[GameGPU] Just Cause 2 (Retro gaming test)

[RussianSensation]

Some of you may be aware that JC3 is a GameWorks title that launches on December 1st.

How does the predecessor run on current hardware? I was honestly shocked by the results.

Source

Just Cause 3 - 1st Hour of Gameplay video

 

[stuff_me_good]

i3-4330 faster than i7-4770K.. say whaat?

 

[Enigmoid]

i3-4330 faster than i7-4770K.. say whaat?

Uncertainties and error in min fps. A single value is rather problematic; if a single measurement during a run is low the entire run is characterized by that value.

 

[tviceman]

It's a fairly demanding game considering how old it is. It will be interesting comparing visuals and performance of the this one and JC3.

 

[Silverforce11]

@RS Wasn't JC2 a TWIMTBP game? IIRC, there was NV's logo on startup, with unique features like Bokeh DoF.

I don't remember a 7970Ghz being 50% faster than 680 in this title back then, or faster than 780Ti!

 

[tviceman]

@RS Wasn't JC2 a TWIMTBP game? IIRC, there was NV's logo on startup, with unique features like Bokeh DoF.

I don't remember a 7970Ghz being 50% faster than 680 in this title back then, or faster than 780Ti!

Just now noticed. Taking it further, any Nvidia below a GTX 980 pretty much tanks. The GTX 970 doesn't good.

 

[Vesku]

Is this Nvidia failing to continue to optimize for Kepler? GTX 770 scored fairly close behind 7970 GHz edition in 2013:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5566/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-2gb-video-card-review/index9.html

 

[Rvenger]

VRAM usage is odd too.

 

[Red Hawk]

Avalanche Studios are great, they did solid work with Mad Max. So there's a fair chance that they can make Gameworks work well even on AMD cards.

 

[RampantAndroid]

When did JC2 become "retro"?

 

[SPBHM]

When did JC2 become "retro"?

the game is older than the HD 6000 Radeons and those are already "legacy" with no drivers support, so I guess it's all retro at this point

 

[crisium]

It launched the same month Fermi did. Seems ancient. Also it's surprising what it takes to get 60fps considering the 480 was the fastest at that time and that card is generally in the range of 750 Ti and 660.

 

[SPBHM]

It launched the same month Fermi did. Seems ancient. Also it's surprising what it takes to get 60fps considering the 480 was the fastest at that time and that card is generally in the range of 750 Ti and 660.

480 will get around the same framerate as the 660 at those settings, the game was very demanding.

 

[Mondozei]

The 7870 being neck in neck to the 770 at 1440p just made me laugh, along with the 280X beating a Titan.

This is great work by GameGPU, because it's an awesome example of how massively performance can shift during years of optimisations if it happens to be a game that people play for a long time. Most games are abandoned within a few months after launch but for those rare games that people keep coming back to, and JC2 is one of them, it nevertheless pays to pay attention to which company has the better track record for long-term optimisations.

 

[Techhog]

There goes my hype for JC3. There are new games that run better than this...

 

[RampantAndroid]

There goes my hype for JC3. There are new games that run better than this...

So, wait...old game apparently isn't well optimized in drivers (iirc, it ran FINE for me last time I launched it - probably a year and a half ago) so....you're done with JC3?

I feel like I'm doing myself a great service not paying any attention to hype and brand battles that go on...

 

[happy medium]

I'm still trying to get the point of this thread?
Is this a PC gaming thread?
Is there a question to be answered?
Is it a Just cause 3 announcement?

There is no link to the gamegpu article?

 

[Techhog]

I'm still trying to get the point of this thread?
Is this a PC gaming thread?
Is there a question to be answered?
Is it a Just cause 3 announcement?

There is no link to the gamegpu article?

You don't know that it releases on Tuesday?

 

[wilds]

JC2 runs great on a lot of hardware. The main reason I love this game is that it scales well with weak video cards and looks quite good despite the hardware that runs it. It doesn't run into the 1 GB bottleneck for older cards while still being visually demanding; meaning older cards with high overclocks are still relevant in this game. Laptop users love this game.

I'm not too worried that JC3 is a GameWorks title because I know Avalanche is a competent game developing studio. Even if Benchmarks say otherwise, there will options to turn off whatever kills performance; just like Fallout 4.

It'll be interesting to see if JC3 can be a great looking game on low end hardware like its predecessors.

 

[3DVagabond]

I'm still trying to get the point of this thread?
Is this a PC gaming thread?
Is there a question to be answered?
Is it a Just cause 3 announcement?

There is no link to the gamegpu article?

Not everyone just benches a game on release day and then puts it away. Some people play favorite games for a lot longer. Good to see how support for a game evolves.

 

[RussianSensation]

I'm still trying to get the point of this thread?

- To see how JC3 performs relative to JC2 with modern cards and how far the franchise has progressed in terms of graphics, and optimizations. Having JC2 data close to JC3 release is pretty handy.
- It also will let us see how well optimized JC3 and its GameWorks features are by comparing graphics of JC3 to JC2 and relative performance.
- It also helps us see how newer cards perform in legacy games. Some gamers might be replaying JC2 prior to JC3's release or may want to pick up JC2 after they play JC3.

Is there a question to be answered?

There is question but GameGPU tends to revisit some older titles prior to the launch of their successors (BF2/3 before BF4, FC2 before FC3, etc.). When they do this, they call these tests Retro.

For example, they previously revisited the The Witcher 1, The Witcher 2, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, GTA IV.

With Mass Effect Andromeda, Fallout 4, The Witcher 3 and GTA V on the minds of many, it made sense why they decided to retest some of those older titles.

There is no link to the gamegpu article?

I now added it to the post.

it nevertheless pays to pay attention to which company has the better track record for long-term optimisations.

I agree. Some gamers either missed older titles and are new to the franchise or may want to replace the older games maxed out or even with DSR/VSR / on 4K.

Sometimes you'd be very surprised by the results. Puts the whole AMD driver's suck myth into perspective, doesn't it?

Also, as a side-note, the Witcher 2 is crazy demanding, even now.

 

[tential]

That Witcher 2 looks off. I had amazing FPS at 1440p throughout the game and I JUST played it with my R9 290.
It was ~40 FPS with my 7950 though. Not sure what they're doing, but there is just no way these cards can't handle The Witcher 2 at 1080p.....

And you're just pissing me off even more RS because some of us don't have access to 4K VSR, so we can play Fallout 3 at 4K VSR easily, but it's been disabled despite it working with Wagner's mod previously.

Yes though, games should be retested, it's infuriating when games aren't retested. I don't play games when they're released, and I definitely want to see how the previous title performs when a new title comes out incase I want to go back and play the previous title first. If I haven't played a title, and find out now my GPU can play it on Ultra 4K, etc. and it's a great title, it's nice to know, so throwback game reviews are GREAT!

Edit: Just shows how great my R9 290 is for playing older titles too which is what I bought it for. Fallout 4 is a detour although a pleasant one.

 

[Azix]

Uncertainties and error in min fps. A single value is rather problematic; if a single measurement during a run is low the entire run is characterized by that value.

this is what I have been wondering about this minimum FPS craze. Unless they take an average then its misleading. Some sites do 1% minimum etc

The game is not that impressive on graphics so we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oe5eckVrNw

not vastly better than JC2

 

[RussianSensation]

That Witcher 2 looks off. I had amazing FPS at 1440p throughout the game and I JUST played it with my R9 290.
It was ~40 FPS with my 7950 though. Not sure what they're doing, but there is just no way these cards can't handle The Witcher 2 at 1080p.....

They are using Ubersampling = SSAA, that's why.

And you're just pissing me off even more RS because some of us don't have access to 4K VSR, so we can play Fallout 3 at 4K VSR easily, but it's been disabled despite it working with Wagner's mod previously.

Ya, they tested it on the ASUS PQ321Q 31.5-Inch 4K Monitor.

Yes though, games should be retested, it's infuriating when games aren't retested. I don't play games when they're released, and I definitely want to see how the previous title performs when a new title comes out incase I want to go back and play the previous title first. If I haven't played a title, and find out now my GPU can play it on Ultra 4K, etc. and it's a great title, it's nice to know, so throwback game reviews are GREAT!

I think once 16nm GPUs launch, sites need to start testing 1080P games with VSR/DSR. 100+ fps is not the only way 1080P gamers play their games. Else, 1080P benchmarks for next gen cards will become even more CPU limited.

Just shows how great my R9 290 is for playing older titles too which is what I bought it for. Fallout 4 is a detour although a pleasant one.

But AMD drivers suck. :sneaky:

this is what I have been wondering about this minimum FPS craze. Unless they take an average then its misleading. Some sites do 1% minimum etc

True. It would be better to have frame times graphs too.

Sweclockers sometimes uses traditional FPS and frame times but I imagine not every site wants to devote so much time to each GPU review.

That's why it's good to read 5-10 different reviews to get more statistical data.

The game is not that impressive on graphics so we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oe5eckVrNw

not vastly better than JC2

Ya, you kinda have to go in with the mind-set that this game was made for PS4/XB1 and is purely an arcade title, not striving for any realism besides the Havok physics destruction.

 

[96Firebird]

Imagine if AMD drivers were this good when the cards launched. Nvidia would have been forced to drop prices.

Can't wait for JC3, the second one was very fun. Not so much in a realistic sense, more in a fly around and blow stuff up sense.