Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
But t?ll we can reach this utopian state we have a vested interest in not putting a government stamp of approval on sex between people of the same sex, for the same reasons we don?t put a government stamp of approval on drinking or overeating.
I agree with your final goal fo a true separation of Church and State. Please tell me how homosexuality is akin to two habits that will kill you. If anything, the encouragement of monogamous relationships will make it safer. This is true for straights and gays.
Drinking won?t kill you unless you drink to much, but ?normal? amounts of homosexual sex leads to much higher levels of cancer, not to mention a plethora of other problems, here is a post I made some time ago:
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that has an interesting poll which reveals that 1/3rd of us in this forum are for traditional marriage, 1/3rd are for anyone marrying anyone else no matter, and 1/3rds some ware in-between.
People arguing ?it?ll help gays? should recognize that this is an overall attempt to change the moral norms of society so that none of us make any moral-judgments about anti-social behavior.
as for a more detaled account of what makes homosexual sex ethicly bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-aproval on it:
1.) male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.
2.)The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.
3.)female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.
4.)disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.
5.)the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average
6.)the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.
7.)the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.
you can disagree with these thigns being negative, but you'd better have an ethical basis for that view, otherwise your just ignorantly spouting off like so many others who's only reason for disagreeing is that they like to disagree.
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Some questions about that point of view wher brought up, and links to evidence for the facts
It is questionable as to why this is true, but suicide rates among gays is much
higher.
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Some disagree:
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but then some say it's not because of anti-gay bias:
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both of those are highly bias views though; the best is to look at actual surveys:
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not to mention other emotional trauma that being actively sexual in the homosexual community brings.
Same could be said of people who eat Mexican food or White Castles all the time!
And, what about the great # of heterosexuals who practice anal sex?
I was referring to anal sex, and the rupture is because the penile tears the soft-tissue of the colon, particularly the likelyhood of spreading desease.
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my one-stop shop for all the info i need on this:
Surgeon General
Actually, many don't think so. STDs and pregnancy are caused by lack of knowledge or lack of preparedness to have safe sex. Besides, teen pregnancies are declining.
you wouldn't have problems with STDs or out-of-marriage children if extra-marital sex wasn't a problem.
your welcome to propose more libertine 'solutions' to the problem, but even condoms are properly used 5% couples will have children within a year; When used as normally by humans 15%;
This shows that the only 'safe' sex is monogamous sex.
Planed Parenthood
Most would think it's lack of education and lack of personal resolve that encourages poverty.
this is OT, but if you are never encouraged to have personal resolve then you're going to lack it.
homosexuals are rampant in third world countries?
that has nothing at all to do with what I said. because the fact is still that:
7.)the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.
journal of nature
now I'll submit that it?s socially preferable to have people in monogamous relationships, but the idea that most gay marriage will be more monogamous is show to be less likely by both the statement of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance ?the archaic institution of monogamy is destructive to society and should be next to be eliminated? and the much increased likely hood of existing homosexuals to be part of the causal sex and random orgy seen.
Now moonie makes a good point that people on both sides of this should keep in mind:
It is important in any discussion of homosexuality to remember from time to time that we shouldn't hate the sinner only the sin.
then he, of course, spewed his bigoted view of what bigotry is.
As for Christ and Christians, no none of us should treat anyone worse for his sins, we should do what we can to express love for all, despite our personal disgust with all sin.
