[Gamegpu] BF4 China Rising CPU scaling

[AtenRa]

Even without Mantle the FX line is doing fine. FX8320 @ 4.2GHz is the best bang for the back CPU for BF4 MultiPlayer today.

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-4-china-rising-test-gpu.html

 

[Malik2981]

Even without Mantle the FX line is doing fine. FX8320 @ 4.2GHz is the best bang for the back CPU for BF4 MultiPlayer today.

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/battlefield-4-china-rising-test-gpu.html

Wow amazing performance from the FX line

 

[bgt]

The FX8350 is doing fine indeed(in multithreaded games). The differences with the 4770K are neglectable. The games I played showed no differences between my 3770K and the 8350. Its all a bit academic/number crazyness.

 

[sm625]

Where is the 4GHz i5-760 and the 4.5GHz 4670K?

 

[Khato]

Even without Mantle the FX line is doing fine. FX8320 @ 4.2GHz is the best bang for the back CPU for BF4 MultiPlayer today.

Indeed. Thanks to having finally coerced a developer into making what appears to be a nicely multi-threaded game engine AMD is capable of delivering both good performance and better price/performance. Sure there are a bunch of caveats to that, but it's at least a decent start.

 

[moonbogg]

Look at difference between 2500k and 2600k. Also, good times for 6 core sandy owners. Get that 3970x to 4.3+ and BAM ownage all day.

 

[Maximilian]

Wow bulldozer really was a pile of crap... Look at that, the 6300 slightly beats the old 8150! Even with a slight clockspeed disadvantage.

Piledrivers showing respectable performance though :thumbsup:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

were these tests done on fully populated servers?

 

[ChronoReverse]

I'd think they'd have to be otherwise BF4 becomes more GPU-limited.


I'm on a i7-4770k so it looks like I'm more than fine for BF4. What a difference from my old Q9450 (probably equal to the FX-4100 on that chart) though!

 

[frozentundra123456]

This is pretty much like data we have seen before, and as I said then, I don't see it as any great victory for amd. Looking at stock, 8350 is tied with i5 in a game that is amd's centerpiece, while i7 at stock beats 93xx and ties 95xx. Best you can say is that stock vs stock, 8350 gives similar performance at a slightly lower price for a game highly optimized for multi core.

As best I can tell, those 9 series must be overclocked to 4.7 and 5.0 ghz as well, not really stock. All other processors are listed at base clock, not turbo, so I assume the 9xxx are overclocked to their turbo frequencies.

 

[Headfoot]

The bump you get with hyperthreading is huge here

 

[Essence_of_War]

Interesting. The HT performance is very different from what other reviewers have seen (namely that HT actually creates a performance hit!)

http://techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming2.php

http://techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming3.php

 

[ChronoReverse]

HT for gamegpu gains about 17% (4670k to 4770k after adjusting for the different turbos). That's in line with what you'd expect out of HT.


Techbuyersguru is the only site I've seen before wtih completely negative results in their testing for HT. Weird.

 

[Essence_of_War]

Yeah, quite curious. They see the same excellent scaling everyone else sees in games like Crysis 3:
http://www.techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming2.php

 

[AtenRa]

Wow bulldozer really was a pile of crap... Look at that, the 6300 slightly beats the old 8150! Even with a slight clockspeed disadvantage.

Piledrivers showing respectable performance though :thumbsup:

And yet Bulldozer(FX8150) is ~27% faster in Minimum fps than Phenom II X6. FX8320 @ 4.2GHz will have a constant 60fps with any GPU.

 

[AtenRa]

Interesting. The HT performance is very different from what other reviewers have seen (namely that HT actually creates a performance hit!)

http://techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming2.php

http://techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming3.php

The game have been patched several times since then and the new China Rising includes 4 more open maps. Also what you quoted is on Win 7, HT performance in Win 8 with the new patches is way higher.

 

[ChronoReverse]

The game have been patched several times since then and the new China Rising includes 4 more open maps. Also what you quoted is on Win 7, HT performance in Win 8 with the new patches is way higher.

They actually retested on Windows 8 and got similar results. I can't fathom why they get different results from everyone else.

 

[AtenRa]

I don't see it as any great victory for amd.

Let me help you a little then,

FX6300 at 4GHz with a cost of only $109,99 will be as fast as Core i5 4670K that costs $224,99. There is no Intel CPU to have that performance at that price point.

In the old overclocking days, if you had a CPU that could have the same performance when OCed at half the price, everyone would jump like crazy.

 

[AtenRa]

They actually retested on Windows 8 and got similar results. I can't fathom why they get different results from everyone else.

As i have said before, the performance of the game in the first days, when most of the original reviews took place have drastically changed with the patches that have been released since then.

 

[ChronoReverse]

As i have said before, the performance of the game in the first days, when most of the original reviews took place have drastically changed with the patches that have been released since then.

The Windows 8.1 test was done two weeks ago. That's not really "the early days" anymore.

In any case, something is strange with their configuration but it's not something as trite as "didn't patch, tested in the early days"

Furthermore, Gamegpu's tested "from the early days" and China Rising show similar levels of increase from HT as then. So patches and China Rising clearly didn't change anything for Gamegpu.

Let me help you a little then,

FX6300 at 4GHz with a cost of only $109,99 will be as fast as Core i5 4670K that costs $224,99. There is no Intel CPU to have that performance at that price point.

In the old overclocking days, if you had a CPU that could have the same performance when OCed at half the price, everyone would jump like crazy.

Wait, you're comparing stock to overclocked? AMD is great value here but the Core i5 overclocks too. It's not like SB and IB which get 4.6 easy but 4.2 is still pretty easy.

 

[AtenRa]

The Windows 8.1 test was done two weeks ago. That's not really "the early days" anymore.

In any case, something is strange with their configuration but it's not something as trite as "didn't patch, tested in the early days"

Furthermore, Gamegpu's tested "from the early days" and China rising show similar levels of increase from HT.

Yes you are correct, i have rechecked the old GameGPU review and it shows better performance with HT. I have no idea why the other review shows a performance hit with HT on.

Wait, you're comparing stock to overclocked? AMD is great value here but the Core i5 overclocks too. It's not like SB and IB which get 4.6 easy but 4.2 is still pretty easy.

I am aware that 4670K can be overclocked but FX6300 cost half the money. And both of them will get you 60fps constantly. I was merely pointing out that AMD FX series has superior performance per price for that game.

 

[Sweepr]

Gotta love the ''wait for Mantle'', CPU performance wont matter anymore talk. Cant wait to see actual benchies.

 

[AtenRa]

Gotta love the ''wait for Mantle'', CPU performance wont matter anymore talk. Cant wait to see actual benchies.

I dont believe CPU performance will change that much in MultiPlayer games but we just have to see.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Gotta love the ''wait for Mantle'', CPU performance wont matter anymore talk. Cant wait to see actual benchies.

Because history has shown us when given considerably more power, be it cpu or gpu games never strive to use it all and then some right?

People are delusional if they think 50k draw calls will be all games use if newer processors can output 90k.

If anything this shows that competent CPUs don't even need Mantle with proper DX11 support in current games.


As far as the graph goes, it looks as you would expect. It takes AMD eight overclocked cores and triple the power to match an i7. Meanwhile MHz scaling is still terrible and the stock i5 even in highly threaded titles is equal to the 8350 with a 400MHz+ deficit.

BF has continued to push the mulitcore cpu forward, and the reason it is the poster child for this is because it's quite rare. Between BF4 and Crysis 3 there is basically nothing else recent that does this.

 

[NTMBK]

BF has continued to push the mulitcore cpu forward, and the reason it is the poster child for this is because it's quite rare. Between BF4 and Crysis 3 there is basically nothing else recent that does this.

EA are putting a lot of their new games onto Frostbite 3. The new Star Wars Battlefront game, the new Mirrors Edge, the new Dragon Age, the new Mass Effect, the new Need for Speed... if Battlefield 4 scales well with multicore, then all of these games will do too. And CryEngine 3 is used in plenty of other games, too.