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Gay Penguins raise young!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8081829.stm

I hate to be the progenitor of YAGayT on these pages, but this story is rather cool. Bring on the trolls... :roll:

Two "gay" male penguins have hatched a chick and are now rearing it as its adoptive parents, says a German zoo.

The zoo, in Bremerhaven, northern Germany, says the adult males - Z and Vielpunkt - were given an egg which was rejected by its biological parents.

It says the couple are now happily rearing the chick, said to have reached four weeks old.

The zoo made headlines in 2005 over plans to "test" the sexual orientation of penguins with homosexual traits.

Three pairs of male penguins had been seen attempting to mate with each other and trying to hatch offspring from stones. [ 🙁 poor penguins ]


Since the chick arrived, they have been behaving just as you would expect a heterosexual couple to do
Bremerhaven zoo

The zoo flew in four females in a bid to get the endangered birds to reproduce - but quickly abandoned the scheme after causing outrage among gay rights activists, who accused it of interfering in the animals' behaviour.

The six "gay" penguins remain at the zoo, among them Z and Vielpunkt who are now rearing the chick together after being given the rejected egg.

"Z and Vielpunkt, both males, gladly accepted their 'Easter gift' and got straight down to raising it," said a zoo statement.

"Since the chick arrived, they have been behaving just as you would expect a heterosexual couple to do. The two happy fathers spend their days attentively protecting, caring for and feeding their adopted offspring."

Humboldt penguins are normally found in coastal Peru and Chile, but their numbers have been dwindling due to overfishing, reports the AFP news agency.

'Drive to mate'

There have been previous reports of exclusive male-to-male pairings among penguins, some of which have also included the rearing of chicks.

Homosexual behaviour in is well documented in many different animals, but it is not understood in detail, says Professor Stuart West, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Oxford.

Professor West says it has been suggested that homosexual activity could serve various purposes - for instance, it may relate to social bonding and establishment of dominance among bonobo chimps, while in some bird species, females may come together to rear young.

Other animals may simply exhibit a "drive to mate", while others may, like humans, enjoy non-procreative sexual activity.

"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals," Bremerhaven zoo said on Wednesday.

"Sex and coupling up in our world do not necessarily have anything to do with reproduction."
 
Zin, your puny undeniable facts pale in comparison to the awesome power of biblically fueled Old Testament hate undergirded by the nearly unstoppable ignorance of the stupid, the slow and the sexually insecure.
 
Originally posted by: Perknose
Zin, your puny undeniable facts pale in comparison to the awesome power of biblically fueled Old Testament hate undergirded by the nearly unstoppable ignorance of the stupid, the slow and the sexually insecure.

damn. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?

No, it's only in the deviant urban animals :^D

yeah. not nearly enough windows to be treated and chaps to be worn in the wild, duh!
 
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?

No, it's only in the deviant urban animals :^D

yeah. not nearly enough windows to be treated and chaps to be worn in the wild, duh!

Wow, I was serious...

Seriously, I'm sure there are. Not every animal mates for life, so it's harder to track. Zoo animals have their (limited)choice of females, so it isn't like prison.
 
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?

Yes, across multiple, multiple species. The links have been posted here before by others, and there will be more to come as the observations are made and documented.

Homosexuality in species is a broad-based part of nature. Yet that hasn't stopped the socially slow from continuing to claim that homosexuality is wrong because it isn't natural.

Pathetic, no?

Facts don't matter to the feeble minded, nor to those who like to cloak their fear, insecurity and hate under the all encompassing rubric of "Yahweh Told Me So."
 
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?
It's actually more common than a lot of people realize I think, many animals in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. IIRC it's more common for male giraffes to mount fellow males than females.
 
Second case of this I've heard of in penguins. First pair, one of them ditched the other after a few years for a female, the other male never paired with a female.

Though it is complete and total BS that people are upset the zoo is trying to get them to breed with females. If the gay pair brakes up when introduced to females then it's in their nature to do so.
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?
It's actually more common than a lot of people realize I think, many animals in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. IIRC it's more common for male giraffes to mount fellow males than females.

I wonder how much of that is a dominance play more than true homosexuality.
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?

No, it's only in the deviant urban animals :^D

yeah. not nearly enough windows to be treated and chaps to be worn in the wild, duh!

Wow, I was serious...

Seriously, I'm sure there are. Not every animal mates for life, so it's harder to track. Zoo animals have their (limited)choice of females, so it isn't like prison.

Even animals that do mate for life, like swans, are hardly monogamous. A swan couple is a social construct, not a sexual one.

 
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Question: Does animal homosexuality of this nature occur in the wild?

Yes, across multiple, multiple species. The links have been posted here before by others, and there will be more to come as the observations are made and documented.

Homosexuality in species is a broad-based part of nature. Yet that hasn't stopped the socially slow from continuing to claim that homosexuality is wrong because it isn't natural.

Pathetic, no?

Facts don't matter to the feeble minded, nor to those who like to cloak their fear, insecurity and hate under the all encompassing rubric of "Yahweh Told Me So."

Just because something occurs in nature, doesn't really make it "natural". Okay, that may sound like circular logic, and... it kind of is. 😛
But seriously, the chemistry that drives life also drives mistakes. These mistakes often correct themselves by no breeding for that mistake, though sometimes it still gets to slip through. Life is subject to errors just as much as electronic equipment. So many areas where the slightest difference results in shockingly exaggerated outcomes, with rarely any parity to prevent. Certain gene sequences may be more prone to coding errors than others, which makes certain apparent mutations more common... potentially.

But another issue: socialization. It seems the majority of species, at least that I have seen linked to the phenomenon, are social creatures. Socialization may drive certain biological reactions in those with susceptible coding issues.

Essentially, I'm saying just as much as a fifth limb in creatures that normally have four is considered "unnatural", or at least a flaw in life, homosexuality in all species it has been observed in might be the same.
In short though, a small part of the reason I look at it that way, is because it offers no purpose in life to deviate from heterosexual reproduction. I think the only way it makes sense is in the sex that carries the fetus in some form, and specifically referencing asexuality in this case. Because then it could be just about maternal/parenting instincts for two females of a species to bond together.
But same-sex bonding like that in nature, it seems to provide no value for the species in comparison to remaining heterosexual. And no, there is no other point to life than ensuring the survival of the species and hopefully contributing to the gene pool, unless you suffer from degrading mutations that would otherwise put the species at risk in the future.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
The zoo flew in four females in a bid to get the endangered birds to reproduce - but quickly abandoned the scheme after causing outrage among gay rights activists, who accused it of interfering in the animals' behaviour.
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Wait a second... these activists think that introducing female penguins to male penguins is "interfering" but giving a live egg to 2 male penguins who mated and tried to hatch a rock isn't?
 
The zoo flew in four females in a bid to get the endangered birds to reproduce - but quickly abandoned the scheme after causing outrage among gay rights activists, who accused it of interfering in the animals' behaviour.

Wait, what? Allowing them to interact with females like they would in nature is "interfering in the animals' behavior?" 😕
 
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