that heterosexuals, but whether or not homosexuals should be able to use their sexuality to gain an unfair advantage in the workplace.

That's amazing. Use their homosexuality to gain an unfair advantage in the workplace? You mean like a black coming in drunk and claiming it's ok to be drunk if you're black? When protections are extended to the unprotected exactly like they are to the protected already, why do the protected allways feel it's unfair. You think protection is like pie and if somebodt gits some you'll get less. Try to use your head and see the issue objectively.

Yes, exactly. If I was a white employeer, I would be scared silly to fire an African American solely because of the extra protection they are given under the law. I'm not worried about my "piece of the pie", as you put it... I worried about the abuses of the system that will, and DO, happen. Everyone is equal. Period.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We're not talking about protecting people who are homosexual but effective at their jobs from being discriminated solely because somehow they are known to be gay but their behavior comports in every other way like other people in the work place.

If their behavior at work is comports to the standard, then there should be no problem, IMO.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Almost everyone here has missed the fact that OP's topic is misleading. There is nothing in the article that says this is going to be allowed. If this post goes to 5 pages, it's because people are not reading the article.

 

[MonkeyK]

Yes, exactly. If I was a white employeer, I would be scared silly to fire an African American solely because of the extra protection they are given under the law. I'm not worried about my "piece of the pie", as you put it... I worried about the abuses of the system that will, and DO, happen. Everyone is equal. Period.

daniel1113,
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but could you show me the "extra protection" that African Americans enjoy under the law?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

If you do well document his incompetence and other things that give due cause for the firing you will have no trouble. Employers
simply make alot of mistakes when firing people. You have to have a good reason in a state like florida. You cannot fire anyone without a reason.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
If you do well document his incompetence and other things that give due cause for the firing you will have no trouble. Employers
simply make alot of mistakes when firing people. You have to have a good reason in a state like florida. You cannot fire anyone without a reason.

I didn't realize you had to have a reason to fire someone from a private company. Why can't the government get off our backs?