Game cheating ie. aimbots, esp etc

[NoStateofMind]

Game: Day of defeat source

Infraction: ESP, no walls

the game is so old I think people just don't care if they cheat. I've been tempted to get into cheating but everytime I think about it my conscience gets me to not do it. Well there is also pride in knowing I'm good enough not to cheat as well. It just seems to defeat the purpose of playing a game to cheat to win. How can that be fun? Meh just wanted to rant a bit.

 

[Powermoloch]

cheating is bad mkay

except for single player :awe:

 

[blastingcap]

I stopped playing DOD:S in part because of an aimbotting jerko (I recorded his POV and he was clearly using an aimbot... auto-headshotted everything near him). In fact, I don't even play multiplayer games anymore because of rampant cheating. It's just not fun.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont have a problem with cheaters so much as tweens or grown up losers who spend 16 hours a day practicing. I cant beat that. I have a life. A meager one, I'll admit. But its still a life. School, tons of homework or at least studying. Little clubs like the VFW with their stupid events. Doctors appointments (I keep getting stones) and errands for my mother.

I could theoretically put in 8 hours on a school day and 12 on an off day, but then I'd never get anything else done. And tuition is too high to be fucking around, failing classes.

 

[Dumac]

Competitive play leads to cheating by the people who would do anything to win...

That is why I like games with either a) complete lock down on cheating or b) a less competitive feel

 

[thespyder]

I don't understand the point of cheating in multi-player. It isn't like they are actually winning anything because it isn't their abilities that are getting them ahead. And there isn't any material gain involved. So it is 100% ego boost, only even that is a falsehood.

It's like bullies that are only bullies when it is six against one. If you can't win either learn to play to win or don't worry about winning.

Just my opinion.

 

[cl-scott]

I'd be fine with cheating if everyone agreed to allow it... And we'll skip the philosophical discussion of whether or not that's cheating. If someone wanted to set up a server with the very explicit intention of allowing people to use whatever cheat methods they want, then people who played on that server would know what they're getting into.

But I'm largely with shorty.... To even be bothered by the cheaters, you first have to get past the whiners and people who basically have no life except playing that game. While on the one hand I can at least respect the dedication the no-lifers have, I kind of question the wisdom of devoting it to a specific video game.

 

[CPA]

It's one of the reasons I only play TF2 for any multiplayer. Very few cheaters. I think I've only run into one in the last 3 years.

 

[blastingcap]

It's one of the reasons I only play TF2 for any multiplayer. Very few cheaters. I think I've only run into one in the last 3 years.

You've only run into one that you have identified as one, you mean. TF2 has its fair share, even if some cheaters are less obvious than others. (Aimbot hacks, wallhacks, hitbox and info hacks, speed hacks, you name it)

 

[Kalmah]

You've only run into one that you have identified as one, you mean. TF2 has its fair share, even some cheaters are less obvious than others.

Yeah, I feel that the obvious cheats mostly don't even appear in TF2(they use to back when the game was new).. but you do get those occasional subtle cheats that are hard to prove. You know something funny is going on but are too involved with the game to be able to prove it and make an accusation.

And there really are those people who are just too damn good for the game. They sometimes make me wonder if they have one of those 'subtle' cheats running somehow. It could be something as simple as swapped textures to make enemies easier to spot or something. I'm quite sure that most of them really are that good though.

 

[Siberian]

You've only run into one that you have identified as one, you mean. TF2 has its fair share, even if some cheaters are less obvious than others. (Aimbot hacks, wallhacks, hitbox and info hacks, speed hacks, you name it)

I think it's worse now that it's F2P.

 

[irishScott]

I think it's worse now that it's F2P.

Speaking with respect to F2P in general, would make sense that it would encourage cheating. People download it for free but are quickly stymied by the limitations. So instead of paying for the stuff to give them advantages, they cheat. Cheating will become the new piracy for FTP. Wonder if EA's given any thought to that given their rhetoric about micro-transactions and how rampant cheating is in BF3.

 

[blastingcap]

Assuming Valve even catches cheaters in the first place, cheaters can make new Steam accounts and keep going in F2P games. But whatever, I left shortly before TF2 went F2P; it had gotten diluted with all the kiddies going bonkers over hats and mackerel by that point and wasn't fun anymore. I have mixed feeling about F2P, but one negative is that it seems to open the door to a lot more immature players. Maybe each F2P game should have a kids division and an adults division.

 

[irishScott]

Assuming Valve even catches cheaters in the first place, cheaters can make new Steam accounts and keep going in F2P games. But whatever, I left shortly before TF2 went F2P; it had gotten diluted with all the kiddies going bonkers over hats and mackerel by that point and wasn't fun anymore. I have mixed feeling about F2P, but one negative is that it seems to open the door to a lot more immature players. Maybe each F2P game should have a kids division and an adults division.

Well it basically turns every game into a variation of Runsescape, and we all know who plays Runescape.

 

[gorobei]

tf2 as a whole is less attractive to hack users as there are fewer classes that can benefit from having aimbot, auto track, or even xray to a certain extent.

there just arent enough insta-gib weapons that guarantee a kill with aimboting, given the bullet spread on minigun or the shotguns. bot snipers are too obvious and the slow speed of soldier rockets make long range killing impossible even if you have perfect aim or prediction.
most of the weapons are designed with a low enough damage rate so the target has a enough time to retreat if they havent over-committed.
anyone obviously cheating can usually be votekicked or banned, or at the very least reported to valve.

not to say it doesnt happen every couple of months i see someone testing out a new hack or script. the latest one i've come across was a auto reflect hack with airblast flamethrower pyro. one puff reflects always on target regardless of relative motions of me and him, no flinch puff, no misjudge of a ground shot that was meant to miss. more often it is a speed or crit hack.

usually you can get an idea of who is testing a new hack if you look at their profile page and inventory their backpack. they know they will likely be caught by vac or user reporting, so they never have and hats or miscs or rare weapons since they will lose them when the acct is banned by valve. its usually a new acct with only a few non default weapons with high velocity projectiles so the aim assist isnt wasted.

 

[AmdEmAll]

Most people have no idea how out of control cheating is now. The cheats now you pay for and are usually unique for each payer. That way its much harder to get banned.

Battlefield 3 is full of them and its really frustrating especially when the admins won't do anything about it half the time. They just claim they are good players and they have no proof. 80/8 is legit? lies

 

[blastingcap]

Then vote with your wallet. I did. I pretty much only play single-player games now.

 

[CPA]

You've only run into one that you have identified as one, you mean. TF2 has its fair share, even if some cheaters are less obvious than others. (Aimbot hacks, wallhacks, hitbox and info hacks, speed hacks, you name it)

Even being the case, if I can't tell that someone is cheating (ie, his stats aren't any better, my stats aren't any worse, doesn't seem invincible, etc), then it doesn't ruin the experience. The one person I knew was cheating was playing soldier and getting one hit kills on everyone and was taking no damage. I was a pyro, would hit him with my flame. When he killed me, his closeup showed full health.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_VtIkF8pDY

 

[Regs]

God, I've been called a hack and cheat 1000x over and so did most of my online friends. I can only imagine what it was like for people to play on servers where they banned everyone on sight. Crying wolf is why Infinity Ward went with VAC and match maker. It's only a matter of time Battlefield does the same. Vac works, it's just a matter of when. Even if the cheaters hack is "unique", if enough people report it, they will pick up on it and add it to Vac.

Everybody else is just cries that they keep getting owned. I can count 1000 times that I get lucky in MW3. The people I kill only see the times I guess right looking around a corner to shoot them, but don't see the millions of other times I guess wrong. it's all just stupid now.

 

[rstrohkirch]

If you play on servers that have active admins and a decent community you tend to get very few cheaters. When the obvious ones do show up they are taken care of rather quickly.

The obvious cheaters are the individuals that really effect other people's enjoyment of the game. Someone who is doing very well, even if they are subtly cheating doesn't distract from others enjoyment. I also find that the better you get at a game the easier it is for you to discern skill from a cheat. I generally only play on 1 TF2. It has regulars, active admins and most of the players have above average skill set. It makes the game much more enjoyable and makes you a better player as well.

 

[pontifex]

I blame achievements, unlocks - they ruin mp games. people will cheat or do whatever they can do get those unlocks and achievements.

 

[blastingcap]

I blame achievements, unlocks - they ruin mp games. people will cheat or do whatever they can do get those unlocks and achievements.

Not really. Back when I played TF2 I remember a lot of special servers built specifically so people could get unlocks easily. I don't really care about that.

As for the "it doesn't ruin the experience" argument, well I suppose if both teams have cheaters and they aren't obnoxious it would not "ruin" the experience, but ideally neither team would have any.

As for the "people who suck cry wolf" argument, I've been kicked off servers before for being too good/lucky with a railgun, and other situations like that before. Yes it does suck to be called a cheater when you aren't cheating. But I don't like the subtle implication that only sucky people accuse others of cheating because the sucky people are just butthurt or something. Not true. I can tell you I'm frustrated with cheaters not because I'm butthurt due to my suckiness (I routinely placed in the top 10 on HLStatX for TF2, etc. and while HLStatX has a ton of problems associated with it, I think it's safe to say I didn't suck), but because it's just not fun for me anymore when I know someone's likely hacking.

Ultimately it boils down to this: are you having fun? If not, don't play. And vote with your wallet. Same as boycotting Ubisoft while they had their always-on DRM thing.. if it annoys you enough, vote with your wallet. Is Company X not cracking down on cheaters enough? Boycott Company X, then. Vote with your wallet. Money is the only language that most game publishers speak.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The hackers that are blatantly cheating are just doing it for the LuLz. The ones who seem to just dominate are just 9/10 times better than you can even imagine being and are just good at the game.

Most people that aren't openly destroying people with an aimbot are using something more discreet like a wallhack and using it for an edge in competition.

If you're a mediocre gamer that thinks everyone cheats just look up some LAN competition footage and see what's actually possible for a clean player to accomplish. Once you get an idea for what's possible you'll more than likely have a breakthrough in your own ability at a game. I know watching great players pull of snap shots and seeming to know instantly where everyone was in a LAN setting was like an epiphany for me. Now I'm the guy getting accused of cheating constantly even though the closest I have ever come to cheating is have someone on ventrilo announce enemy locations to me in a public server.

Play me in CoD of BF3 and prepare to DIE.