GameCube Timeline

[BoomAM]

See here;
GameSpy Link

GameCube will certainly end this generation in second place internationally -- the virtual shutout that Xbox received in Japan settles that part of the race, and it may yet challenge Microsoft in the U.S. and European markets. If Nintendo is going to make that move, however, it better make it soon. This year's Electronic Entertainment Expo will be a pivotal moment not only for the future of GameCube, but for Nintendo's future as well.

Note the bit i highlighted in the quote.
I highlighted it cos it was either here, or Rage3D, that i had a big a$$ discussion about how successful the GC was worldwide.

 

[bcterps]

Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

 

[Lawrencetan21]

I heard they're doing alright in the Japanese market actually. Hope they don't follow Sega's saga and become a "game only" company.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Yes, tell me too. Last I checked I want a hell of a lot of Mario, Zelda and Metroid from Nintendo.

 

[Lawrencetan21]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Yes, tell me too. Last I checked I want a hell of a lot of Mario, Zelda and Metroid from Nintendo.

I though a good portion of the money they are making are from game lisencening. So that means if they're weak on third party games then...

 

[bpt8056]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Yes, tell me too. Last I checked I want a hell of a lot of Mario, Zelda and Metroid from Nintendo.

The GameCube has exceeded my expectations by far. I can honestly tell you that many of the misleading comments that I've read made me steer clear of the GameCube until I tried it out for myself at a friend's place and it blew me away. I bought one right away and never regretted it for one bit. I never touched my PS2 ever since and it officially became the dust collector in my house.

 

[bpt8056]

sorry, double post!

 

[abaez]

Customers don't want colors in their games. They want bring brawny game characters to knock the snot out of people and things. They want fast games, nevermind the story. You have to make sure that, whenever the customer finishes the game, they feel in some way superior over something or someone else (but limit yourself to the quake color palette of course.)

 

[Demon-Xanth]

The only thing that Nintendo REALLY needs to do in the household market, is to get third party developers on board. When it comes to the portable market, the latest Pokemon games sold over 1M in two weeks, in Japan alone. Only 4 games did that in the entire 2003 year, one of which was a Pokemon that was a year old. They got that market cornered. They just need to take some of the smooth moves that made the GBA great and bring it home.


...of course, all those people constantly saying Nintendo is dead and the GC is going the way of the DC don't help matters.


Whatever happens. I can say that the 2nd gen 3D consoles were definately better than the 1st gen.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: abaez
Customers don't want colors in their games. They want bring brawny game characters to knock the snot out of people and things. They want fast games, nevermind the story. You have to make sure that, whenever the customer finishes the game, they feel in some way superior over something or someone else (but limit yourself to the quake color palette of course.)

i think your wrong,

i have a CG and a PS2

i play the GC more right now, the only reason i play my buddys xbox is because of halo, there isnt any other game on that system that is exclusive or cross system that will make me buy it, i will get it for PS2 if i want it, i couldent care less if i have a 5% quality loss, the PS2 looks fine, and the games dont suck

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: Lawrencetan21
I though a good portion of the money they are making are from game lisencening. So that means if they're weak on third party games then...

Nope.
Most of the money comes from the GB`s & the GC sales. The GC is sold at £90 in the UK, yet costs only £40 to make(remember reading that in a mag once).

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: abaez
Customers don't want colors in their games. They want bring brawny game characters to knock the snot out of people and things. They want fast games, nevermind the story. You have to make sure that, whenever the customer finishes the game, they feel in some way superior over something or someone else (but limit yourself to the quake color palette of course.)

i think your wrong,

Theres no think about it. He is wrong.
You(abaez) might want games with no depth, fast paced gameplay and no story, but there are far more people who want decent games.
For example;
Zelda. By its looks alone, its a kiddy game. Play it and you`ll soon realise that it has more depth than 90% of the games outthere, with a better story as well. Another example. X2. Slow paced gameplay, deep plot. wealth of things to do, yet is more popular than most of the "no brain required" games that you seem to fondly enjoy.
So it just goes to show, that a game doesnt have to be mindless to play for it to sell. Thats why almost all of the great games that has ever come out, has more depth than the average game of their time. If all games were like you describe, then we wouldnt be awating HL2 and similar games.

 

[Ikonomi]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Online play.

I've been an absolute Nintendo fanboy for most of my life -- since we got an NES in 1986. I love the company and it's my greatest goal to work for or with them one day. I love my GameCube very, very, very much. The one thing it's missing, though, is the ability to play online like the PS2 and Xbox can.

Sorry, it took me like thirty minutes to post this because I got distracted.

 

[Daxxax]

Nintendo still owns the handheld market.....

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: Ikonomi

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Online play.

Not everyone wants Online play. Im perfectly happy playing my GC without online play.

I've been an absolute Nintendo fanboy for most of my life -- since we got an NES in 1986. I love the company and it's my greatest goal to work for or with them one day.

A little known fact is that the SNES was the first Online console. But it was a Japan only feature, that allowed players to DL extra levels and such. So as far as Online plans are involved. Nintendo knows what its doing.

The one thing it's missing, though, is the ability to play online like the PS2 and Xbox can.

It can though.
Link

 

[bcterps]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Yes, tell me too. Last I checked I want a hell of a lot of Mario, Zelda and Metroid from Nintendo.

I love Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. however things like GBA/GC connectivity, lack of online play, lack of 3rd party support drive me nuts.

GBA/GC connectivity is neat, but only as an added function (like in Zelda), not as a requirement for playing a game. I hope that Final Fantasy:Crystal Chronicles totally bombs so that Nintendo might finally realize that people don't want to use 4 GBAs just to play a multiplayer game.

The recent comments by Nintendo advisor Hirsohi Yamauchi (former company president) sum up how out of touch Nintendo is.

I have been saying this for some time, but customers are not interested in grand games with higher-quality graphics and sound and epic stories," he said. "Cutting-edge technologies and multiple functions do not necessarily lead to more fun. The excessively hardware-oriented way of thinking is totally wrong, but manufacturers are just throwing money at developing higher-performance hardware.

Of course customers are interested in high quality graphics and sound and epic stories! What the hell is he talking about? People are buying HDTVs like crazy because they want high quality images, they expect nothing less from their video games. They want cutting edge technologies and are willing to pay for it. If Nintendo doesn't figure this out before the next gen console wars start, they are going to go the way of Sega, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

 

[Ikonomi]

Okay, let me clarify.

Yes, the BSX (Bandai Satellaview X) for the SNES was the first online game console. Pretty great stuff. My friend has one, and we're trying to figure out how to hack it to accept BSX ROMs from a computer.

As for the online thing, it's no secret that a whole lot of people enjoy the Xbox live service, and whatever the equivalent Sony thing is. And Nintendo has the perfect property to start a really phenomenal worldwide network -- Pokemon. Just imagine battling your way to the top of the Pokemon League world ladder. Good stuff.

I should clarify that, while the GC has broadband and modem adapters, there's currently no endorsed structure for finding gaming partners or anything like that online. The best online game for the GC is Sega's Phantasy Star Online, and that was already done on the Dreamcast.

What the GC needs is a Nintendo-supported network for online gaming, and a flood of software for people to play online. Warp Pipe is good and all, but it's an amateur venture and doesn't have the ability to host a world of Nintendo players, or the popular mindshare to compete with MS's and Sony's "cool" online image. Really, playing people online while talking to them on headsets is cool.

The GC-GBA connectivity that Nintendo is pushing just isn't cutting it for most of the teenage to 35 male demographic that makes up the majority of video game consumers.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: Ikonomi

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: benchiu
Nintendo is so screwed in the US market. They just havent gotten it through their thick skulls that they cant dictate how the video game market should be, that they have to listen to their customers if they want to succeed. Their arrogant attitudes towards the video game industry have really pissed me off. I own a Gamecube too, I like it a lot, but I think that when the next gen consoles come out, Nintendo is going to get demolished pretty badly.

and what is is the customers want?

Online play.

Not everyone wants Online play. Im perfectly happy playing my GC without online play.

I've been an absolute Nintendo fanboy for most of my life -- since we got an NES in 1986. I love the company and it's my greatest goal to work for or with them one day.

A little known fact is that the SNES was the first Online console. But it was a Japan only feature, that allowed players to DL extra levels and such. So as far as Online plans are involved. Nintendo knows what its doing.

The one thing it's missing, though, is the ability to play online like the PS2 and Xbox can.

It can though.
Link

The SNES was not the first online console. The Commodore 64 had a modem and games that supported it, however it was expensive.

I like online play. It adds another feature to the game and massively extends the replayability of whatever game has it.

Yes, the Gamecube has a modem available. And like 2 or 3 games that support it. (Hell, the only one I can think of is Phantasy Star Online) No one cares because most developers do not want to take on the overhead of paying for servers and technical support to go along with online play. That coupled with the already pathetic support by 3rd parties for Gamecube really kills any prescense it has in the US. Its got its niche games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ect...) but thats the only thing keeping it alive when dev's keep dropping support for it.

The GC is a kickass system, but Nintendo is going to get trampeled in every market because of their "traditional" ways.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: benchiu
The recent comments by Nintendo advisor Hirsohi Yamauchi (former company president) sum up how out of touch Nintendo is.

No, they only sum up how out of touch Yamauchi is with the gaming industry. Which is exactly the reason why he is no longer in charge.

 

[bcterps]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: benchiu The recent comments by Nintendo advisor Hirsohi Yamauchi (former company president) sum up how out of touch Nintendo is.

No, they only sum up how out of touch Yamauchi is with the gaming industry. Which is exactly the reason why he is no longer in charge.

Actually, current Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has said much the same thing. This feeling is pervasive through Nintendo as a whole. Here's Iwata's latest comments (taken from an IGN article).


Quizzed by the paper on Nintendo's next-generation console, Iwata replied: "I do not believe releasing a higher performance machine is the solution. Our hardware development team is thinking about the next move, but I cannot tell you about it."

 

[Ikonomi]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: benchiu
The recent comments by Nintendo advisor Hirsohi Yamauchi (former company president) sum up how out of touch Nintendo is.

No, they only sum up how out of touch Yamauchi is with the gaming industry. Which is exactly the reason why he is no longer in charge.

Everything Hiroshi Yamauchi said only goes to prove that he's a scary, curmudgeonly old pimp. Remember when he said that all the people who played Final Fantasy on the PlayStation were losers who sat in dark rooms with their consoles?

 

[purbeast0]

xbox > ps2 > gamecube ...

 

[Ikonomi]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
gamecube > ps2 > xbox ...

There, I corrected that for you.

(But thanks for supporting my assertions about console gamers in general!)

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Ikonomi

Originally posted by: purbeast0
gamecube > ps2 > xbox ...

There, I corrected that for you.

(But thanks for supporting my assertions about console gamers in general!)

The way I had it is just my opinion, and I'll stick to that. I have had 2 gamecubes. I bought one when they first came out. Disapointed me so I sold it. I then bought another one when mario sunshine came out hopin for it to own ... again , disapointed me. I then purchased metroid, RE1, zelda, fzero gx, mario golf, eternal darkness, monkey ball. The only game I was not disapointed with was Zelda and Metroid. So after finishin those, I got rid of the POS for a 2nd time. I dont plan on gettin another one any time soon ...

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: benchiu

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: benchiu The recent comments by Nintendo advisor Hirsohi Yamauchi (former company president) sum up how out of touch Nintendo is.

No, they only sum up how out of touch Yamauchi is with the gaming industry. Which is exactly the reason why he is no longer in charge.

Actually, current Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has said much the same thing. This feeling is pervasive through Nintendo as a whole. Here's Iwata's latest comments (taken from an IGN article).


Quizzed by the paper on Nintendo's next-generation console, Iwata replied: "I do not believe releasing a higher performance machine is the solution. Our hardware development team is thinking about the next move, but I cannot tell you about it."

What is IGN's source and who did the translation of Iwata's original response? What is the context of his answer? "Higher performance machine" is the solution to what? Winning this generation or next?

An out of context comment from a translated interview is proof of nothing.