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Gas cans and explosions

Modelworks

Modelworks

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Was watching hdnet and Dan Rather did a report on gas cans, those red plastic ones mainly , and the risk of explosions.

Transcript is here:
http://www.hd.net/transcript.html?air_master_id=A5424

Seems there are quite a few accidents every year from fires that start outside the container but then flashback into the container, igniting the rest of the gas. A lot of these are by children or adults using gas to start a pile of leaves on fire, etc. Others were from people just moving around a gas can with an ignition source close by.

The industry says that you cannot ignite gasoline in a container because the fuel/air mixture is wrong and that there is no problem with current containers. But they showed an article by consumer reports in 1970's that said containers should use a flame arrestor because without one flashback was possible.

The makers of the gas containers are saying there is no problem and will not be adding arrestors . I'm guessing because if they do they admit there was a problem and that may open them up to a ton of lawsuits. But come on guys, an arrestor only cost less than $1 .

It isn't like requiring a rework of the entire design.

They hinted that maybe walmart could make them change the design. They have the retail power, but then they showed video of walmart meetings where they JOKED about exploding gas containers. That is a new low , even for walmart.

I don't know the solution, but I now am going to fit all my containers with a flame arrestor just in case. For the cost of the metal, why not ?



 
We have to keep evolution marching forward. If you're too retarded to realize the inherent dangers associated with having combustible hydrocarbons in close contact with an open flame, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool. I don't know why you'd be weeding in a pool, exactly, but you're the exploding retard here, not me.
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
We have to keep evolution marching forward. If you're too retarded to realize the inherent dangers associated with having combustible hydrocarbons in close contact with an open flame, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool. I don't know why you'd be weeding in a pool, exactly, but you're the exploding retard here, not me.
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If you're too retarded to realize that you don't need an open flame to ignite gasoline, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool.
 
I can understand the people being injured by standing over a fire pouring gas on it.
But that isn't the issue here.
It is the people that don't know any better, thinking they are safe, because of a cost savings of less than $1.
Example:
Guy pulls in his garage and wife comes out to the car to meet him, she accidentally knocks over a gas container and gas spills out, she picks up the container and puts it back upright. The heat from the cars engine causes the gas on the floor to ignite. The way it is now, the gas on the floor will burn and it could follow the vapor trail all the way back to the container, exploding the contents. If a $1 arrestor was installed the worse that would happen is the garage floor would catch fire.

The first example they use in the article is a fire started by a water heater in the room where the gas container was stored.
 
Originally posted by: Modelworks

The makers of the gas containers are saying there is no problem and will not be adding arrestors . I'm guessing because if they do they admit there was a problem and that may open them up to a ton of lawsuits. But come on guys, an arrestor only cost less than $1 .
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On an item that probably costs under a dollar to manufacture tacking on a $1 part is more than doubling production costs. There's no $1 accessory that can cure stupidity. The smart people don't need arrestors and the morons will still find a way to blow themselves up even with the arrestors.
 
This actually reminds me of a funny story from about 8 or 9 years ago. My friends dad used to own about 120 acres of land outside of the city and we used to go out there and have big bonfires.

We'd take my jeep out in the middle of the land and drag all sorts of branches and dead trees into a huge pile and pour gas all over it and light it up. But since half the stuff we drug in there were smaller trees and branches we'd knock over with my jeep they didn't burn too well so we'd always go and pour more gas on the parts that weren't burning, but one time I splashed a little too much gas on there and caught the nozzle of our gas can on fire. So I backed up a few steps and calmly put the gas can down and started to walk away.

At the same time my friend thought I was in serious danger, so he started running up to where I was and tried to kick the gas can away from me, but he just kicked a hole right through the side of the gas can causing himself to basically get engulfed in flames. He started running around like a chicken with his head cut off and we kept yelling at him to stop drop and roll.

When he finally got on the ground I started trying to put the flames out on his legs and my wife's gay friend started to take his shirt off so he could help me smother the flames (which we did). The next day my buddy said all he was thinking as he was lying there still half on fire looking at this gay guy taking his shirt off was "Ohh great, I'm burning to death and Brian (the gay guy) is trying to have sex with me".
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Modelworks

The makers of the gas containers are saying there is no problem and will not be adding arrestors . I'm guessing because if they do they admit there was a problem and that may open them up to a ton of lawsuits. But come on guys, an arrestor only cost less than $1 .
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On an item that probably costs under a dollar to manufacture tacking on a $1 part is more than doubling production costs. There's no $1 accessory that can cure stupidity. The smart people don't need arrestors and the morons will still find a way to blow themselves up even with the arrestors.
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Thats because dumb people will get tired of the slower rate when safety devices are installed and then remove/damage/etc... them to get around it and we are back at square one.
 
so why are people using gas to start fires anyway? let alone dumping it on leaves and setting the can close to them. i guess sometimes a dog needs to piss on the floor before someone cleans it.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
We have to keep evolution marching forward. If you're too retarded to realize the inherent dangers associated with having combustible hydrocarbons in close contact with an open flame, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool. I don't know why you'd be weeding in a pool, exactly, but you're the exploding retard here, not me.
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If you're too retarded to realize that you don't need an open flame to ignite gasoline, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool.
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Direct from the article:

Landon is mom's official little helper. His duty when Mom begins to mow or gets ready to mow, is to pick up toys off the yard. LANDON CARRIED HIS TOYS AND HIS SISTER'S TRICYCLE TO THE CELLAR RIGHT NEXT TO THE YARD AND, LIKE MANY PEOPLES' BASEMENTS, IT ALSO INCLUDED THE WASHER AND DRYER, TOOLS, A WATER HEATER AND A GASOLINE CONTAINER. Landon was putting the bike in the cellar way, accidentally tipped over a gas can. Vapors from the gas can went along the cellar floor and there was an ignition and a fire occurred. THE EXPLOSION WAS HEARD BY HIS UPSTATE-NEW YORK NEIGHBORS AND HIS MOTHER MELISSA, WHO WAS A FEW YARDS AWAY.
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quick, a show of hands....how many people keep containers of gas inside thier home?

it was not the gas container that caused this.....it was the idiots that kept a container IN THE HOUSE within proximity of a flame.

Kerosene?....sure I can see it...I used to use a kerosene heater in the winter....I never kept the container in the house but I could understand kerosene in ones home way before I could understand why someone would keep gas....in the house.....especially when you have a child.


From the title and the first paragraph of the article the author would have you beleive that they are spontaneously combusting all over the place.

that is not the case.


 
Originally posted by: Modelworks
I can understand the people being injured by standing over a fire pouring gas on it.
But that isn't the issue here.
It is the people that don't know any better, thinking they are safe, because of a cost savings of less than $1.
Example:
Guy pulls in his garage and wife comes out to the car to meet him, she accidentally knocks over a gas container and gas spills out, she picks up the container and puts it back upright. The heat from the cars engine causes the gas on the floor to ignite. The way it is now, the gas on the floor will burn and it could follow the vapor trail all the way back to the container, exploding the contents. If a $1 arrestor was installed the worse that would happen is the garage floor would catch fire.

The first example they use in the article is a fire started by a water heater in the room where the gas container was stored.
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You forget one thing. Every can i've bought or had has some way to close off the spout and vent. Seems people are not only stupid, but also lazy.

A. how is gas going to spill when it's closed
B. how does fire get back to the gas if it's closed
 
Can't say i've ever seen a jerrycan explode. I suppose it could do a little *thup* thing, but i'd say that's about it.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
We have to keep evolution marching forward. If you're too retarded to realize the inherent dangers associated with having combustible hydrocarbons in close contact with an open flame, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool. I don't know why you'd be weeding in a pool, exactly, but you're the exploding retard here, not me.
Click to expand...

If you're too retarded to realize that you don't need an open flame to ignite gasoline, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool.
Click to expand...

Direct from the article:

Landon is mom's official little helper. His duty when Mom begins to mow or gets ready to mow, is to pick up toys off the yard. LANDON CARRIED HIS TOYS AND HIS SISTER'S TRICYCLE TO THE CELLAR RIGHT NEXT TO THE YARD AND, LIKE MANY PEOPLES' BASEMENTS, IT ALSO INCLUDED THE WASHER AND DRYER, TOOLS, A WATER HEATER AND A GASOLINE CONTAINER. Landon was putting the bike in the cellar way, accidentally tipped over a gas can. Vapors from the gas can went along the cellar floor and there was an ignition and a fire occurred. THE EXPLOSION WAS HEARD BY HIS UPSTATE-NEW YORK NEIGHBORS AND HIS MOTHER MELISSA, WHO WAS A FEW YARDS AWAY.
Click to expand...

quick, a show of hands....how many people keep containers of gas inside thier home?

it was not the gas container that caused this.....it was the idiots that kept a container IN THE HOUSE within proximity of a flame.

Kerosene?....sure I can see it...I used to use a kerosene heater in the winter....I never kept the container in the house but I could understand kerosene in ones home way before I could understand why someone would keep gas....in the house.....especially when you have a child.


From the title and the first paragraph of the article the author would have you beleive that they are spontaneously combusting all over the place.

that is not the case.
Click to expand...

I believe the people in that incident are suing a bunch of companies.
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
Or, maybe people should not be lighting fires around a flammable material?
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how can you light unflammable material?

of course you need to light a fire around flammable material or the fire will not take off.
 
Originally posted by: Doodoo
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
We have to keep evolution marching forward. If you're too retarded to realize the inherent dangers associated with having combustible hydrocarbons in close contact with an open flame, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool. I don't know why you'd be weeding in a pool, exactly, but you're the exploding retard here, not me.
Click to expand...

If you're too retarded to realize that you don't need an open flame to ignite gasoline, maybe you should die to weed your genes out of the pool.
Click to expand...

Direct from the article:

Landon is mom's official little helper. His duty when Mom begins to mow or gets ready to mow, is to pick up toys off the yard. LANDON CARRIED HIS TOYS AND HIS SISTER'S TRICYCLE TO THE CELLAR RIGHT NEXT TO THE YARD AND, LIKE MANY PEOPLES' BASEMENTS, IT ALSO INCLUDED THE WASHER AND DRYER, TOOLS, A WATER HEATER AND A GASOLINE CONTAINER. Landon was putting the bike in the cellar way, accidentally tipped over a gas can. Vapors from the gas can went along the cellar floor and there was an ignition and a fire occurred. THE EXPLOSION WAS HEARD BY HIS UPSTATE-NEW YORK NEIGHBORS AND HIS MOTHER MELISSA, WHO WAS A FEW YARDS AWAY.
Click to expand...

quick, a show of hands....how many people keep containers of gas inside thier home?

it was not the gas container that caused this.....it was the idiots that kept a container IN THE HOUSE within proximity of a flame.

Kerosene?....sure I can see it...I used to use a kerosene heater in the winter....I never kept the container in the house but I could understand kerosene in ones home way before I could understand why someone would keep gas....in the house.....especially when you have a child.


From the title and the first paragraph of the article the author would have you beleive that they are spontaneously combusting all over the place.

that is not the case.
Click to expand...

I believe the people in that incident are suing a bunch of companies.
Click to expand...

well, color me surprised.
 
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