Gaming - What is Faster Than i7-3770K

UaVaj

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Most games uses 2.5 cores. Some games uses 4 cores.

What is stock cpu is faster (more istruction-per-second) than a i7-3770K for gaming?

Rather buy a faster cpu and skip overclocking.
 

daveybrat

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For right now you either buy the 3770K or wait till Haswell is released this summer and get the 4770K instead.
 

Eureka

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For some games, the 3570K is faster. You don't have the overhead of HT on the CPU.

You won't find a stock CPU that's faster in terms of gaming performance. All of them will bottleneck within the same few frames, it's just that most games right now don't take advantage of hyperthreading or extra cores, and the ones that do are still limited by single threaded performance. Save your money, get the 3570K if you only game, and the 3770K if you wanted threaded performance for other things.
 

guskline

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A 3960X/3970X would be minimally faster up to 4 cores. Certainly not worth it.

Agreed. Unless you do many multi-thread apps the price difference is significant. The 3770 k - $330; 3960X - $1,070. MBs 2011 @$300 min 1055 @$180. The math shows a savings of over $800! Lordy, you could just about CF 2 7970s for that!
 

FlanK3r

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As Shintai wrote...But there is no point to change i7-3770K for i7-39xx. This CPUs are only for biggest enthusiast and pro overclockers or people who love rendering and video.
 

UaVaj

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already own the i7-3770K. looks like OC it is.

thanks for the reality check.
 

Ferzerp

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Nothing exists that compares to that. 2 more cores and a little less speed is not a tradeoff that will help most games.

Even if money is no option, that's still your choice.
 

BrightCandle

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Its not that simple. The average utilisation of a game might be 250% but that is an average over a long period of time. You can achieve that on a 4 core machine with 400% utilisation and the CPU doing nothing for 37.5% of the rest of the time. With 6 cores you would have the core idle for 58%. Every frame of a game for moments is always bottlenecked by both the CPU and the GPU. No game is 100% one way, it just doesn't work like that at all.

The 6 core CPUs on sandy bridge are actually sometimes noticeably faster than a 3770k in games and rarely falls behind because the 3930k is just 200Mhz slower than the 2600k. For example this review:

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-3-aftermath-test-gpu.html

Admittedly in Russian but shows a 20% lead to the 3930k over the 2600k with a 690 at 1080p ultra quality. The same site shows the Star Craft 2 heart of the swarm also gives a slight boost for the 3930k such that it rivals the 2600k despite being slower clock speed. Far cry 3 is another example of a game that uses those cores and gets a few percentage points of additional minimum and average FPS. None of these games peg the CPU to 100%, but they do show that lower utilisation on average doesn't actually equal no need for great than 2.5 cores.

Be careful about equating averages to actual performance measurements, it isn't that simple. Only parts of games can run in mass parallel but that can make a noticeable difference in performance. The 3930k is a better gaming CPU than the 3770k in some circumstances, and sometimes its worse because of its IPC reduction. But its also interesting to look at the frame time graphs they produce, 6 core SB-E's tend to have less long jitters especially with hard drive loading, because they have spare core performance to put to the task.

I am not suggesting you swap in a 3770k for a 3930k, but I am seeing its not as simple as the calculation you have done to determine how many cores you need. Only testing will show the benefit or not of more or less cores.
 
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tweakboy

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For right now you either buy the 3770K or wait till Haswell is released this summer and get the 4770K instead.


Nope not summer. In the summer their releasing Ivy Bridge E 6 to 12 cores 4 models.

After that late 2013 to 2014 Haswell enthusiast CPU come.

SO actually if your waiting for Haswell you got one more year to go.

There is no way Intel is releasing Haswell and Ivy Bridge E together.

Haswell has been pushed back. summer Ivy E comes out which destroys the Haswell chip at that time which will be for laptops and built ready to go computers.

Haswell for gurus is end of 2013 or sometime in 2014.

The fastest chip for 2013 will be a Ivy Bridge E 6 to 12 cores.
 

Ben90

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Every frame of a game for moments is always bottlenecked by both the CPU and the GPU. No game is 100% one way, it just doesn't work like that at all.
Well designed game engines separate the game world from rendering. It is very possible for game states generated by the CPU to get thrown out in favor of a newer one before the renderer is ready. If you want to get theoretical, technically the first frame will still always be bottlenecked by both.
 

BrightCandle

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heck an i5 can equal an i7 in games. HT is useless for gaming ATM.

We have plenty of benchmarks done on this forum that show that HT does have some benefit in certain games. Its not universally true that 4 physical cores is the panacea of gaming, some games do benefit at higher speed CPUs with more cores especially with SLI/Crossfire. Whether its worth the extra cost is the questionable aspect, but it can be a pretty substantial benefit.
 

moonbogg

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We have plenty of benchmarks done on this forum that show that HT does have some benefit in certain games. Its not universally true that 4 physical cores is the panacea of gaming, some games do benefit at higher speed CPUs with more cores especially with SLI/Crossfire. Whether its worth the extra cost is the questionable aspect, but it can be a pretty substantial benefit.

This hasen't been merely suggested as being true and is no longer a matter of opinion, but it is demonstrably true and has been shown to be so on these forums and many others. 4 cores is not overkill and you can benefit up to 8.
 

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I would just overclock the 3770K. IMO LGA 2011 doesn't seem to be worth it just for gaming as you end up having to spend a lot more for something like a 3930K. Plus, from what I heard, the power consumption of LGA 2011 SB-E chips seems to be noticeably higher than the LGA 1155 Ivy Bridge chips. Even if you only take it to 4.3GHz, it's still an 800MHz overclock.
 

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This hasen't been merely suggested as being true and is no longer a matter of opinion, but it is demonstrably true and has been shown to be so on these forums and many others. 4 cores is not overkill and you can benefit up to 8.

I don't agree with this at all. We can throw benchmarks from every reputable review site reviewing gaming performance on the 3930k and without exception, the 3930k is not faster. BF3 multiplayer you say. Well, aside from myself not personally caring about bf3 (old game) - the data doesn't seen convincing - many review sites show the 3770k the same speed or faster. And then you have the fact that this is merely 1 game out of thousands. Now if you want to throw in quad sli, yeah, then maybe the 3930k is faster (it has 40 pci express lanes vs 16 on the z77) but otherwise, waste of money. I also think quad SLI is a complete waste of cash, on that topic.

There is maybe 1 outlier with the great majority of every other game not benefitting whatsoever from the 3930k over the 3770k. Simply look at every 3930k review: on anandtech, tomshardware, etc, etc, and I dare anyone to find a tangible difference between the 3930k and 3770k. In fact, since the 3770k has faster single threaded performance - it is quite often faster than even the 3930k. Again. Maybe you will find 1 outlier on a russian website. The great majority of games are the same speed on the 3770k.

3930k is a great chip, but it is not worth upgrading a 3770k. Not for "only" gaming. Just my .02
 
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WhoBeDaPlaya

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Did everyone miss the OP's point about a chip at stock that is faster than a 3770K at stock?
 

UaVaj

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more available core or more available gpu will always yield overall better performance.

at the expense of diminishing return on captial investment.

as for a gaming pc. i3-560 is the value. i5-760 is the bang for the buck. i5-3570k is stretching it. i7-3770K is the last stretch. i7-3930K is you have a money tree.
 

2is

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For some games, the 3570K is faster. You don't have the overhead of HT on the CPU.

Not really considering you can disable HT if absolutly necessary and still have the advantage of more cache.