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mfenn

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120hz, allows for 3D gaming and/or 120FPS gaming (smoother)

The OP shouldnt have to say he needs an SSD for you to recommend one, he is asking for advice for a build he obviously doesnt know exactly what he wants or he wouldnt need advice.

And what is wrong with using triple channel 2000mhz RAM? Well for starters you are building a sandy bridge build which has a dual channel memory, ALL socket 1155 boards use dual channel, also 2000mhz RAM is crazy because it wont give any added performance that you can see over 1333mhz.

He isn't the only one to say you are giving bad advice, I am too. And who am I to say it? Well i have 3,400+ posts 95% of which are in general hardware and most of which concern builds for people. You currently have 128 posts... sorry but I think currently i have more credibility, and Mfenn who will no doubt be in here later to comment on your "build" has 7,000 posts, I will back his opinion 90% of the time even if I thought the opposite.

And lastly you have it backwards, some Antecs are rebranded Seasonics, not seasonics are rebranded antecs (lol) And why not get 750w over the 550w Well PSU's are more efficient in the 40-75% load range (about that anyway) the build he should be getting will be using probably 450w MAX however most of the time it will be closer to 100-150w maybe 200w so a smaller PSU allows him to save energy and heat. Also modular PSU's are a godsend for some cases, and if you dont want that there is a 520w for about 75 bucks from seasonic that isnt modular.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. :) You, BTRY B, and zi0n have thoroughly deconstructed the so-called build fairly well though. :thumbsup:

There are far many more choices than just 3. Why would you recommend such an expensive monitor?


This Samsung model is over $100 cheaper than the Acer model you linked to above. It has similar specs (minus the 3D capability) and has a fast 2ms GTG response time. If the OP wants something even faster, there is a Samsung model with a 1ms response time and it's still $50 cheaper than the Acer monitor you recommended.

You get what you pay for when it comes to monitors. The Samsung you recommended has no redeeming qualities over the ASUS, they're both average TN panels. The Acer I recommended is 120Hz, which can make a nice difference perceived smoothness while gaming and watching vdeos. The Dell is IPS, which I think speaks for itself.

XFX power supply? I built all my systems with Antec. I have a XFX video card and I like it. But IMHO they have not established themselves in the PSU market long enough for me to trust their reliability or longevity. Just because they know how to make good video cards doesn't mean they know how to make quality PSUs. Antec has been around forever (by computer standards) and they are a giant in the industry.

Antec and XFX have never, and will never actually make a PSU. They are mostly both rebranded Seasonics and CWTs. So yeah, I'd say to get whichever costs less but still meets the OP's needs.
 

mfenn

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Thanks for all the replies guys, helped me greatly.

So far, from what I have found in all your advice, this is the current build I have listed:

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Processor - Intel Core i5-2500k Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz
Motherboard - GA-Z68A-D3H
RAM - G-Skill DDR3 1333 8GB
PSU - XFX Core Edition PRO550W
GPU - GTX 580 / GTX 570
Case - LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62
Samsung DVD Burner
Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009222

Total = $1,469 (with GTX 580)
Total = $1,256 (with GTX 570)

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If this is right, then the only thing I need to figure out is if I plan on buying the GTX 570 or the GTX 580.

Do you guys think it is worth the extra $200 to upgrade to the 580? I'd like the GPU to last as long as possible in terms of keeping up with quality games, but if there's minimal difference then I'll save myself $200.

It's definitely not worth it to go for the 580 IMHO.
The rest of the build looks good to me.

Please remember fella's ... This guy just needs a reliable and fast rig. If you go for a 580 gtx... get a bigger power supply. I could not in good concience recommend anything under 650 watts period. Leave your self some head room so the psu is not overworked and doesn't get noisy. This will help you in the long run too if you decide to learn how to make your Rig faster. (AKA Overclocking) in the near future

Do you mean conscience? If so, I have to strongly disagree with you. Sure, some builds need 750W+, but this one isn't one of them. See mnewsham's post above for why.

Loose the infighting and keep it helpfull for this guy. Thats what he is asking for... help....

If we didn't point out a bad build, then that would be doing the OP a disservice. This isn't kindergarten, all builds are not created equal.
 

Hblackheart

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Hmmm, That futuremark post of around 490 watts... lets see 75 percent of a fully loaded 650 watt psu(Given it can pull 100 percent -Not recommended)... Leaves it around 487.5 watts. Better safe than sorry if you go for a 580. And yes going above 75 percent on a psu does tend to stress them. Not all psu's are created equal and doing some research at hardwaresecrets or johnny guru will back up exactly what I have posted. And I never claimed I could spell....lol Reasoning can be done with tact as a matter o fact..............
 

mnewsham

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Hmmm, That futuremark post of around 490 watts... lets see 75 percent of a fully loaded 650 watt psu(Given it can pull 100 percent -Not recommended)... Leaves it around 487.5 watts. Better safe than sorry if you go for a 580. And yes going above 75 percent on a psu does tend to stress them. Not all psu's are created equal and doing some research at hardwaresecrets or johnny guru will back up exactly what I have posted. And I never claimed I could spell....lol Reasoning can be done with tact as a matter o fact..............

johnny guru rated the unit i posted a 9.5 out of 10. And it keeps it's 80plus bronze cert. under 20% and above 100% load.
 

Campy

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Hmmm, That futuremark post of around 490 watts... lets see 75 percent of a fully loaded 650 watt psu(Given it can pull 100 percent -Not recommended)... Leaves it around 487.5 watts. Better safe than sorry if you go for a 580. And yes going above 75 percent on a psu does tend to stress them. Not all psu's are created equal and doing some research at hardwaresecrets or johnny guru will back up exactly what I have posted. And I never claimed I could spell....lol Reasoning can be done with tact as a matter o fact..............

I think you can pull 650W out of a 650W rated PSU but at 80% efficiency it will pull 812.5W from the socket.

For PC building purposes you have to take into consideration how many amps the 12V is rated for of cource
 

Hblackheart

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All dependant on the psu. Some melt down/fry/start smelling hot/get real loud. I will give you an example of a better psu. Corsair hx620. This would pull 750 watts before it was getting out of spec. It has a larger fan than most and can handle some punishment. You can not expect this from most brands though. Only a few. After replacing a small mountain of psu's for clients... I generally err on the side of caution and try to stick to the 75 percent rule. I do feel though we are splitting hairs over a 100 watts. To each thier own.
 

mfenn

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All dependant on the psu. Some melt down/fry/start smelling hot/get real loud. I will give you an example of a better psu. Corsair hx620. This would pull 750 watts before it was getting out of spec. It has a larger fan than most and can handle some punishment. You can not expect this from most brands though. Only a few. After replacing a small mountain of psu's for clients... I generally err on the side of caution and try to stick to the 75 percent rule. I do feel though we are splitting hairs over a 100 watts. To each thier own.

I don't recommend PSUs that can't handle at least their rated wattage, so that argument is going nowhere fast.

The 70-85% load when the system is running flat out is pretty much ideal sizing. The reason for that is that a system's idle load is going to be far lower. You never want to go below 20% of rated wattage if you can help it, because otherwise your efficiency is going to be terrible.
 

mnewsham

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I don't recommend PSUs that can't handle at least their rated wattage, so that argument is going nowhere fast.

The 70-85% load when the system is running flat out is pretty much ideal sizing. The reason for that is that a system's idle load is going to be far lower. You never want to go below 20% of rated wattage if you can help it, because otherwise your efficiency is going to be terrible.

Except the unit i post :p it is efficient well below 20%
 

exzander

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Okay, so I made this thread a few weeks back, and I'm going to be buying the PC on Monday.

I'm posting it again just to refresh and make sure this is the right build, that it's all compatible/works correctly together, etc. I decided that I will be using my CD/DVD burner I already have, so I took that out of the build.

Thank you guys again for all your help, please let me know if this is correct one more time (it's a lot of money, want to double check), then I'll be buying it on Monday. :)

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Processor - Intel Core i5-2500k Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz
Motherboard - GA-Z68A-D3H
RAM - G-Skill DDR3 1333 8GB
PSU - XFX Core Edition PRO550W
GPU - GTX 570
Case - LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62
Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009222

Total = $1,228.

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mfenn

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Okay, so I made this thread a few weeks back, and I'm going to be buying the PC on Monday.

I'm posting it again just to refresh and make sure this is the right build, that it's all compatible/works correctly together, etc. I decided that I will be using my CD/DVD burner I already have, so I took that out of the build.

Thank you guys again for all your help, please let me know if this is correct one more time (it's a lot of money, want to double check), then I'll be buying it on Monday. :)

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Processor - Intel Core i5-2500k Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz
Motherboard - GA-Z68A-D3H
RAM - G-Skill DDR3 1333 8GB
PSU - XFX Core Edition PRO550W
GPU - GTX 570
Case - LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62
Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009222

Total = $1,228.

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:thumbsup: from me!
 

exzander

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If I were to get a GTX 580 instead of the 570, what would be the needed power supply? I know you guys discussed it a bit, but I didn't really get a final answer on it.

Also, if I do get a 580, which 580 should I get?

My check was late so was not able to order yet, but it finally came in today so tomorrow I can start ordering. It also was bigger than I thought, so I might want to pump a bit more power into the PC even if it's a bit more expensive, which is why I'm asking about the 580 and needed power supply.

Thanks again for all the advice guys, you have no idea how much it helps, and I'm sorry if bumping the thread is annoying, I just figure it's better to bump a thread with all the info of the build in it for the question, rather than making a whole new thread.
 
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dma0991

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Bump the 550W to a 650W if you're getting the GTX580 and 850W if there are future plans to SLI with another GTX580. Get any GTX580 with an aftermarket cooler like the MSI Twin Frozr II/III or Asus DirectCU II or similar. If you still have money to spare get an aftermarket cooler for the CPU. It will run cooler and headroom for some overclocking. The Noctua NH-D14 would be nice.
 

Blue Shift

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If I were to get a GTX 580 instead of the 570, what would be the needed power supply? I know you guys discussed it a bit, but I didn't really get a final answer on it.

Also, if I do get a 580, which 580 should I get?

My check was late so was not able to order yet, but it finally came in today so tomorrow I can start ordering. It also was bigger than I thought, so I might want to pump a bit more power into the PC even if it's a bit more expensive, which is why I'm asking about the 580 and needed power supply.

Thanks again for all the advice guys, you have no idea how much it helps, and I'm sorry if bumping the thread is annoying, I just figure it's better to bump a thread with all the info of the build in it for the question, rather than making a whole new thread.

One of the reasons no one here is recommending a 580 is that they can be hot and loud, as well as raise your power bill. If there's no immediate need for one, you'd be better off selling your 570 next year and buying a "670" (or whatever its actual name will be) which, judging from experience with past generations, will match or exceed the performance you'd expect from a 580.

My advice: If you're considering using Nvidia's "3D Vision" and therefore require 60+ fps at all times, or if you simply MUST be able to turn Ubersampling on in The Witcher 2, get a 580. Otherwise...


In terms of which 580 to get, remember that you're already paying an arm and a leg. Buying one from a reputable manufacturer with a good track record in terms of honoring warranties (I'm thinking EVGA) wouldn't cost you much more.



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The above parts look fine, but I'd trust mfenn when it comes to selecting a power supply. Remember that the 490W Anand noted (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305) is the full power draw for the system at the wall, not the amount of power draw from the GPU specifically or even from all components in his test system combined. It's the power draw of the entire system in FurMark (perhaps the best application in existence for stressing GPUs) AFTER passing through a power supply which might only be 80-90% efficient.

If you want to assume that the PSU is 90% efficient, subtract 10% to get the draw of the system's components: 450W. 550W, then, should be gracious plenty.
If you want to play it safe and assume 100% efficiency, that's still only 490W. Again, 550W is plenty.

650W still isn't completely unreasonable unless you're spending too much for it. Unfortunately, with that Corsair model, you are.

Please note that 550W is plenty only if the power supply itself can actually handle close to what it's rated for. Some can't, but there are people on these forums who can help you distinguish quality from crap when it comes to PSUs. (Unfortunately, I'm not one of them.)
 
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exzander

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Okay guys, thanks for all the help.

I decided to go with the 570 and power supply that was suggested earlier (the build I had before). I was just getting greedy with wanting that little extra push. :)

Thanks for your advice about the 580 and all that, helped a lot. Will go order now, thanks a lot guys.