Game exec : 'PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come' ...

[Grooveriding]

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...s4-will-out-power-most-pcs-for-years-to-come/

The exec said the platform was perfect for the open-world action games Avalanche specialises in. "We are confident that we'll bring open-world gaming to a whole new level because of it," he said. "I'm glad Sony decided to go with 8gb RAM because it means that the PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come."

PS4 Specs (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6770/sony-announces-playstation-4-pc-hardware-inside) :

- 8-core x86-64 CPU using AMD Jaguar cores (built by AMD)
- High-end PC GPU (also built by AMD), delivering 1.84TFLOPS of performance
- Unified 8GB of GDDR5 memory for use by both the CPU and GPU with 176GB/s of memory bandwidth
- Large local hard drive


lol. Want some of what this guy is smoking.

 

[PowerYoga]

He's not wrong. Most pcs are old mom and pop things that have celerons and maybe low grade duo cores. Even older gaming PCs will probably be outpowered (1st gen quads).

 

[IAteYourMother]

He's not wrong. Most pcs are old mom and pop things that have celerons and maybe low grade duo cores. Even older gaming PCs will probably be outpowered (1st gen quads).

Also on a uniform platform, you can really optimize and get the most out of your system.

 

[Grooveriding]

An i5 3570K/2500K & 7850/660 will blow the PS4 out of the water. Both are reasonably priced gaming PC setups.

The last console releases were close to on parity with where the best PCs were at for the time. This time out the consoles are far, far behind where PCs are at, not even matching mid-range powered gaming PCs. To put it in context, the PS4 wouldn't be able to power BF3 ultra settings natively @ 1080P, unless their plan would be to give gamers a 20fps experience.

 

[darkewaffle]

"most PCs" != "best PCs"

Most normal people are more or less terrified of their computer and wouldn't even think about building one when they could just buy a shiny looking little box that plugs into their TV instead. And if you buy pre-built you're throwing a lot of that 'value proposition' right out the window.

 

[PowerYoga]

An i5 3570K/2500K & 7850/660 will blow the PS4 out of the water. Both are reasonably priced gaming PC setups.

The last console releases were close to on parity with where the best PCs were at for the time. This time out the consoles are far, far behind where PCs are at, not even matching mid-range powered gaming PCs. To put it in context, the PS4 wouldn't be able to power BF3 ultra settings natively @ 1080P, unless their plan would be to give gamers a 20fps experience.

yeah, an i5 3570 is not a "most pc".

This is a "most pc".

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-660s/pd?ref=2132title

 

[Red Storm]

Last I checked it wasn't the hardware that drew me to PC gaming, but the actual games. I don't see what the PS4 or Nextbox are going to do about that.

 

[SunnyD]

Does he mean it will require a more powerful PSU or something, cause otherwise

 

[frozentundra123456]

Last I checked it wasn't the hardware that drew me to PC gaming, but the actual games. I don't see what the PS4 or Nextbox are going to do about that.

Unfortunately unless you are into MMOs, which I am not, there is not that much left that is PC specific. The cross platform games may have better graphics, but the gameplay on the computer is much the same for most games. I still do prefer mouse and keyboard though.

I know there are exceptions like Starcraft and some less popular RPG, but that is about it.

 

[Zenoth]

Meh, as long as it ended up being better than the current generation I'm happy enough with that, seven years is more than enough for a generation of consoles.

Especially because as the decades are passing the technology increases faster. I mean the third (8-bit), fourth (16-Bit) and fifth (32/64-Bit) console generations lasted very long as well (12, 11, and 13 years, respectively) but back then the technology (for games and hardware) did not evolve as fast nor as significantly as it's been doing since the early 2000's. So "just" seven years (when compared to previous generations' life spans) put within the context of faster technological improvements of the mid 2000's showed us all what it can do to milk hardware's capabilities for as long as you can. When "in reality" things are changing so fast that "another decade-old generation" by nowadays standards is difficult to let happen or to justify.

Indeed I think that if they (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo) really did want it to they could have let the current generation age even more for the next two or three years, business-wise that is, because really I think that they've simply realized that technology was catching up on their consoles too fast (or probably rather "much faster than expected" as the years passed).

But, anyway, regardless of life spans or current PC hardware capabilities in comparison to consoles it doesn't matter that much, because - ultimately - most so called "PC games" (I.E. exclusives to the PC platform) will be console ports, which in itself is more than a "trend", but a business model. It doesn't matter that much if 70%+ of the PC games library comes from what developers happen to work on for the consoles. Now of course we'll always keep seeing our "beloved PC exclusives" taking "full advantages" of the PC platform and hardware but such games rarely do the platform "justice" anyway, nor do they always remain exclusive for long (look at Half-Life 2, which ended up on the XBOX, and see where the Crysis franchise ended up on, do I have to mention others?).

Well anyway point being, ultimately, that as long as it's significantly better than the previous consoles, rather than being "as good as" or "better than" PCs, then I'm happy. Since that's the only comparison that's actually worth looking into (I.E. comparing the consoles of the next generation to the current ones, if anything, rather than comparing them to PCs).

 

[Anteaus]

"I'm glad Sony decided to go with 8gb RAM because it means that the PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come."

I don't understand this statement. What does one have to do with the other? Based purely on his reasoning, my current PC which has 16GB RAM already "out powers" the PS4 which isn't even released yet. They shouldn't brag about something they should have had in the first place. 512MB ram was a joke even when the PS3 was released.

As a side bar, it's not like the PS4 is doing anything special. Both the PS3 and PS4 operated at 1080P, except that the PS4 will actually have hardware that can do it properly instead of the RAM/GPU limited setup the PS3 had. Also, next year when console gamers finally have a system that can actually apply some anti-aliasing and and they get all hot and bothered over their graphics, PC gamers will have already been operating at 2560X1600 and above for years now. Sure not everyone uses those resolutions, but it's not because they don't have the option.

No, console gamers are basically going to get the exact same thing they have now, except it will a be able to do it right. It's sidegrade, not an upgrade. They get 1080P, except now they actually have enough GPU to do AA/AF. They get 8GB ram, so now developers can actually design levels without texture raping or cheating with abusing MIP mapping and motion blur. They get harddrives large enough to not mandate upgrades. They get X86 processors, because they finally realized that developers neither want nor need overpriced processors that unnecessarily complicate development yet net no overall benefits in performance. Its current gen+, not next gen.

I think Sony and MS should just STFU about their new consoles and just release them quietly and let gamers get on with it.

"The exec said the platform was perfect for the open-world action games Avalanche specialises in. "We are confident that we'll bring open-world gaming to a whole new level because of it," he said."

Open world gaming indeed. He's just excited because for the first time they can actually load a whole level into RAM without crippling performance.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

They'll probably have phones that match the ps4 within it's lifespan.

 

[Red Storm]

Unfortunately unless you are into MMOs, which I am not, there is not that much left that is PC specific. The cross platform games may have better graphics, but the gameplay on the computer is much the same for most games. I still do prefer mouse and keyboard though.

I know there are exceptions like Starcraft and some less popular RPG, but that is about it.

RPG: Dragon Age, The Witcher, Elder Scrolls, Project Eternity, the new Torment, etc.

RTS: Company of Heroes, Starcraft, Planetary Annihilation, Sins of a Solar Empire, etc.

FPS: Planetside, Team Fortress, Battlefield, etc.

Other games coming out like Star Citizen. These are all either exclusive to PC or hands down better on PC.

 

[Olikan]

well, if we use steam survey.... ps4 will be, indeed, more powerfull than, like 70-80% of the users there

 

[gothamhunter]

Unfortunately unless you are into MMOs, which I am not, there is not that much left that is PC specific. The cross platform games may have better graphics, but the gameplay on the computer is much the same for most games. I still do prefer mouse and keyboard though.

I know there are exceptions like Starcraft and some less popular RPG, but that is about it.

Quoted for the lol's.

 

[Bateluer]

well, if we use steam survey.... ps4 will be, indeed, more powerfull than, like 70-80% of the users there

I'm not sure sure about that. We're talking about gaming PCs, not 'most' PCs.

 

[shortylickens]

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...s4-will-out-power-most-pcs-for-years-to-come/




PS4 Specs (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6770/sony-announces-playstation-4-pc-hardware-inside) :

- 8-core x86-64 CPU using AMD Jaguar cores (built by AMD)
- High-end PC GPU (also built by AMD), delivering 1.84TFLOPS of performance
- Unified 8GB of GDDR5 memory for use by both the CPU and GPU with 176GB/s of memory bandwidth
- Large local hard drive


lol. Want some of what this guy is smoking.

Technically thats true. Because most PC's around the world are several generations behind top of the line.

 

[JamesV]

Nothing good or exclusive on PC? Please. Hell has been freezing over, because free to play games are actually getting good - Path of Exile, Planetside 2, Tribes, etc.

If the trend of free to play continues, I see it as the consoles death notice. The vast majority of console players are younger people whose parents bought the console and the games. If/when they realize those same games are often 50%-90% off on the PC, or free to play... I see more parents buying PCs for their kids instead of consoles.

As for the PS4 specs; they are decent for a midrange build today, and may have a benefit from the unified architecture, but in five years we will probably have phones with as much muscle.

Now if the PS4 was a phone; like Samsungs newest with a controller (see Daily Tech article)...that would be something to talk about.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Wasn't the PS3 touted as being so powerful, but they barely tapped it's capabilities? Besides they only had to match the 360.

 

[Olikan]

I'm not sure sure about that. We're talking about gaming PCs, not 'most' PCs.

yes...because peope that uses the very popular cards like... gtx560ti, gtx550ti, gtx460 and hd57770.....are not gamers

well, see for your self, cards faster than a 7850 is actually rare at steam
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

[thm1223]

Nothing good or exclusive on PC? Please. Hell has been freezing over, because free to play games are actually getting good - Path of Exile, Planetside 2, Tribes, etc.

If the trend of free to play continues, I see it as the consoles death notice. The vast majority of console players are younger people whose parents bought the console and the games. If/when they realize those same games are often 50%-90% off on the PC, or free to play... I see more parents buying PCs for their kids instead of consoles.

As for the PS4 specs; they are decent for a midrange build today, and may have a benefit from the unified architecture, but in five years we will probably have phones with as much muscle.

Now if the PS4 was a phone; like Samsungs newest with a controller (see Daily Tech article)...that would be something to talk about.

I'm not so sure I agree that F2P will be the death of consoles, if it ever becomes a mainstream idea. Its not like consoles can't follow that business model...

 

[DaveSimmons]

PS3 has F2P games already including DC Universe Online. With the move to x86 for both the 720 and PS4, it will be easier to port F2P MMOs to them, so I expect more not less.

But "the PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come" is a true but silly statement. Midrange PCs beat it now and will pull farther ahead every year while the PS4 stays frozen.

If I get a PS4 it will be for unique titles like Valkyria Chronicles, not to replace my gaming PC.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

They'll probably have phones that match the ps4 within it's lifespan.

LMAO. I remember working on a PC when I had my original Droid and thinking "Holy shit, my phone has a faster processor than this POS"

 

[PrincessFrosty]

1.84Tflops, and the fastest single card we have today is 4.5Tflops, the fastest PC system a 4 way SLI of Titans is 18Tflops.

So actually when it's released in 2014 or whenever, it will only be 10x slower than the fastest PC we can build now, and almost certainly we'll have faster/cheaper video cards by the PS4s release date. Pretty lame for "next gen" if you ask me.

If you're looking at a budget PC build then an equivalent amount of TFlop processing power would be something like the Geforce 660, just looking through speeds of modern Nvidia GPUs on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

They ship for about £180 from overclockers.co.uk, I'm pretty sure that amount of power by the PS4s launch will be closer to something like £100 or less.

So for the cost of x2 PS4 games you can buy a GPU for your PC that is just as fast

 

[dagamer34]

Don't forget that most younger people who would want to play games are far more likely to buy laptops as their primary computer, especially as they go off to college. No way your average person buys a laptop that is more powerful than the PS4, and then there's no way to upgrade it.