Gas guzzler tax and you.

[SparkyJJO]

Greenie\Leftie: "Yeah but you're a barbarian in your epeen wiener mobile. Nobody needs more than [BEST_CAR_I_CAN_AFFORD_HP - 20] HP."

:awe:

That's all the gas guzzler tax is, another "leveling the playing field and making it fair" welfare tax.

A.K.A. "We hate you" tax 😛

My vehicle is now 10 years old, so such "gas-guzzler tax" crap does not apply. And I doubt I'll be buying anything new enough to worry about that any time soon.

 

[Ferzerp]

A.K.A. "We hate you" tax 😛

My vehicle is now 10 years old, so such "gas-guzzler tax" crap does not apply. And I doubt I'll be buying anything new enough to worry about that any time soon.

It was from a 1978 regulation... It would have applied when new based on mileage.

 

[herm0016]

people that use more gas already pay more gas tax. why do we tax them more?

i have a pickup, but i think excluding them is kinda stupid if you are going to do this.

is there a deduction for people that live in the mountains and actually use there trucks too?

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/420f11033.htm

 

[JackBurton]

I hear the 2013 650 HP GT500 won't have a gas guzzler tax. Lulz. Aren't computers awesome?

Wow, that's pretty impressive.

 

[overst33r]

I hear the 2013 650 HP GT500 won't have a gas guzzler tax. Lulz. Aren't computers awesome?

Don't forget the other 90%, gearing. Still, hugely impressive considering the weight and power involved.

I think it's the highest HP car to ever be sold without it.

EDIT: wow I had no idea it was based on COMBINED mpg. So Ford claims the '13 GT500 will get 22.5+ mpg?! That's amazing.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml

 

[Apex]

i'm just curious how many of us are driving cars that fall under this regulation. My current car had a nice big fat $1,300 addition to the sticker price because of it. Anyone else get to pay this lovely tax?

$3700. 🙁

 

[alkemyst]

buying used you avoid it.

 

[Zap]

It was from a 1978 regulation... It would have applied when new based on mileage.

Right. The gas guzzler tax is tacked on to the selling price of a new vehicle.

people that use more gas already pay more gas tax. why do we tax them more?

Well, someone in a Prius can use more gas by driving 30,000 miles a year, versus someone with a ginormous SUV who only drives 3000 miles a year. The gas tax is to pay for roads based on usage (and yes it is its own can of worms). The gas guzzler tax is to encourage consumers to consider "cheaper" cars that get better mileage.

EDIT: wow I had no idea it was based on COMBINED mpg. So Ford claims the '13 GT500 will get 22.5+ mpg?! That's amazing.

Right. But it can get super crappy city MPG and still squeak by on combined if it has a super overdrive to get high highway MPG.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Prius doesn't get 10X better mileage than your average SUV...or anywhere near that.

 

[Ferzerp]

EDIT: wow I had no idea it was based on COMBINED mpg. So Ford claims the '13 GT500 will get 22.5+ mpg?! That's amazing.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml

It's not *exactly* the same combined rating. My challenger does not get 20.5-21.5 combined, but falls under that braket for this law. It peaks out at 22 highway according to the EPA, and does 14 city, so there is no way that 55% highway, 45% city will come out to 20.5-21.5. The rating is much more liberal for this, luckily, else there would be much more complaining. I think mine gets 18ish "combined", so I'm not sure how this is calculated.

I typically get 12, personally.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You don't have to drive a super econo box or hybrid to avoid the gas guzzler tax.

Gas Guzzler Tax Schedule from epa.gov

Any vehicle with a "combined" fuel economy of 22.5MPG. The combined number is calculated from the EPA MPG ratings for the vehicle at 55% city and 45% highway mileage. Also,



I say it is time to change this! Maybe make it tax deductible for those who are able to claim the vehicle for a business expense.

It is absolutely ridiculous that suvs and trucks don't have to conform to this law.

 

[exar333]

You don't have to drive a super econo box or hybrid to avoid the gas guzzler tax.

Gas Guzzler Tax Schedule from epa.gov

Any vehicle with a "combined" fuel economy of 22.5MPG. The combined number is calculated from the EPA MPG ratings for the vehicle at 55% city and 45% highway mileage. Also,



I say it is time to change this! Maybe make it tax deductible for those who are able to claim the vehicle for a business expense.

They should really apply this to all vehicles. if you can prove it's use as some sort of % for business-related uses, then it could be exempt (or reduced). It's rediculous that some truck or SUV that is driven by a single person to and from work gets taxed, while a car with better MPGs still gets hit. These laws are stupid.

 

[exar333]

buying used you avoid it.

It's already baked-into the original price, so you don't really every get rid of it entirely. You definitely don't pay the whole amount, but it would decrease as the car depreciates.

 

[herm0016]

Well, someone in a Prius can use more gas by driving 30,000 miles a year, versus someone with a ginormous SUV who only drives 3000 miles a year. The gas tax is to pay for roads based on usage (and yes it is its own can of worms). The gas guzzler tax is to encourage consumers to consider "cheaper" cars that get better mileage.

yes, but you should be comparing it on a per mile basis. i pay more per mile because my truck wears the road a bit more. i pay this via the gas tax.


so the Prius used the road more and paid more. That's the way it should be.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I wonder if the m3 falls under such a tax?

 

[Fenixgoon]

$3700. 🙁

i think you can deal with it 😛

 

[Apex]

i think you can deal with it 😛

Wife's car, so we worked out a "repayment plan." 😀

 

[alkemyst]

I wonder if the m3 falls under such a tax?

Mine did. Thanks for trolling along.

 

[halik]

I'm just curious how many of us are driving cars that fall under this regulation. My current car had a nice big fat $1,300 addition to the sticker price because of it. Anyone else get to pay this lovely tax?

I buy used.

 

[exdeath]

Wonder if you can get out of it it your car requires only R comp tires. Maybe you should even get a credit for keeping the streets surfaced. :awe:

 

[alkemyst]

I buy used.

you guys and your used M3's...WTF!

lolz.

 

[alkemyst]

Wonder if you can get out of it it your car requires only R comp tires. Maybe you should even get a credit for keeping the streets surfaced. :awe:

and credits for enhanced smell-o-vision, the smell of burnt rubber(s?) in the morning.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Wonder if you can get out of it it your car requires only R comp tires. Maybe you should even get a credit for keeping the streets surfaced. :awe:

I'll admit it, I LOL'd

 

[Zap]

yes, but you should be comparing it on a per mile basis. i pay more per mile because my truck wears the road a bit more. i pay this via the gas tax.


so the Prius used the road more and paid more. That's the way it should be.

Well see, you pay more even though you drive fewer miles per gallon than the Prius, because the gas tax doesn't tax on a per mile basis.