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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
I dunno if this is good news or bad news to those who plan to upgrade. However, here are the benchmarks for several games on Vista vs. XP.

Maybe in the future this will be fixed, but as it stands, this isn't good.

http://techgage.com/article/windows_vista_gaming_performance_reports

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You again. :roll:

Most likely due to nvidia drivers, which are in terrible shape right now.

ATI is much further ahead, and is showing a significant performance *gain* (10-15%) in many games with their drivers. See here:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_performance_amd_catalyst_7.1/

The only confirmation you have provided is that nvidia vista drivers suck, and I completely agree.

The OS isn't the issue - it actually is optimized for gaming, believe it or not. (Which I'm sure you don't.) There were the same growing pains with new driver architecture when Win2000 came out, so it's not entirely unexpected.
 
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Also, turning on aero glass shows ZERO performance difference in 3d games, since it's disabled while you're running full screen:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_aero_glass_performance/


The only video problem vista is having with gaming right now are immature drivers (to be expected on the first day), and old games not properly recognizing the new OS version and refusing to install.

But audio on the other hand...thats a whole other thread, and they really screwed the pooch on that one.
 
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Yes, Having installed the new ATI driver on Vista yesterday, CS:S had a huge performance increase. Without technical results, it feels about the same as XP in terms of performance.

Either today or tomorrow I'm going to test out a couple more games...Company of heroes being the main one. But I am very optimistic about Vista if it already is on par with XP in performance, in a year, it should be ahead in all categories.
 
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XP had these same game issues when it was first released?

If you don?t want to upgrade to Vista don?t but why do you care so much what other people do?


 
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Quinton McLeod

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But these are the final release drivers. These drivers are out of beta and official. This is still an issue
 
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Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
 
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Quinton McLeod

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Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
But these are the final release drivers. These drivers are out of beta and official. This is still an issue
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You are incorrect. These drivers are still beta.

Per the article they are using 100.54 drivers:
ASUS EN7900GT 256MB (100.54 in Vista, 93.71 in XP)

Per nVidia the 100.54 drivers are beta:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_100.54.html
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What are you talking about? They were just finalized the other day!
 
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
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Why do I get full surround in Quake 4?
 
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Yep, nVidia still needs to refine their drivers a good bit. The new Cats made all the difference after I installed them last night.
 
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Quinton McLeod

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Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
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Why do I get full surround in Quake 4?
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I think Quake 4 uses EAX and not DirectSound.
 
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Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
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Why do I get full surround in Quake 4?
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I haven't read much about it, but Openal is supported in Vista. Q4 probably uses that, as does UT2k4 which sounds great in Vista. Direct sound is no longer supported, but Creative is working on a wrapper to keep old games sounding good. I don't recall what the app. is called, but it's still in beta stage.
 
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lxskllr

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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
Click to expand...

Why do I get full surround in Quake 4?
Click to expand...

I think Quake 4 uses EAX and not DirectSound.
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EAX utilizes DirectSound for it's effects.
 
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Quinton McLeod

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
Click to expand...

Why do I get full surround in Quake 4?
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I think Quake 4 uses EAX and not DirectSound.
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EAX utilizes DirectSound for it's effects.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I just quickly scanned this page:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products/x-fi/technology/quake4/
 
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
But these are the final release drivers. These drivers are out of beta and official. This is still an issue
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You are incorrect. These drivers are still beta.

Per the article they are using 100.54 drivers:
ASUS EN7900GT 256MB (100.54 in Vista, 93.71 in XP)

Per nVidia the 100.54 drivers are beta:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_100.54.html
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What are you talking about? They were just finalized the other day!
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They are NOT final. it says right there by the driver download that they are BETA. Are you blind or do you just selectively troll and ignore things that don't fit your blatant Vista trolls?
 
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Quinton McLeod

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Originally posted by: sam509
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

What are you talking about? They were just finalized the other day!
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What are you talking about? They were just finalized today.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_100.54.html

And they are still not good. Just like XP it will take a couple of months for drivers to catch up.
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My bad... They were suppose to finalize them earlier than today. However, they ARE finalized and I knew I wasn't losing my mind.
 
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

My bad... They were suppose to finalize them earlier than today. However, they ARE finalized and I knew I wasn't losing my mind.
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Even if they are stated as being "Finalized" what difference is it going to make in an immature driver? ATIs and nVidias drivers have been "Finalized" for Windows XP for almost as long as XP has been out, and yet there are still new driver releases that fix problems and, in some cases, cause performance increases.

On the other hand, Vista is using yet another new driver tech, so to have a finalized driver that preforms as well matured developed drivers is just insane to think of or compare. Seriously, give it a couple of months and a few driver releases, and I'm willing to bet that Vista performance penalty will be less then XPs (plus it will have DX10 cards and drivers that will blow XPs DX9 capabilities out of the water in quality)
 
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: sam509
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

What are you talking about? They were just finalized the other day!
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What are you talking about? They were just finalized today.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_100.54.html

And they are still not good. Just like XP it will take a couple of months for drivers to catch up.
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My bad... They were suppose to finalize them earlier than today. However, they ARE finalized and I knew I wasn't losing my mind.
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No they are still beta drivers their release was finalized today. Click the link and look, you will see todays date and the word beta. It will take months for drives to catch up with the OS and I guess meanwhile you will continue to?


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I did a few benchmarks of 3Dmar05/06, and Im getting better results on XP than Vista. I assume its due to driver support for the most part.
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
But these are the final release drivers. These drivers are out of beta and official. This is still an issue
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Yep, they're the last drivers that will EVER be released for vista. Didnt everyone know that? MS decided that you could only release drivers *before* the OS is out. All the hardware you will buy in the next few years will be useless until the next OS comes out due to this policy change. Didnt you know?!?!?! I bet you didnt! Damn you microsoft! :roll:

And don't bother picking apart the semantics of my statement. Finalized or not, they're immature - it's a temporary driver problem, not a problem with the OS itself.

Did you know they also took away Direct Sound and Direct Sound 3D from Vista? Meaning. all your games will get bland stereo sound? I mean, what's up with that?
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Although that particular change does hurt, past and future openAL games will work just fine. And creative is going to release a wrapper that will translate the DS3D calls into OpenAL calls, so it will work...eventually. Being that creative cards are basically the only gaming sound card left, that should satisfy most people.

But lets not get into a discussion about something you clearly dont understand.

Back to graphics - I was honestly, genuinely surprised to see a boost in some games with ATI cards. I was expecting a small hit or equal performance, but definitely not a boost. If ATI can do it, so can nvidia, so now it's just a waiting game. :thumbsup:
 
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