Gay Marriage, religious or not?

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Netopia
If I'm too love my neighbor as myself (no jokes!) then I need to do my best to deliver to him the same information I would want.

And out of respect for your neighbor, you need to stop when he asks you and simply respect his difference of opinions. If you continue, all you'll do is alienate a friend.

🙂

Actually Harv... in real life I normally wouldn't even bring up another person's religious beleifs or differences in personal philosophies until THEY know me well enough to know that I can feel strongly about something in their life, and yet not feel judged PERSONALLY by me at all. They might feel the something negative about my religious beliefs, but so long as they don't equate "ME" with something I believe or some activity I partake in, then I don't take it personally either. If a person ever tells me they don't want to discuss something any longer, then I don't! It's hard to see those sorts of things on the web, since we only see a small piece of an overall person. I think over the years that you and I have had occasion to "see" some of qualities each other which aren't always obvious in normal 'net discussions.

Joe

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: Tab

I am curious what don't you like that is being caught at your local schools?

We only sent any of our kids to the public schools here for one year. When my twins were 10, we sent them to the neighborhood Elementary School for 5th grade (my wife had some health issues and needed a break from home schooling all 4 kids). We became very involved at the school and in the PTA and such... one or the other of us would go on class trips and my wife did some volunteering with the school Library and did "read alouds" with the class. I preface with all that so that you can get a rough idea that we did our best to get to know the school and even the other students some.

What was "caught" (or could be) was children showing HUGE disrespect to teachers (we're talking Elementary School) by disobeying them or even cussing them out. Parents who didn't care and would get angry at the school if kids got suspended because it inconvenienced them. Constant vulgarity from many of the kids (not all) and girls (we're talking 10 year olds) talking about sex and things they'd already done at the lunch table. That last one came to our knowledge in the form of our daughter being on the "outs" with several of the girls after telling them that talking about that stuff at school was really inappropriate.

We were diligent and on top of what was going on with our kids, but at least in this area I would not feel good about sending my kids into that environment without being able to be VERY involved at the school and keep a watchful eye on what was going on. Most of what I just outlined, I should add, is the fault of bad parents, not bad kids or bad teachers.

Joe

 

Originally posted by: retsplG

Oh and BTW, I'm not actually new here. ;-)

No you're not, you're the member Glpster who was given a one month timeout. Now you have earned yourself a permban

Woah!!

This moderator is on a SERIOUS trip! I'm thinking of contacting the owner of Anandtech to make a complaint.

Who does he think he is suggesting that someone who is using the reverse of the name Glpster , and uses the same icon as Glpster, and who sounds like Glpster, and who claims to not be new to the forums, is in fact Glpster! You can't ban someone who hasn't violated any rules simply because the circumstantial evidence suggests that it's a person who had been temporarily banned under a different pseudonym.

Tough noogies for you. You can't "Permaban" anyone from internet forums. Anyone could easily change their E-mail address and name and even their IP address. All you can hope is they have a personal stake in their posting stats.

As a matter of fact, Glpster didn't even violate any rules to begin with. He never claimed any statements of FACT about anyone's sexuality. He clearly indicated that he had a his own personal SUSPICIONS about an individual's sexuality (suspicions that do in fact bear a good deal of sociological support in regard to homophobes).

People claim to have suspicions about other's all the time here. In fact I suspect that the moderator of this forum is a right winger and/or homophobe that didn't like the fact that Glpster was making a little too much sense and was just aching for an opportunity to ban him. What the hell kind of Nazi forum is this where one can't even speak of their own suspicions???

I also suspect that this moderator has overstepped his bounds.

AND I suspect that the moderator of P & N posts here! Clearly this guy spends all day, every day on these forums, he's not just reading every single post and NOT posting.

So, who is he???

I'm going to start another thread here to speculate on what the moderator's posting pseudonym is.

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Woah!! I think I am AnandTech Moderator, and I think you are on a serious trip out of here.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[NeenerNeener]

quote:
Don't forget. Many arguments against same sex marriage are the same arguments used against inter-racial marriage in the late 60's/early seventies!


quote:
"Yeah... I hear that a lot. Now you make sure not to forget that a Republican (Lincoln) freed the slaves and that it was Democrats in the South who wouldn't let integration happen in the 1950's and 60's!



Joe "

Yes. Lincoln helped free the slaves. He was the first republican. I hear that one too (although he started as a whig). By your gist it seems like you are implying that republicans take the cake when it comes to civil rights. Sure it can be interpreted that democrats today are like the southern "dixiecrats" of yesteryear. I don't agree with that, though. I don't go along with all this self-back-patting that goes along with partisanship of today. Lincoln was my favorite president and I grew up republican (I think it still says I am on paper). Some pundit can say that democrats were somehow against the civil rights movement. However, today, the bigotry I see seems to exist in the republican party. Granted, there is bigotry everywhere. Republicans can also say that they didn't start the Vietnam War. Although, Eisenhour sent a thousand or so before Kennedy threw into the mix. But, I have to say that Kennedy and Johnson (both democrats) led the civil rights movement as far as government is concerned. If memory serves, it was Johnson's conversations with Wallace in Alabama (both democrats) that convinced Wallace to integrate schools there.

History is there for us to review. Like the bible, we can pick and choose how we interpret history to further humanity. The democrats and republicans of yesterday aren't the same democrats and republicans we see today. Things change. It's how we interpret and apply history that makes the difference.

As it stands, back on topic, I see no reason to exclude a certain group of people. There is one common fallacy that I see on this thread: That homosexuals have a choice in being homosexual. I hear lame stuff like "they're gonna recruit others to be homosexual" or "what is that saying to the children?".

For the former, considering ALL the homosexuals that I've known, it's NOT a choice. Why would someone choose to be shunned by society? The whole recruiting thing is ludicrous. Real homosexuals aren't recruited. They were born that way.

For the latter, listen to what the politicians tell the people. Whenever a politician wants to really scare the populace about an issue, they bring children into it. I would respond with this: what about children killed by errant bombs when we go to war not as a last resort, but to "contain" an idea or to "spread democracy" or because we're scared about WMDs that aren't there? What about the 11 million children without health insurance? Do republicans today really care about that? Or do they only care about the children in-utero? Republicans don't seem to care about education. They make bills with fancy names like "no child left behind", but they don't really fund them. They don't care about the planet that will be left to their children. They take the perfectly fine "Clean Air Act" and replace it with the "Clear Skies initiative", which only relaxes environmental restrictions on corporations. What do republicans stand for these days anyway? Do you really think God is on their side? As if God needs to take sides. All they are to me is more politicians, looking for the buzz word of the day to appeal to some focus group or think tank that doesn't live in the same world the rest of us live in.

 

[NeenerNeener]

"Homosexual, infertile, and otherwise non-procreative members of a species in as small as 2 to 10 percent of the population can keep a species numbers from rapidly increasing, resulting in massive die off from overpopulation. In this way homosexuality acts as a negative feedback loop. Anyone familiar with negative feedback loops in engineering will know that they are MANDATORY to keep a system from swinging wildly out of control."

Ah. Controls engineering. Watch out for harmonic instability and mind your differential equations I tell you! I can look around and tell ya that UNDERPOPULATION is not a problem.

Good on ya Gipster.

 

[Netopia]

NeenerNeener... good post (the former of the previous two in particular). I realize that the Repub/Democrat parties of today are NOT what they were 150 years ago... or even 50 for that matter. You did have Democrats like Kennedy and Johnson, but also other like George Wallace (who I saw get shot... grew up in Laurel) at the same time who were on the opposing side of civil rights. Both parties have flip-flopped positions over the years. Look at the spending going on right now! If it was 30 years ago and you didn't know which party was in, one would probably assume Democrat, but it's a Republican spending like it's water.

You know... on political tests/survey's I've taken I show up as JUST BARELY to the right of center. If the Democratic party would do more to embrace Christian moral values I'd probably vote Democrat, but with their current platform, I simply cannot.

Joe

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Netopia
NeenerNeener... good post (the former of the previous two in particular). I realize that the Repub/Democrat parties of today are NOT what they were 150 years ago... or even 50 for that matter. You did have Democrats like Kennedy and Johnson, but also other like George Wallace (who I saw get shot... grew up in Laurel) at the same time who were on the opposing side of civil rights. Both parties have flip-flopped positions over the years. Look at the spending going on right now! If it was 30 years ago and you didn't know which party was in, one would probably assume Democrat, but it's a Republican spending like it's water.

You know... on political tests/survey's I've taken I show up as JUST BARELY to the right of center. If the Democratic party would do more to embrace Christian moral values I'd probably vote Democrat, but with their current platform, I simply cannot.

Joe

What "Christian Values" are the republicans embracing that the current democrats aren't?

 

[Netopia]

How about we start with something as simple as marriage is a union between a man and a woman. After that we can get to more complex concepts! 😉

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Netopia
How about we start with something as simple as marriage is a union between a man and a woman. After that we can get to more complex concepts! 😉

Well, you defined your religious marriage! Thats great and all as long as you keep it with "your kind" and leave the rest of us alone. I don't think a "Compassionate Christian Conservative" such as your self would want to invalidate the Consitution and force religious laws?

Would care to answer the question?

 

[Netopia]

Tab, this debate could go on in circles for ever. We disagree on what is acceptable and what isn't.

Joe

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Netopia
Tab, this debate could go on in circles for ever. We disagree on what is acceptable and what isn't.

Joe

No, eventually it will come to an end, there big difference between being a "Christian" and having "good morales".

Your first replies where pretty good you're much more "Christian" than Rip and others... That is a GOOD thing too.

 

[Netopia]

Actually Tab, I agree with you that it will come to an end. I think that there will come a time when almost anything will be considered ok and that people won't have to put up with Christians any longer. Of course, those times will come to an end to, only with much more pemanency.

Joe

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Netopia
Actually Tab, I agree with you that it will come to an end. I think that there will come a time when almost anything will be considered ok and that people won't have to put up with Christians any longer. Of course, those times will come to an end to, only with much more pemanency.

Joe

Unforunatly, that maybe the time when the world comes to an end. 🙁

 

[NeenerNeener]

quote:
Originally posted by: Netopia
Actually Tab, I agree with you that it will come to an end. I think that there will come a time when almost anything will be considered ok and that people won't have to put up with Christians any longer. Of course, those times will come to an end to, only with much more pemanency.

Joe

"Unforunatly, that maybe the time when the world comes to an end."


Tab, Netopia,

There are always people who think the world is going to end. I figure why worry about that? It gives us a warped view of the future. Why should we care about our children when the world is going to end in OUR generation? Sounds kinda arrogant doesn't it? Thousands of generations of humanity, perhaps millions, and we're so special to be alive for an apocalypse?

The world most likely, WON'T end in our lifetimes. Granted, we may get nuked, and there may be revolution from time to time. There will be new technology then to solve the old technological problems.

Did you know:
1) That in two years construction will begin on an international thermonuclear experimental reactor (ITER)?
2) That it will be a conglomeration of fifty years of energy research?
3) That it could solve many of our problems of dependence on fossil fuel consumption?

I tell you though...many think that morality in society is withering away. I'm more worried about morality in government.

Instead of worrying about aborted fetuses or gays getting married, I choose to worry about America losing it's democracy, while claiming to spread it. While I care about what our soldiers are fighting for, overseas, I care more about what the men fought for in our country's inception. Think of how difficult it is to get freedoms back once you lose them! Think about how those in power aren't satisfied with the power they have. We must give priorities to the things we believe are important. Gays are getting married (I know two personally) and the media has made it out like it's gonna be "the end of the world". They show same sex couples lining up in california and mass. (cause I can't spell it) AND THEY WANT THE UNTHINKABLE! : to be married like the rest of us. Frogs will fall from the sky and a pestilence the likes of which we have never seen will sweep through our beloved country! In order to stop it we might even have to go against our own constitution, and have congress pass a law respecting an establishment of religion, marriage! Then, even if it had passed, the supreme court would have given it the smackdown. Those darn activist judges!

Priorities. Here are some intentionally false dichotomies intended to make everyone evaluate what the governments role should be:

1) Would you rather not have gays get married in america or have running water?
2) What about a working sewer system so we don't all get sick?
3) How about roads so you can drive home from work?
4) How about a federally backed banking system and a stable currency?
5) A considerable amount of safety or no gays getting married?

I tell ya, in Iraq they used to have more of these things than they do now. That's because so many people are focused on the wrong things in this country, like worrying about homosexuality and not holding their leaders accountable when it comes to more important issues. Like Netopia said, the republicans of today are spending money like it's water. They are FAR from fiscally conservative! As a matter of fact, one could actually call them liberals for their policies!! Imagine that! Now I'm sure the massive overspending wouldn't be a problem, if the world WERE going to end. I'm sure we all know, though, that it probably won't in our lifetimes, or even our children's. However the debt is a REAL life problem that isn't going to go away. It will affect the value of our childrens' dollar!