[GameGPU] Fallout 4 Patch 1.3 -- Performance Revisited

[RussianSensation]

Worst showing from Kepler architecture in a modern GameWorks game I've seen since Project CARS.

R7 370 > GTX670
HD7870 > GTX680
7970 > GTX780
HD7970Ghz = 280X > 780Ti

And people still continue spouting year after year that "NV has better drivers." Even 380X beats the OG Titan!

Nano outperforms 980 by 36%

Source

I can just imagine now, NV's software engineers are furious at Bethesda because the 1.3 patch broke NV's driver optimizations.

 

[tviceman]

Actually every one of Nvidia's cards are doing atrocious (but yes, Kepler more so). At 1080p, Fury X is beating 980 TI by 22% with SSAO and 15% with HBAO+. Something is up with that patch; it's is killing Nvidia performance.

 

[RussianSensation]

Something is up with that patch; it's is killing Nvidia performance.

The marketing $ ran out. Time to replenish the coffers. j/k

HBAO+ = NV tech:

980 is beating 780Ti by 42.5% @ 1920x1200 HBAO+
970 is beating 780Ti by 20% @ 1920x1200 HBAO+

Kepler without proper driver support is like FX5000 series without proper DX9 hardware.

 

[tential]

Actually every one of Nvidia's cards are doing atrocious (but yes, Kepler more so). At 1080p, Fury X is beating 980 TI by 22% with SSAO and 15% with HBAO+. Something is up with that patch; it's is killing Nvidia performance.

Either that, or AMD really needs to do better at working with companies to have their performance at launch, rather than months later.

Although yes, I think something probably is messing with Nvidia performance, or maybe the "optimizations" they've done (which reduced shadow quality/distance) helped AMD more than Nvidia? who knows.

 

[RussianSensation]

Either that, or AMD really needs to do better at working with companies to have their performance at launch, rather than months later.

Although yes, I think something probably is messing with Nvidia performance, or maybe the "optimizations" they've done (which reduced shadow quality/distance) helped AMD more than Nvidia? who knows.

Remove all AMD cards from the charts, just compare Kepler vs. Maxwell. NV said Maxwell is about 35-40% more efficient per CUDA core than Kepler is.

Now look at 2048 CUDA Core 980 vs. 2880 CUDA Core 780Ti.

 

[Seba]

What's the point of using settings at which you get 5 fps?

Or settings at which you need a GTX 980 Ti to keep the framerate above 60 when playing in 1920x1080 resolution?

 

[RussianSensation]

What's the point of using settings at which you get 5 fps?

Or settings at which you need a GTX 980 Ti to keep the framerate above 60 when playing in 1920x1080 resolution?

1920x1200 HBAO+

Nano = 73 fps
R9 290X ~ 390 = 59 fps
980 = 57 fps
R9 280X = 43 fps
780Ti = 40 fps

This looks normal to you?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its not the same IQ between AMD and NVidia. Weapon Debris etc. Just shows you get more value for money with Gameworks

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1583568-fallout-4-13-beta-update/

Also beta is beta.

 

[tential]

Its not the same IQ between AMD and NVidia. Weapon Debris etc. Just shows you get more value for money with Gameworks

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1583568-fallout-4-13-beta-update/

Also beta is beta.

Well, Weapon Debris is turned off right? To make it an apples to apples comparison.

Weapon Debris isn't an always on feature although you can turn it on.

 

[Samwell]

Its not the same IQ between AMD and NVidia. Weapon Debris etc. Just shows you get more value for money with Gameworks

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1583568-fallout-4-13-beta-update/

Also beta is beta.

IQ is same, they turned the stuff off. But they managed to somehow kill Nvidia performance and i expect that to be solved when the not beta patch arrives.
Kepler is actually behaving ok in FO4, just this beta patch gimped Kepler performance even more than maxwells.

 

[Stuka87]

Looks like there is no cross fire support?

 

[Techhog]

Well, Weapon Debris is turned off right? To make it an apples to apples comparison.

Weapon Debris isn't an always on feature although you can turn it on.

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Krteq]

nevermind

 

[RussianSensation]

Its not the same IQ between AMD and NVidia. Weapon Debris etc. Just shows you get more value for money with Gameworks

weapon debris is turned off as per the screenshot settings.

Also, ignoring all AMD cards, your post doesn't explain how 970/980 smash 780/780Ti into the ground. Even 960 has no trouble outperforming 770 but I guess "planned driver GPU obsolescence" is the new normal now. :thumbsup:

 

[tential]

Don't feed the troll.

True. This is why AMD works for me personally though. I take a long time to beat a game, and generally AMD performance is better than NVidia by the time I pick a game up, or becomes better in the game as I'm playing it, like this.

I really don't see why budget gamers go Nvidia, and if you're a day 1 gamer, obviously Nvidia is great.

 

[Stuka87]

Also, ignoring all AMD cards, your post doesn't explain how 970/980 smash 780/780Ti into the ground. Even 960 has no trouble outperforming 770 but I guess "planned driver GPU obsolescence" is the new normal now. :thumbsup:

Wait till nVidia starts charging for driver upgrades

 

[Gikaseixas]

Wait till nVidia starts charging for driver upgrades

That's the day i'll stop buying their products
Kepler is looking really bad in this patch.

 

[Headfoot]

Wish they would get Crossfire working...

 

[ozzy702]

As an owner of both a 7970 and a 780 (in different boxes), it's plainly obvious which of the two cards was a better purchase, and that's without taking bitcoin mining into the equation that paid for the 7970 10X.

Nvidia has abysmal support for older cards. 500 series is essentially not supported and very often super buggy, and 600/700 is not getting much love and falling behind AMD's oldest GCN cards.

Yes, AMD has the advantage of using GCN the entire time and it appears for the next several years as well which helps, but NVIDIA certainly has the resources to do a better job.

I've owned plenty of NVIDIA cards through the years, 8800gt, 260, 570sli, 780sli, and also plenty of AMD cards, 4850, 4870, 4890, 6870, 6950, 7870, 7950, 7970, and looking back both companies did a great job. It's only recently that it really feels like as a long term investment AMD has a huge advantage.

 

[PhonakV30]

1920x1200 HBAO+

Nano = 73 fps
R9 290X ~ 390 = 59 fps
980 = 57 fps
R9 280X = 43 fps
780Ti = 40 fps

This looks normal to you?

wow!! What a freaking Powerhorse Nano!! Nano's Price is almost same 980's Price.

 

[el etro]

In 2013 AMD bought almost all games to get to Gaming Evolved program, built a ton of bundles with that games. Nvidia silently push up the driver team work to make Kepler cards boost big the performance on GE games. AMD succeeded, but Nvidia won the performance war that year.

In 2016 is almost looking the opposite situation.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I dont complain about the drivers of AMD because of performance, its because of glitches and crashes. That being said, looks like there is quite a bit of optimization needs to be done with the current run of nvidia drivers.

 

[Krteq]

Crashes? They are more stable like nVidia ones these days.

 

[Headfoot]

I've got nvidia and amd cards running in various machines around my house (8800 gt, GT 430, GTX 760, 3x 290, 7950B), and the drivers almost never crash on any of them these days. It's buggy games that are crashing or strange behavior out of the drivers, but crashing is likely the thing they test the hardest to prevent. My experience with a lot of cards on a lot of machines (I build a friend a computer roughly every quarter and have done so since 2011) is that the drivers vary in features but are very close in stability, both being very good.

If your drivers are crashing there is something going on there. That is not normal behavior at all

 

[tential]

In 2013 AMD bought almost all games to get to Gaming Evolved program, built a ton of bundles with that games. Nvidia silently push up the driver team work to make Kepler cards boost big the performance on GE games. AMD succeeded, but Nvidia won the performance war that year.

In 2016 is almost looking the opposite situation.

I agree with the earlier statement, but I think it's way too early to tell for AMD on the performance side. AMD's biggest problem is launch drivers too.