Gay-Straight Alliance school clubs decried

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

Do you see groups of monomaniacal teenage political-extremist zombies (particularly twice-banned white-supremacist ones) as the new trendy fad trying to take over traditional society?

In at least one case, yes. On the other hand, I have never seen or heard of homosexuals trying to take over "traditional society."

I wonder if it would be possible to find a single person, anywhere, that had changed his or her lifestyle as a result of being exposed to gay people. As a straight guy who really likes being a member of a race with two sexes, I have a hard time imagining any scenario where I'd decide that this sex with dudes stuff sounds cool and abandoning my heterosexual, monogomous relationship to give it a try.

ive met a few. drugs were involved tho, so take that for what its worth.


i dont think schools should have any clubs. education only. leave the bibles and knee pads at home.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

Do you see groups of monomaniacal teenage political-extremist zombies (particularly twice-banned white-supremacist ones) as the new trendy fad trying to take over traditional society?

In at least one case, yes. On the other hand, I have never seen or heard of homosexuals trying to take over "traditional society."

I wonder if it would be possible to find a single person, anywhere, that had changed his or her lifestyle as a result of being exposed to gay people. As a straight guy who really likes being a member of a race with two sexes, I have a hard time imagining any scenario where I'd decide that this sex with dudes stuff sounds cool and abandoning my heterosexual, monogomous relationship to give it a try.

ive met a few. drugs were involved tho, so take that for what its worth.


i dont think schools should have any clubs. education only. leave the bibles and knee pads at home.

Well as far as your first point is concerned, I would submit that people who "experiment" were almost certainly that way to begin with, I think more people are bi-sexual than would admit it, but no lifestyle change really happened.

As to your second point, I couldn't disagree more. School is really about preparing you for the rest of your life, and the facts you learn in the classroom are not the more important part of that. It's education alright, but not just the kind you get in English Lit.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
Do you see groups of monomaniacal teenage political-extremist zombies (particularly twice-banned white-supremacist ones) as the new trendy fad trying to take over traditional society?

In at least one case, yes. On the other hand, I have never seen or heard of homosexuals trying to take over "traditional society."

I guess I should be honored that you consider me to be a trendy fad.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: zendari
These people say these clubs aren't promoting the gay lifestyle; who are they kidding?

Just so we're all on the same page, please fully and explicitly define what you mean by the word "promote" as it pertains to the gay agenda.

And while you're at it, please fully and explicity describe what the "gay agenda" is.

Time for you to stop using vague, inflammatory language, and to instead to be specific. I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well as far as your first point is concerned, I would submit that people who "experiment" were almost certainly that way to begin with, I think more people are bi-sexual than would admit it, but no lifestyle change really happened.

As to your second point, I couldn't disagree more. School is really about preparing you for the rest of your life, and the facts you learn in the classroom are not the more important part of that. It's education alright, but not just the kind you get in English Lit.

Lovely thinking. I guess theres no way for anyone to change their life due to radical homosexual propaganda if you think people who do so aren't changing their lives to begin with.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
this world is full of all kinds of different people. These groups promote tolerance and understanding.

you could benefit from some exposure to both tolerance and understanding.

Maybe they should do their "promoting" elsewhere away from our children.

You have no children... nor should you have any. The only place that's dirty enough to put your genes is your dusty sock.

There's no danger that Zendari will ever propgate his genes. This is not original with me, but I believe that Zendari is actual a closet homosexual who can't come to terms with his own sexuality. That hate you see on these forums is actually misdirected self-hate.

Did you ever see Zendari's original Avatar? It was a woman in surgical scrubs. Why would a man comfortable with his own sexuality adopt such an Avatar?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
These people say these clubs aren't promoting the gay lifestyle; who are they kidding?

Just so we're all on the same page, please fully and explicitly define what you mean by the word "promote" as it pertains to the gay agenda.
And while you're at it, please fully and explicity describe what the "gay agenda" is.
Time for you to stop using vague, inflammatory language, and to instead to be specific. I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh.

I'm not a member of the gay agenda, so I wouldn't know, but it seems to me like their primary objective is recruitment to their deviant behavior.

As for my avatar, I just picked one at random.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari

Do you see groups of monomaniacal teenage political-extremist zombies (particularly twice-banned white-supremacist ones) as the new trendy fad trying to take over traditional society?

In at least one case, yes. On the other hand, I have never seen or heard of homosexuals trying to take over "traditional society."

I wonder if it would be possible to find a single person, anywhere, that had changed his or her lifestyle as a result of being exposed to gay people. As a straight guy who really likes being a member of a race with two sexes, I have a hard time imagining any scenario where I'd decide that this sex with dudes stuff sounds cool and abandoning my heterosexual, monogomous relationship to give it a try.

ive met a few. drugs were involved tho, so take that for what its worth.


i dont think schools should have any clubs. education only. leave the bibles and knee pads at home.

Well as far as your first point is concerned, I would submit that people who "experiment" were almost certainly that way to begin with, I think more people are bi-sexual than would admit it, but no lifestyle change really happened.

As to your second point, I couldn't disagree more. School is really about preparing you for the rest of your life, and the facts you learn in the classroom are not the more important part of that. It's education alright, but not just the kind you get in English Lit.

1. i knew one guy really well. i think he would have told me he was gay, but who knows? the others, 2 actually, have just ruined their lives anyway so they are just screwed up regardless of where they sling it.

2. i used to think the same way until i realized you cant have it that way when it comes to clubs and other activities. students get enough education dealing with their peers. these clubs do some good, but mostly just cause controversy and division, which detracts from the education students are there for. school should give you the basic skills to survive on your own in the real world. the social aspect should be left to families, friends, etc. students arent forced to join these clubs, its volutary. so let them seek it out on their own, outside of school.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
this world is full of all kinds of different people. These groups promote tolerance and understanding.

you could benefit from some exposure to both tolerance and understanding.

Maybe they should do their "promoting" elsewhere away from our children.

You have no children... nor should you have any. The only place that's dirty enough to put your genes is your dusty sock.

I second this motion. Zendari the Zealot should have no kids. All in Favor?

Im with you on that one.

But seriously man. Come on. I was a member of one of these clubs in high school due to my brother being gay and it helped me and alot of my numbnuts friends understand alot of the issues that gay/lesbians deal with everyday that you wouldn't think about until you hear it in a group like this. Your either gay or your not man simple as that, no club is gonna influence a young person to be gay. Use some sense. I have an older brother thats been gay for as Long as I can remember, and it never once caused me to even contimplate that I was a homosexual. And your post about would you like having your kids hang around drugies is just asinine. With that type of logic we should take all the dare programs outta the schools since they will turn our kids into druggies right?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
But seriously man. Come on. I was a member of one of these clubs in high school due to my brother being gay and it helped me and alot of my numbnuts friends understand alot of the issues that gay/lesbians deal with everyday that you wouldn't think about until you hear it in a group like this. Your either gay or your not man simple as that, no club is gonna influence a young person to be gay. Use some sense. I have an older brother thats been gay for as Long as I can remember, and it never once caused me to even contimplate that I was a homosexual. And your post about would you like having your kids hang around drugies is just asinine. With that type of logic we should take all the dare programs outta the schools since they will turn our kids into druggies right?

Dare programs encourage our kids to turn away from drugs. I fully encourage clubs and school meetings to encourage our kids to turn away from homosexuality and premarital relations.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
These people say these clubs aren't promoting the gay lifestyle; who are they kidding?

Just so we're all on the same page, please fully and explicitly define what you mean by the word "promote" as it pertains to the gay agenda.
And while you're at it, please fully and explicity describe what the "gay agenda" is.
Time for you to stop using vague, inflammatory language, and to instead to be specific. I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh.

I'm not a member of the gay agenda, so I wouldn't know, but it seems to me like their primary objective is recruitment to their deviant behavior.

You "wouldn't know"? You're accusing gays of an agenda you can't even define? Neat trick.

As to your "it seems to me" guess: As I'm sure you know, there's ZERO evidence that anyone can be "recruited" into a homosexual lifestyle. So why would gays waste their time - year after year after year - on so futile an enterprise?

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
this world is full of all kinds of different people. These groups promote tolerance and understanding.

you could benefit from some exposure to both tolerance and understanding.

Maybe they should do their "promoting" elsewhere away from our children.

Yeah, I really hate it when them homos come knocking at my door and tell my children the wonders of being gay.


Not that I really respect any reasoning for being homophobic/anti-gay, yada yada yada, but to think that gays "recruit" is such a weak argument. It's almost as bad as being afraid of 'reds' coming to recruit you back in the day.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: shira
You "wouldn't know"? You're accusing gays of an agenda you can't even define? Neat trick.

As to your "it seems to me" guess: As I'm sure you know, there's ZERO evidence that anyone can be "recruited" into a homosexual lifestyle. So why would gays waste their time - year after year after year - on so futile an enterprise?

Sure they can. There was not much of a gay marraige problem during the Clinton years, but over the last few years radical lunatics have kept trying to strengthen the homosexual movement. Theyve already succeeded in a couple liberal areas.

I only wish that it was such a futile enterprise but there are some people foolish enough to believe the propaganda.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
But seriously man. Come on. I was a member of one of these clubs in high school due to my brother being gay and it helped me and alot of my numbnuts friends understand alot of the issues that gay/lesbians deal with everyday that you wouldn't think about until you hear it in a group like this. Your either gay or your not man simple as that, no club is gonna influence a young person to be gay. Use some sense. I have an older brother thats been gay for as Long as I can remember, and it never once caused me to even contimplate that I was a homosexual. And your post about would you like having your kids hang around drugies is just asinine. With that type of logic we should take all the dare programs outta the schools since they will turn our kids into druggies right?

Dare programs encourage our kids to turn away from drugs. I fully encourage clubs and school meetings to encourage our kids to turn away from homosexuality and premarital relations.

DARE programs are a poor second to good parenting. If you feel so strongly about your kids sexual behavior, be a freaking parent and do your job. Don't try to make everyone follow your moral compass. I personally think programs you propose teach terrible ethical lessons to kids, so which of us gets to decide who's moral lessons are taught in schools? Well here's a novel solution, neither! You teach your kids whatever ass backwards ideas you may have about human sexuality, and I'll teach my kids my ideas. I see no responsibility on my part to help you make sure society reinforces your silly views, just like I don't expect society to support mine.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
But seriously man. Come on. I was a member of one of these clubs in high school due to my brother being gay and it helped me and alot of my numbnuts friends understand alot of the issues that gay/lesbians deal with everyday that you wouldn't think about until you hear it in a group like this. Your either gay or your not man simple as that, no club is gonna influence a young person to be gay. Use some sense. I have an older brother thats been gay for as Long as I can remember, and it never once caused me to even contimplate that I was a homosexual. And your post about would you like having your kids hang around drugies is just asinine. With that type of logic we should take all the dare programs outta the schools since they will turn our kids into druggies right?

Dare programs encourage our kids to turn away from drugs. I fully encourage clubs and school meetings to encourage our kids to turn away from homosexuality and premarital relations.

And the gay straight alliences encourage kids to accept people that are different then they are and not resort to violence to resolve difference between themselves and others. Like I said Ive attended meetings of this kind and all it is is a support group to help kids understand that they are not alone and give couping skills on how to deal with difficult situations. And most if not all of these groups do promote waiting to have sex.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: shira
You "wouldn't know"? You're accusing gays of an agenda you can't even define? Neat trick.

As to your "it seems to me" guess: As I'm sure you know, there's ZERO evidence that anyone can be "recruited" into a homosexual lifestyle. So why would gays waste their time - year after year after year - on so futile an enterprise?

Sure they can. There was not much of a gay marraige problem during the Clinton years, but over the last few years radical lunatics have kept trying to strengthen the homosexual movement. Theyve already succeeded in a couple liberal areas.

I only wish that it was such a futile enterprise but there are some people foolish enough to believe the propaganda.

Look, you can believe whatever you want about gays...but I think it's important for you to at least be aware that every medical association disagrees with you. And since neither I nor you (I can only hope) are doctors, perhaps we should listen to them. You can't "become gay", so a "gay movement" is pointless, except a movement in search of equal rights. You're entitled to believe they are evil or amoral if you insist on it, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
These people say these clubs aren't promoting the gay lifestyle; who are they kidding?

Just so we're all on the same page, please fully and explicitly define what you mean by the word "promote" as it pertains to the gay agenda.
And while you're at it, please fully and explicity describe what the "gay agenda" is.
Time for you to stop using vague, inflammatory language, and to instead to be specific. I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh.

I'm not a member of the gay agenda, so I wouldn't know, but it seems to me like their primary objective is recruitment to their deviant behavior.

You know, for a while I thought you were just kidding around... but now I see that you really are a moron.

 

[engineereeyore]

I don't know about the whole "recruiting" process, but a straight person can become gay by hanging around gay people. My best friend in high school is a perfect example. He was as straight as they come, had sex with several girls. It wasn't until he moved in with a friend who's mother was gay that he became gay, and he'll be the first person to tell you that his environment had a huge impact.

As for gay's having a choice in being gay, let's face it, there is always a choice. Whether being gay is right or wrong is up to each person to decide, but the fact remains that choice was not deprived from them. Having gay tendencies in no different than a straight man having adulturous tendencies. Their both sexual desires that each is presented with. However, each has a choice as to how they will response to these impulses. You can't always control the thoughts you have, but you can always control how you handle them. If someone chooses to act on their thoughts, then they need to take responsibility for that. Everyone has a choice, gay or straight. It may not be easy, but it's still there.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Agrooreo

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
But seriously man. Come on. I was a member of one of these clubs in high school due to my brother being gay and it helped me and alot of my numbnuts friends understand alot of the issues that gay/lesbians deal with everyday that you wouldn't think about until you hear it in a group like this. Your either gay or your not man simple as that, no club is gonna influence a young person to be gay. Use some sense. I have an older brother thats been gay for as Long as I can remember, and it never once caused me to even contimplate that I was a homosexual. And your post about would you like having your kids hang around drugies is just asinine. With that type of logic we should take all the dare programs outta the schools since they will turn our kids into druggies right?

Dare programs encourage our kids to turn away from drugs. I fully encourage clubs and school meetings to encourage our kids to turn away from homosexuality and premarital relations.

And the gay straight alliences encourage kids to accept people that are different then they are and not resort to violence to resolve difference between themselves and others. Like I said Ive attended meetings of this kind and all it is is a support group to help kids understand that they are not alone and give couping skills on how to deal with difficult situations. And most if not all of these groups do promote waiting to have sex.

You don't understand the debate...that is exactly the problem people like zendari have with clubs like that. Sure, if there is some more socially acceptable reason ("it promotes sex!") to dislike the club, that's what they'll use. But the real issue is clubs that encourage kids to accept people that are different. They spend a lot of time trying to make their kids view people who are different the same way the parents do, and they'll be damned if some liberal educator is going to tell their kids that people with differences should be accepted the way they are.

I kid, but only a little bit. I don't like trying to read minds, but I've always found the whole gay debate kind of interesting, and very revealing if you read between the lines. Gay marriage offers the best example. The folks who are against it claim it's about the marriage part of it, they almost all claim to have no problem with gay people in general. But with very few exceptions, gay marriage is almost always mentioned as being between 2 men. This could be because gay women are far more accepted in society, but if the "gayness" isn't the issue, marriage is, why does it matter?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I don't know about the whole "recruiting" process, but a straight person can become gay by hanging around gay people. My best friend in high school is a perfect example. He was as straight as they come, had sex with several girls. It wasn't until he moved in with a friend who's mother was gay that he became gay, and he'll be the first person to tell you that his environment had a huge impact.

As for gay's having a choice in being gay, let's face it, there is always a choice. Whether being gay is right or wrong is up to each person to decide, but the fact remains that choice was not deprived from them. Having gay tendencies in no different than a straight man having adulturous tendencies. Their both sexual desires that each is presented with. However, each has a choice as to how they will response to these impulses. You can't always control the thoughts you have, but you can always control how you handle them. If someone chooses to act on their thoughts, then they need to take responsibility for that. Everyone has a choice, gay or straight. It may not be easy, but it's still there.

Well, for what it's worth, the vast majority of medical science disagrees with your single anecdote.

But even if that weren't the case, common sense should tell you that it's not a choice. You are, I assume, straight. Did you "choose" to be straight at some point, did you weigh the various options for sexual orientation and pick the one that sounded best? Well if you did, good for you, but I think most straight peopel are with me when I suggest that *I* didn't choose to be straight, so it seems silly to believe that a gay person decided to be gay. Or to put it another way, I find the idea that I could be "recruited" to bat for the other team rather silly. Do you think you could become gay? Not just have sex with a man, but really be attracted to him in the same way and on the same level that you are attracted to girls? I just can't imagine it.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, for what it's worth, the vast majority of medical science disagrees with your single anecdote.

But even if that weren't the case, common sense should tell you that it's not a choice. You are, I assume, straight. Did you "choose" to be straight at some point, did you weigh the various options for sexual orientation and pick the one that sounded best? Well if you did, good for you, but I think most straight peopel are with me when I suggest that *I* didn't choose to be straight, so it seems silly to believe that a gay person decided to be gay. Or to put it another way, I find the idea that I could be "recruited" to bat for the other team rather silly. Do you think you could become gay? Not just have sex with a man, but really be attracted to him in the same way and on the same level that you are attracted to girls? I just can't imagine it.

Dude, don't bother wasting your time. They don't believe in the scientific method... nor do they trust science. They only trust O'Reilly.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, for what it's worth, the vast majority of medical science disagrees with your single anecdote.

But even if that weren't the case, common sense should tell you that it's not a choice. You are, I assume, straight. Did you "choose" to be straight at some point, did you weigh the various options for sexual orientation and pick the one that sounded best? Well if you did, good for you, but I think most straight peopel are with me when I suggest that *I* didn't choose to be straight, so it seems silly to believe that a gay person decided to be gay. Or to put it another way, I find the idea that I could be "recruited" to bat for the other team rather silly. Do you think you could become gay? Not just have sex with a man, but really be attracted to him in the same way and on the same level that you are attracted to girls? I just can't imagine it.

Dude, don't bother wasting your time. They don't believe in the scientific method... nor do they trust science. They only trust O'Reilly.

I don't think it's O'Reilly so much as it is a matter of faith. Not in the religious sense, but in the intellectual sense. Some people prefer to have AN answer, correct or not, rather than searching for the right answer. It's a lot easier to simply dismiss gays as amoral than it is to puzzle over why they are gay and their role in society.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, for what it's worth, the vast majority of medical science disagrees with your single anecdote.

But even if that weren't the case, common sense should tell you that it's not a choice. You are, I assume, straight. Did you "choose" to be straight at some point, did you weigh the various options for sexual orientation and pick the one that sounded best? Well if you did, good for you, but I think most straight peopel are with me when I suggest that *I* didn't choose to be straight, so it seems silly to believe that a gay person decided to be gay. Or to put it another way, I find the idea that I could be "recruited" to bat for the other team rather silly. Do you think you could become gay? Not just have sex with a man, but really be attracted to him in the same way and on the same level that you are attracted to girls? I just can't imagine it.

Dude, don't bother wasting your time. They don't believe in the scientific method... nor do they trust science. They only trust O'Reilly.

I don't think it's O'Reilly so much as it is a matter of faith. Not in the religious sense, but in the intellectual sense. Some people prefer to have AN answer, correct or not, rather than searching for the right answer. It's a lot easier to simply dismiss gays as amoral than it is to puzzle over why they are gay and their role in society.

^^^^ Damn thats the best explanation of that Ive ever heard. I never thought of it that way. But that makes a whole hell of alot of sense.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well, for what it's worth, the vast majority of medical science disagrees with your single anecdote.

But even if that weren't the case, common sense should tell you that it's not a choice. You are, I assume, straight. Did you "choose" to be straight at some point, did you weigh the various options for sexual orientation and pick the one that sounded best? Well if you did, good for you, but I think most straight peopel are with me when I suggest that *I* didn't choose to be straight, so it seems silly to believe that a gay person decided to be gay. Or to put it another way, I find the idea that I could be "recruited" to bat for the other team rather silly. Do you think you could become gay? Not just have sex with a man, but really be attracted to him in the same way and on the same level that you are attracted to girls? I just can't imagine it.

Dude, don't bother wasting your time. They don't believe in the scientific method... nor do they trust science. They only trust O'Reilly.

Actually, I've never watched O'Reilly. It just amazes me though that so many people disbelieve that being in a gay surrounding can have an impact on someone, but they definitely don't have a problem with believing that being in a religious surrounding can have an impact.

To answer you're question, Rainsford, yes, I have contemplated my own sexual orientation. I have had, and continue to have, several friends who are gay. Do I think I could be gay? No, I just don't have the desire. Do most people in the world have this desire? No, but there are some that do. But as I stated before, there is no difference between these sexual feelings and those that lead to adultry. Do I have the desire to commit adultry? No. Do most people in the world have this desire? no, but there are some that do. We have no problem condeming these individuals for what they do, for the impact it has on their families. We even use it against them often in divorce cases. These people have to take responsibility for their actions as a result of their sexual desires. Why don't homosexuals? I'm not saying there needs to be any punishment or anything, because I don't feel that way. But just like adulterers, they need to recognize it's their choice, not there lack thereof that makes them who they are.

Do I think people can be recruited? Not really. Can it have an impact on someone? Yeah, I think it can. It may not be enough to make them gay, but it can still have an impact. I'm not even certain that I have any problems with these types of clubs. For the most part, I think a great majority of people could stand to have a little more tolerance of homosexuals. Doesn't mean they have to agree with what they're doing, but they should still be tolerant of them.

And dispite your belief, I have spent a great deal of time thinking of why people are gay and have actually asked my friends about it on occasion. I'll give it to you that not many people do and that your analysis is probably accurate for the majority of people, but hopefully that will change.

 

[magomago]

I might have to side with Zendari. If this is a "support group" for people, then it is questionable but I don't see the problem at all. However, if they talk about sexual acts at ALL then the club should be shutdown immediately. That type of discussion should not belong in school, save for health education class where you learn about the scientific part of it rather than "the moves that feel the best"

"sex clubs" shouldn't exist whether they are gay or straight, and if that club had things that might have looked like the average cover of "sixteen" with comments like "100 ways to spice up <font size="fvcking huge"> SEX LIFE </font> than I side with Zendari in that it should be shut down.

If it was just a support group, then that would be a different story...