Spike
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- Aug 27, 2001
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Man, I love that mouse. I have used those as gaming mice for 7 years and still love them. I changed over to a G5 about a year ago for my main rig due to the on the fly dpi changing but man, I still love that intellimouse optical. I now use one at work as well as with my lanbox at parties since I'm too lazy to unhook and take along my G5.
As for the topic at hand I would personally rather keep the G5. Regardless of your initial perceptions a wired mouse is almost always more accurate than a wirless and in this case it's doubly so due to the increase USB reporting (polling) rate. I did not know the difference was as huge as some are saying but I did know that it does noticably impact performance.
Otherwise the G5 is worth it simply for the changing your dpi on the fly. As others have stated it helps a ton when going from infantry to vehicles. For me I use the three settings as:
Lowest: sniper or other ranged weapons
Medium: general purpose moving around
High: driving/flying any kind of vehicle.
These work no matter what the game and can be fine tuned with the logitech software, you can even enable two more custom dpi levels for 5 total modes.
Anyway, in the end it all really comes down to your preference. I can't imagine not being able to tell the difference but if you can't then it's not worth the money. Though if money is all your concerned about then just wait for the G5 to go on sale, I picked up a few of them for $30 a piece from costco and I have seen them go for cheaper a few times from other online retailers.
IIRC, while it certainly doesn't support the feature with any official driver, that intellimouse optical is capable of polling at 1000Hz.
if you want to get good at a game, don't change your sensitivity, get used to only one, or at least that's the cs1.6 way 
by the way, the intelli 1.1a only has only 400dpi, just an FYI for those that love 2k+ dpi
by the way, the intelli 1.1a only has only 400dpi, just an FYI for those that love 2k+ dpi
as far as optical mice go, the intellimouse 3.0 or whatever it was called, was the original gaming mouse imo before dedicated gaming mice came out. i have a g9 now which i use for daily use. it's damn comfortable and i love it. it works pretty good for games too.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
- Oct 27, 2007
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The MX is a vastly superior mouse anyway, much much nicer than the G5 in both games and desktop apps.
M0oG0oGaiPan
Diamond Member
There's a huge difference between unchecking that box and running that registry config. You'd have to run the script to know what I'm talking about. It's all about having smooth mouse movements. I guess it depends on the game you're playing. Making flick shots through double doors on dust 2 versus sniper shots in tf2 which seems to have larger head hitboxes. It would probably make even a bigger difference in <= cs 1.6 which has even smaller hitboxes than cs:s.
Really it's all about preference. I just use a MS Blue optical. I had a razor laser gaming mouse but I hated it because of the way it picked up my mouse movements.
You might be referring to the original Intellimouse Explorer. I had one back in 2000 and used it for a long time, but the cable broke at some point and I had to replace it.
My cordless mouse frags as a form of nourishment
I have a few gaming mice, but they don't work very well for my type of gaming... (on the couch, TV = monitor).
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
- Oct 27, 2007
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well i played several with G5 at 2000 dpi. Crysis,UT3,FC2,Warhead and Tombraider Underworld,BF2142. comming from an MX, i immediatly had to lower the sensetivity to compensate and a whole week of gaming, i didnt notice ONE single darn difference.
anyway, i already took the G5 back. you guys read too many tech articles. maybe some people can notice differences with various things but overall, its great if you can and its great if you believe all the marketing as fact but to me it appears like a MS's Mojave experiment or something.
i dont care about high numbers and technical details, i care about noticable performance advantages and moving from a MX to a G5 and then being called a NOOB by some 12 yr old brat and later teabagged by another is not what i call an advancement.
anyway, i already took the G5 back. you guys read too many tech articles. maybe some people can notice differences with various things but overall, its great if you can and its great if you believe all the marketing as fact but to me it appears like a MS's Mojave experiment or something.
i dont care about high numbers and technical details, i care about noticable performance advantages and moving from a MX to a G5 and then being called a NOOB by some 12 yr old brat and later teabagged by another is not what i call an advancement.
Capt Caveman
Lifer
- Jan 30, 2005
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I use both a MX and G7. The G7 is for gaming and MX for everyday use. There's no way I would ever use the MX for serious gaming (ie. online multi-player fps).
Did you play around with the polling rate? If you can't notice the difference, then you don't need the better mouse for your gaming needs.
Capt Caveman
Lifer
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Being able to adjust your dpi on fly helps a lot in gaming. If you're playing a fps, having a lower dpi(as you quoted) helps when sniping and using long range weapons. However, in close quarter combat, using vehicles or when you need to your cursor across the screen quickly being able to adjust your mouse to a higher dpi could make the difference between killing the enemy or being killed.
As bunnyfubbles mentioned, polling rate is huge. A higher polling rate reduces the latency and increases the response time of your mouse. Similar to having a low ping compared to a high ping on a server. Again, it can mean the difference of getting the kill or being killed.
rstrohkirch
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- May 31, 2005
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New g5 user here...was going to make a long post on the difference between it and the 5 year old logitech optical I've been using. I'm going to shorten it say that SetPoint pisses me off with it constantly messing up the dpi settings especially when alt-tabbing out of source games.
i don't even have setpoint installed, it eats too much memory, i didn't see any difference between setpoint and the standard drivers that come with windows. Also, it meant that i didn't have to bother installing them whenever i went to cs1.6 lan competitions
rstrohkirch
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I may uninstall them and see if I notice any differences. From a memory standpoint, I stopped worrying about that years ago.
The MX Revolution is designed from the ground up to be an office mouse, they purposefully scaled back the polling rate (the frequency of which movements and clicks are being measured) in order to save battery life.
Combine that purposefully introduced latency with the latency inherent in wireless devices and it gets worse.
Secondly, it uses a laser for its sensor (again, to save on batteries). The kicker here is that lasers - even ones in gaming grade mouses, especially those in the first generation - have had a draw back of incredibly poor performance in high speed moves. This isn't so bad if you're using a higher DPI laser and need smaller, more twitch-like movements, but for something like the MX Revolution and its relatively meager 800 DPI you're going to be far more prone to needing to make longer swipes faster where its laser will tank in performance, skipping pixels and providing undesired acceleration (cursor moving faster or slower than normal relative to your moving the mouse)
idiotekniQues
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- Jan 4, 2007
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the extra thumb buttons on the 518 are my favorite.
the 'forward' thumb button is reload. the 'back' thumb button is weapon zoom. takes two buttons away from my left hand. and squishing the mouse wheel is jump.
this=pwnage
the 'forward' thumb button is reload. the 'back' thumb button is weapon zoom. takes two buttons away from my left hand. and squishing the mouse wheel is jump.
this=pwnage
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
- Oct 27, 2007
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again as i mentioned, i didnt notice any advantage, (yes all settings tested) i did same results with MX. some will notice and some i guess wont. probably depends on how the person plays and his/her hand and eye coordination.
money wasnt the issue, but no sense in spending more for same results minus the wireless.
as far as lag...i have never lagged with the MX, maybe some others or older mice. if i didnt notice the lag tehn i'm sure i wouldve seen the difference in the G5
i did try googling for actual benchmark comparisons of mice out of curiosity, apparantly no software exists that could measure subtle differences. other than personal reviews based on opinions is about it
Capt Caveman
Lifer
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Do you play online fps games? The difference is like night and day with me, especially in one on one situations.
bf2142 and UT3 was all.
though i did forget to mention that i use a Razer xspeed mouse pad. and my MX mouse has some poly*** whatever things on the feet to make it slicker, so that probably helps
i just now took it off the mousepad and used it on my desk for a second and it sucks by comparison. cant beat a good mousepad. maybe the G5 wouldve done better on my desk without the mousepad and i wouldve seen the difference then, who knows.
though i did forget to mention that i use a Razer xspeed mouse pad. and my MX mouse has some poly*** whatever things on the feet to make it slicker, so that probably helps
i just now took it off the mousepad and used it on my desk for a second and it sucks by comparison. cant beat a good mousepad. maybe the G5 wouldve done better on my desk without the mousepad and i wouldve seen the difference then, who knows.
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