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Gay Marriage in Spain and Canada!

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Tab

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Spain's population is 80% catholic...

Roman Catholicism is, by far, the most popular religion in the country, with four in five Spaniards (80%) self-identifying as Catholics. The next group (one in eight, or 12%) is represented by atheists or agnostics. Minority religions account for one in seventy (1.4%) of all Spaniards.
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Gay Marriage in Spain!

Gay Marriage is legalized in Canada!

Rumor in Canada is that some groups in Alberta that figured out they could stop all gay marriages by not performing any marriages at all. I know we have some canadians in this forum, any thoughts on this?
 
Originally posted by: Tab
Spain's population is 80% catholic...

Roman Catholicism is, by far, the most popular religion in the country, with four in five Spaniards (80%) self-identifying as Catholics. The next group (one in eight, or 12%) is represented by atheists or agnostics. Minority religions account for one in seventy (1.4%) of all Spaniards.
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Gay Marriage in Spain!

Gay Marriage is legalized in Canada!

Rumor in Canada is that some groups in Alberta that figured out they could stop all gay marriages by not performing any marriages at all. I know we have some canadians in this forum, any thoughts on this?
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Churches, Temples, Synagogues, etc are not legally required to Marry Gay couples. However, people don't need to go to a religious Institution to get Married. That said, some religious institutions will probably Marry Gay couples anyway. So I highly doubt any kind of stopping is possible.
 
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
 
plenty of people identify themselves as Christian without actually holding to the values preached by the church.

drive to DC and you won't be able to shake a stick without hitting a dozen of them.
 
My personal experience with catholics is that most tend to be very open and lenient, but there are a few hardcore ones out there. So I'm not that suprised.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
My personal experience with catholics is that most tend to be very open and lenient, but there are a few hardcore ones out there. So I'm not that suprised.
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Come to Fargo, North Dakota. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Tab
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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I just lived in Spain for year. Believe me, Spain is the definition of cultural Catholicism.

Basically, ever since Franco drilled it into their heads for 40 odd years, hardy anybody actually practices the religion. I think something like 18% regularly attend Mass and even for a lot of those it's just something to do on Sunday. I don't know how that compares to the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: dornick
Originally posted by: Tab
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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I just lived in Spain for year. Believe me, Spain is the definition of cultural Catholicism.

Basically, ever since Franco drilled it into their heads for 40 odd years, hardy anybody actually practices the religion. I think something like 18% regularly attend Mass and even for a lot of those it's just something to do on Sunday. I don't know how that compares to the U.S.
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I've actually heard the 18% figure quite a bit. What's the general education level of the people in Spain?
 
As a Canadian, I'm kind of miffed that Spain technically beat us to the legalization of (nation-wide) same-sex marriage.😛 Bill C-38 still needs to go through the Senate and Governor-General, whereas the same-sex marriage law in Spain is apparently being enacted immediately. At least, this I what I've gathered from the paper today. Of course, I'm really happy for Spain, and very proud of my government for being the fourth country to legalise gay marriage.

And as a gay Albertan, I'm getting really fed up with my government and the groups who are still trying to find a way to prevent same-sex couples from getting married in this province. I'm also a bit concerned about whether there's going to be any significant backlash against gays in Alberta because of this. Some people have speculated that a couple of recent gay-bashing incidents in Edmonton might be in part because of the same-sex marriage debate, so it's something I'm a little worried about.
 
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: dornick
Originally posted by: Tab
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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I just lived in Spain for year. Believe me, Spain is the definition of cultural Catholicism.

Basically, ever since Franco drilled it into their heads for 40 odd years, hardy anybody actually practices the religion. I think something like 18% regularly attend Mass and even for a lot of those it's just something to do on Sunday. I don't know how that compares to the U.S.
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I've actually heard the 18% figure quite a bit. What's the general education level of the people in Spain?
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Not sure on that. There are plenty of local universities around and school is mandatory from age 3 to 18. Don't know the percentage that moves on to higher level stuff.
 
What Canada and Spain have figured out is its a pointless issue. Doesn?t effect hetros, really, and is no ones business except the couple looking to marry.
Five years from now, all will see not one negative effect from letting Gays marry.
Do you care that your neighbor may like Pepsi cola? Whats it to you is they do. Same with gays and marriage, whats it to you if they do. I cant believe any people think they have a cause to stick their nose into someone?s life.
I the Gays came into you house, told you to divorce, dump the kids to foster homes, live like "I" think you should. Well, you wouldn?t be a happy camper.
These other countries give the good ole USA a black eye. Shows were letting the "right" keep us dumbed-down. While we wallow in our little bigotry, they push ahead into the modern world. They must think we awful dense, and we are!
 
Its the right wing conspiricy! Jk.

Europe has always been more socialistic(is this even a word?) than the US. Not much of a surprise.
 
Perhaps Karl Rove and his cronies won again!!!😉 By secretly helping the movement to legalize gay marriage in Canada and Spain they kill two birds with one stone. They force people to move to those countries to marry. Their unions will not be valid in this country automatically. It would force a Supreme court review (with the newly appointed SCOTUS judges).

This would then force the cConstitutional amendment to define marriage.
 
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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you missing the point, Spain is a Socialist country, Church doesn't have nothing to do with the issue, church and state have no connection like here in the US.
 
Basically, ever since Franco
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a lot of people in the forum dont know about Franco, so Franco was a Dictator like Mussolini (el Duce) but was lucky enough to stay out from WWII because of the Spain Civil War.
 
Originally posted by: colonel
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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you missing the point, Spain is a Socialist country, Church doesn't have nothing to do with the issue, church and state have no connection like here in the US.
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Lol.. really Spain is a socialist country?

Socialism:
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Why is this word so much misunderstood and overused?
 
Originally posted by: colonel
That wasn't my point, my point is that Spain is even more religious than America but don't have a problem with Gay Marraige.
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you missing the point, Spain is a Socialist country, Church doesn't have nothing to do with the issue, church and state have no connection like here in the US.
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ding ding ding.... i'm czech and we're about 95% catholic and the mentality is the same. I guess its the legacy of pre-89 regime that left the government free from any ties to catholicism.

Even from a individuals point of view, religion has always been something personal that you don't apply to other people. My grandma is as catholic as it gets (no meat on fridays etc.) and she could care less about homosexuals.
 
It seems like most European countries have more direct experience with the dangers of war and, more relevant to this thread, oppression. Perhaps that's why they are so reticent about oppressing gays and buying into black and white systems of thought?
 
If you think Spain is more religious than America then you need a bit more researching. the current Spanish generation is nothing like the old which was truly religious

there has been a trend throughout Europe where people are moving away from the Church and towards perverse behavior. but oh well, Europeans should enjoy their guilty pleasures while they can. it wont last forever
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
If you think Spain is more religious than America then you need a bit more researching. the current Spanish generation is nothing like the old which was truly religious

there has been a trend throughout Europe where people are moving away from the Church and towards perverse behavior. but oh well, Europeans should enjoy their guilty pleasures while they can. it wont last forever
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Spain is way more religious, you need to do your research.

Why won't this last forever? Are you going to stop them?
 
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: raildogg
If you think Spain is more religious than America then you need a bit more researching. the current Spanish generation is nothing like the old which was truly religious

there has been a trend throughout Europe where people are moving away from the Church and towards perverse behavior. but oh well, Europeans should enjoy their guilty pleasures while they can. it wont last forever
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Spain is way more religious, you need to do your research.

Why won't this last forever? Are you going to stop them?
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Well with the way Arabs and other muslims are flooding many large cities in Europe, its only a matter of time before they become the majority. Many muslims are already trying to change the laws of some European countries based on the quran. In some large European cities, the most common first name given to babies in Mohammed. You are only saying Spain is wayy more religious because they are majority Catholic. That doesn't mean a thing. Church goers throughout Europe have been sliding considerably. The atmosphere is become more and more hostile to anything associated with religion. Please don't tell Spain is a deeply religious country anymore. Maybe Italy is a good example of a religious country, but even that is stretching it.

The constant perverse behavior will only lead to death and destruction, just look at the period before Hitler took office. Or look at past civilizations which crumbled right after their societies started engaging in decadant acts. No, I don't have the power to stop anybody. I'm merely a footsoldier.

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Homosexuality is perverse?
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I don't know, is it? 😕
 
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