[GameGPU] Fallout 4 Patch 1.3 -- Performance Revisited

[MrTeal]

I hope 1.4 does eventually bring xfire support. It'd be nice to turn stuff up at 4k.

 

[AtenRa]

I agree with the earlier statement, but I think it's way too early to tell for AMD on the performance side. AMD's biggest problem is launch drivers too.

This time they didnt change the architecture from VLIW-4 to GCN. So Launch drivers should be a lot better this time.

 

[tential]

This time they didnt change the architecture from VLIW-4 to GCN. So Launch drivers should be a lot better this time.

Launch drivers for games. Or launch performance for games. Either that way it's not great right now. Amd wins follow up benches, which even less people read than initial game bench reviews

 

[Stuka87]

I dont complain about the drivers of AMD because of performance, its because of glitches and crashes. That being said, looks like there is quite a bit of optimization needs to be done with the current run of nvidia drivers.

I cannot recall the last time I had one of my AMD machines crash on me. It has literally been years.

My nVidia stuff has been pretty solid too, except for my older Dell precision which has major driver issues, and its running the latest. Oh, and my other Precision which I got this last summer has an issue for the HDMI port goes black about 5 times a day, and its a very common issue with this model. No driver fix for it yet.

 

[AtenRa]

Launch drivers for games. Or launch performance for games. Either that way it's not great right now. Amd wins follow up benches, which even less people read than initial game bench reviews

I though you were talking about GPU launch drivers.

 

[pj-]

These results are weird

Here is the original performance with SSAO (SSAO enabled is shown in screenshot here)

And the results from the beta patch..

Why is 780ti down 35% from where it was a couple months ago in the same game?

Why are 980ti, 980, 970 all down 10%+?

 

[tviceman]

Why is 780ti down 35% from where it was a couple months ago in the same game?

Why are 980ti, 980, 970 all down 10%+?

Yep, just as I said in the second post of this thread, something is sabotaging Nvidia performance. 780 TI performance before: 38 fps, after 25 fps. HmmMmMMMmmmmmmm.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Its not the same IQ between AMD and NVidia. Weapon Debris etc. Just shows you get more value for money with Gameworks

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1583568-fallout-4-13-beta-update/

Also beta is beta.

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Something broke Nvidia drivers for sure.

 

[Techhog]

These results are weird

Here is the original performance with SSAO (SSAO enabled is shown in screenshot here)

And the results from the beta patch..

Why is 780ti down 35% from where it was a couple months ago in the same game?

Why are 980ti, 980, 970 all down 10%+?

That first image doesn't mention SSAO.


EDIT: Never mind. My eyes lied to me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

That first image doesn't mention SSAO.

See his link. Its enabled.

 

[Techhog]

See his link. Its enabled.

My eyes skipped over that. My bad.

 

[TheELF]

Yep, just as I said in the second post of this thread, something is sabotaging Nvidia performance. 780 TI performance before: 38 fps, after 25 fps. HmmMmMMMmmmmmmm.

Well, they are using MSI afterburner it happens sometimes that MSI blocks your GPU at 2D frequencies.

 

[Silverforce11]

Launch drivers for games. Or launch performance for games. Either that way it's not great right now. Amd wins follow up benches, which even less people read than initial game bench reviews

I think we all know here that AMD's launch performance for games are outstanding... unless its a GimpWorks title.

I don't expect it to change in the DX12 era, NV has the $$ to buy developers to put in their propriety closed source blackboxes into games.

AMD just needs to work harder and faster to overcome the performance crippling, because NV isn't going to suddenly play nice.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I cannot recall the last time I had one of my AMD machines crash on me. It has literally been years.

My nVidia stuff has been pretty solid too, except for my older Dell precision which has major driver issues, and its running the latest. Oh, and my other Precision which I got this last summer has an issue for the HDMI port goes black about 5 times a day, and its a very common issue with this model. No driver fix for it yet.

Wish I could say the same. FO4 crashes repeatedly with my HD7770. Dont know if it is realated to the card or something else though. I think it crashed (to desktop) 4 times in one night recently. My card is below min spec though, so that could be the problem.

(Seriously though, 7870 min spec for a game that looks like this?)

 

[Silverforce11]

Yep, just as I said in the second post of this thread, something is sabotaging Nvidia performance. 780 TI performance before: 38 fps, after 25 fps. HmmMmMMMmmmmmmm.

You think it's a coincidence? This beta patch has Bethesda working with NV to add MORE GimpWorks stuff to the game and now performance tanks worse for Kepler...

At some point you guys need to recognize that GimpWorks is bad for gamers all round, even those on the latest & greatest because the IQ it provides is extremely lacking compared to the performance tanking it causes. That and it seems unoptimized for Kepler & AMD.

 

[SimianR]

If only NVIDIA had better relationships with developers to make sure that this sort of poor performance didn't happen, right? Or, it must be NVIDIA's drivers, couldn't possibly be the game.

 

[tential]

I though you were talking about GPU launch drivers.

Ya but I mean I don't play games day 1 due to the "pay to beta test model." I'll wait for the mature game for a better experience.
One thing I do think amd does need to fix asap though is crossfire.

For how much amd puts into dual gpus, they need to make sure it works. Crossfire is amazing scaling ad it's usually quite cheap to add the second card in later in the life of the card. I mean crossfire 290s would give me acceptable 4k performance in this game I imagine once you scale back a setting or two which I have done now.

Especially if amd continues to have improvements that effect older gpus, being able to crossfire is great. Even better if amd can allow mix/maxing of gpus.

 

[Phynaz]

I think I'll be disabling auto updates for a little while.

But then it is beta.

Edit: So apparently you can't disable updates anymore.

 

[DiogoDX]

So much bad developers of pc games.

 

[Azix]

Wait till nVidia starts charging for driver upgrades

this is quite possible. If they become a monopoly there would be no obstacle preventing them turning game optimization into a service. monthly subscription.... :'(

 

[Stuka87]

Wish I could say the same. FO4 crashes repeatedly with my HD7770. Dont know if it is realated to the card or something else though. I think it crashed (to desktop) 4 times in one night recently. My card is below min spec though, so that could be the problem.

(Seriously though, 7870 min spec for a game that looks like this?)

Sadly, the game crashes a lot for everybody, even on consoles.

And the engine is not well optimized at all. It looks worse than many other AAA games from the last year or two, yet runs worse at the same time.

 

[hawtdawg]

something is sabotaging Nvidia performance.

This is probably a sign that Pascal is about to launch.

 

[iiiankiii]

This is probably a sign that Pascal is about to launch.

lol. It's funny because it's true.

 

[zlatan]

These results are weird

Here is the original performance with SSAO (SSAO enabled is shown in screenshot here)

And the results from the beta patch..

Why is 780ti down 35% from where it was a couple months ago in the same game?

Why are 980ti, 980, 970 all down 10%+?

Probably some original renderer optimization is inactive in the new patch, because these were not compatible with HBAO+ or Flex. Because Gameworks is closed source middleware you can't change the effect source to make it compatible with the renderer optimization. In this case you have to change the renderer, and it may lead to performance boost or performance degradation on some architectures.
This is fixable if they will spend some months to optimize for the new criterias.

 

[Erenhardt]

Those test were running in different locations. Comparing the results from one to another is invalid. Comparing GPU stack from one test to another is a legitimate question about GPU architecture capabilities and software optimizations.

Is this one of those 3-months-after-release-magic-performance-out-of-nowhere patch for amd GPUs we see in GW games?