Gay marriage legal in Massachusetts

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I think it's about frigging time... consenting adults should be able to enter into the binding legal marriage contract regardless of sex, race or creed.

-Max

You forgot orientation😉

 

[sMiLeYz]

woohoo for american progress

 

[Piano Man]

Long overdue.

 

[Wag]

I have heard it was a narrow margin something like 3-4. So basically one person decided for an entire state, or depending if other states are forced to recognize a gay marriage, an entire country what is right and wrong. I would think that something of this magnitude, would have been put to the people of that state to vote on. just my opinion.

That sounds vaguely <cough! 2000 Election cough!> familiar...

Is it up to the public to intepret law?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I have heard it was a narrow margin something like 3-4. So basically one person decided for an entire state, or depending if other states are forced to recognize a gay marriage, an entire country what is right and wrong. I would think that something of this magnitude, would have been put to the people of that state to vote on. just my opinion.

Where were you in Nov-Dec 2000?!?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

To you Monkeywaggers - the people did get to vote in 2000. And under the laws they cast their vote under - the decision was made by them. I don't think we need to clutter this thread up with 2000 election nonsense.

DM - any comment on the D of M A?

CkG

 

[Wag]

Oh the irony.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
To you Monkeywaggers - the people did get to vote in 2000. And under the laws they cast their vote under - the decision was made by them. I don't think we need to clutter this thread up with 2000 election nonsense.

DM - any comment on the D of M A?

CkG

Hmmmm, maybe you're right. I guess I wasn't very familiar with the DoMA. Oh well, I guess States can still make up their own minds as to how to handle the "marriage" issue. In a way, I'm really surprised Clinton signed that bill. Weird.

 

[ClueLis]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
It is not, the marriages will not be valid in other states. When vermont first had civial unions people from other states would come to vermont to get married and then leave. The people that did that can not get a devorce because to file for devorce in vermont you must be a resident and other states don't recogizes the people as married.

Marriages are required to be respected in other states (and other countries, for that matter). Civil unions, however, such as what Vermont has, are not necessarily upheld in other states. The "portability" of the union will depend on which route Massachusetts takes on this issue.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Wag

I have heard it was a narrow margin something like 3-4. So basically one person decided for an entire state, or depending if other states are forced to recognize a gay marriage, an entire country what is right and wrong. I would think that something of this magnitude, would have been put to the people of that state to vote on. just my opinion.

That sounds vaguely <cough! 2000 Election cough!> familiar...

Is it up to the public to intepret law?

well if you remember there was an <cough>election in 2000<cough> to begin with. I think even you can agree that if the margin had not been as close as it was you would not even bring that point in on this, because that whole thing would not have happened in the first place.

this was not even put to a vote, and I HIGHLY doubt that it would be as close a vote as the 2000 election.

Where were you in Nov-Dec 2000?!?

Umm I was able cast my vote. The people of Mass. never even had a choice to begin with.

 

[Wag]

Why would this need to be put to a vote? It is not up to the public to interpret law. Neither is it up to the public to create new laws or ratify them.

Here in Mass they have a habit of having the voters decide on "Propositions", which is useless because the state senate always stops them if they don't like it.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

No Cad, it's a constitutional requirement that states must recognize legal contracts in other states.

Actually, I heard two egghead law professors on NPR this evening discussing the MA decision. Apparently it's possible for states to claim some kind of weird arse exception if another state's laws are a dramatic depature from local practice.

The Defense of Marriage Act was pure BS. IMHO, Clinton wouldn't have signed it if he hadn't been running for re-election. I'm still waiting for one of these "stick up the rectum" defenders of marriage to explain why gays have them cowering in fear.

 

[Aves]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

No Cad, it's a constitutional requirement that states must recognize legal contracts in other states.

Actually, I heard two egghead law professors on NPR this evening discussing the MA decision. Apparently it's possible for states to claim some kind of weird arse exception if another state's laws are a dramatic depature from local practice.

I'm actually listening to those two right now.

Link to the audio.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I think it's about frigging time... consenting adults should be able to enter into the binding legal marriage contract regardless of sex, race or creed.

-Max

preach on!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

No Cad, it's a constitutional requirement that states must recognize legal contracts in other states.

Actually, I heard two egghead law professors on NPR this evening discussing the MA decision. Apparently it's possible for states to claim some kind of weird arse exception if another state's laws are a dramatic depature from local practice.

The Defense of Marriage Act was pure BS. IMHO, Clinton wouldn't have signed it if he hadn't been running for re-election. I'm still waiting for one of these "stick up the rectum" defenders of marriage to explain why gays have them cowering in fear.

Why is defending marriage now a "bad thing"? There are a lot of arguments about being gay being genetic versus environment. It's probably a mix of both. There's some strong correlations between being molested/raped and becoming gay (a family I know had 4 kids...2 were molested, 2 weren't. The two that were molested became gay. One of the two is a pedophile, might be in jail dunno he vanished).

If they are married, I just want them to have to pay the marriage tax penalty like the rest of us. And quit having parades 🙂

 

[glenn1]

Gay marriage legal in Massachusetts

Given the current status quo i agree with the decision. If the government has the authority to grant permission to marry and perform marriage ceremonies, then it can't discriminate in who it provides this "service" to.

And i'm surprised no one has come up with the most obvious solution to the "problem." Get the damn government out of the marriage business. It's a religious concept to begin with that has been bastardized by the gov't being involved. I no more want the state of MA granting marriage licenses than i want them granting baptism or bah mitzvah licenses.

 

[alchemize]

When is someone going to bring up if this opens the door for Polygamy and Beastiality next?

Oh...I just did 😉

Although the libertarian in me says "go for it". PETA would object.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
When is someone going to bring up if this opens the door for Polygamy and Beastiality next?

Oh...I just did 😉

Although the libertarian in me says "go for it". PETA would object.

Are you Rick Santorum's bastard child? I knew it! 😛

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: alchemize
When is someone going to bring up if this opens the door for Polygamy and Beastiality next?

Oh...I just did 😉

Although the libertarian in me says "go for it". PETA would object.

Isn't Polygamy already legal in Utah, a ultra-conservative state?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: ClueLis

Originally posted by: Spencer278
It is not, the marriages will not be valid in other states. When vermont first had civial unions people from other states would come to vermont to get married and then leave. The people that did that can not get a devorce because to file for devorce in vermont you must be a resident and other states don't recogizes the people as married.

Marriages are required to be respected in other states (and other countries, for that matter). Civil unions, however, such as what Vermont has, are not necessarily upheld in other states. The "portability" of the union will depend on which route Massachusetts takes on this issue.

A state only has to respect the laws of other states if they have a similar law. The name of the law is irrelavent. Do you really think that one state should be allowed to say who can get married and have it apply to all the other states. I wonder if there are any similar case in which a person is married below in one state but is below the legal age to marry in the person home state if the state would respect that marrage.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: alchemize
When is someone going to bring up if this opens the door for Polygamy and Beastiality next?

Oh...I just did 😉

Although the libertarian in me says "go for it". PETA would object.

Isn't Polygamy already legal in Utah, a ultra-conservative state?

No it's illegal, they just normally turn the other cheek.

There is a case recently where a guy was charged for having 8 wives. He got too high in Media spotlight so they came down hard on him.

 

[EXman]

please change the thread title it is wrong!

it is not legal yet. 180 days the legilature have to make it a law or to oppose it.

also the governor is against it.

on poligomy

No it's illegal, they just normally turn the other cheek.

There is a case recently where a guy was charged for having 8 wives. He got too high in Media spotlight so they came down hard on him.

cause the guy was on springer show so they made him an example btw he was an a$shole.

 

[PainTrain]

I know this has already been asked, but what business is it of ours to dictate whether or not two consenting adults can be married? For it to be such a huge, rifting concern you people must walk around all day thinking about gay this and gay that. Are the gay's trying to take Charelton Heston's winchester out of his cold dead hands? Perhaps they killed Dale Earnhardt? I know, manufacturing lost their jobs to a bunch of overqualified gay Indians. Big f#ckin deal, get over it.

 

[0roo0roo]

There's some strong correlations between being molested/raped and becoming gay (a family I know had 4 kids...2 were molested, 2 weren't. The two that were molested became gay. One of the two is a pedophile, might be in jail dunno he vanished).

thats some awesome anecdotal evidence you have there. hitler, jeffery dahmer, and binladin all ate carrots, and look what they turned into!

kinda harder to attack homosexualty as a deviant and by default sexually promiscuous lifestyle when they are going for marriage. i bet some don't like having that route of attack taken from them.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
woohoo for american progress

yay for progress that is driving America to the path of self destruction!