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Game 5: Lakers vs. Suns

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Aw crap, why'd they have to suspend Bell? I wanted to see LA's fan reaction, and now the whining will be deafening.

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
After all, they have those commercials of Raja reading to the kids, he obviously wants to maintain a good public image so it's hard to believe. From what I remember when Raja was in Philly, he was never a dirty player either.
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LOL. Players reading to kids doesn't mean they are saints. I remember laughing at one of those commericals that featured the portland jailblazers, especially Darius Miles and Zach Randolph. Even Jayson Williams (who was charged of killing his butler) was on one of those way back then.

I've always thought Raja Bell was a good defender starting from his 76er days. But after seeing him flop and pulling his other stunts, I'm starting to have second thoughts.

I am a huge fan of Steve Nash and felt his MVP was justified. He was very classy after game 4 after that heartbreaking loss. But what happened to him after game 5? I never thought of him as a whiner.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Why should mr testicle have anything to do with a PREMEDITATED clothesline with the left arm WRAPPING your arm around the guys neck and face and then using your right hand to shove that player to the ground???
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So reaching up someone's shorts and yanking on their balls isn't premeditated now? ROFL. Both had the potential to hurt someone and both should be suspended, end of story. Personally, I find it funny that you choose to side with morons that run the NBA over every sportswriter in the nation/people with logic.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: dahunan
Why should mr testicle have anything to do with a PREMEDITATED clothesline with the left arm WRAPPING your arm around the guys neck and face and then using your right hand to shove that player to the ground???
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So reaching up someone's shorts and yanking on their balls isn't premeditated now? ROFL. Both had the potential to hurt someone and both should be suspended, end of story. Personally, I find it funny that you choose to side with morons that run the NBA over every sportswriter in the nation/people with logic.
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lol sportswriters and logic do not go in the same sentence.
 
Well now after the Raja interview we know a little more about what happened and why he did what he did. Apparently Kobe took some cheapshots at Bell (which he described as bullying) and Bell asked the ref how he was going to let Kobe get away with that. Then Phil Jackson chimed in with "You f^^^ing deserved it." Then Bell said what did you say? Jackson allegedly repeated it again.

So that explains why Bell pointed to the LA Bench after the Bryant flagrant and said: "That one's for you." which was directed at Phil Jackson.

The refs need to take charge of the game, no coach should be interacting with any opposing player, good or bad during a game. This was clearly Jackson using psychological warfare to make a player lose his cool and it worked. The refs should be assessing technicals to any coach saying anything to an opposing player, it's unsportsmanlike and can lead to a player getting seriously injured (glad that Bryant was ok). I just lost a lot of respect for Phil, he shouldn't have to resort to sh^^ talking and let his players do his talking for him. Shame on him. I'll be surprised if there aren't more flagrants tonight now that the bad blood has been exacerbated.
 
Kobe hasn't been doing anything that other players throughout history haven't done. When you body up someone and they have the ball, they will use their off arm to elbow or push you off. It's more or less "accepted practice".

Stockton was notorious for dirty shots. Also, bell has been bullying kobe a bit too. It's just part of their little game. Suddenly bell feels like he's being molested... sorry chump, but you started it by the way you defended kobe. Artest does the same type of thing. So did dennis rodman. The sad fact is that bell tried to be like those guys, and ended up getting in his OWN head somehow. Maybe largely due to phil jackson. Don't think that phil wasn't trying to egg him on so he'd get himself in trouble either. That guy is devious.

Now that the series is over for the clippers, I don't see any point in suspending evans. It should have happened in game 5 which the clips won anyway.
 
Originally posted by: torpid
Kobe hasn't been doing anything that other players throughout history haven't done. When you body up someone and they have the ball, they will use their off arm to elbow or push you off. It's more or less "accepted practice".

Stockton was notorious for dirty shots. Also, bell has been bullying kobe a bit too. It's just part of their little game. Suddenly bell feels like he's being molested... sorry chump, but you started it by the way you defended kobe. Artest does the same type of thing. So did dennis rodman. The sad fact is that bell tried to be like those guys, and ended up getting in his OWN head somehow. Maybe largely due to phil jackson. Don't think that phil wasn't trying to egg him on so he'd get himself in trouble either. That guy is devious.

Now that the series is over for the clippers, I don't see any point in suspending evans. It should have happened in game 5 which the clips won anyway.
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What Bell or Kobe does is beside the point, both are going to get away with some stuff, who cares? The main point is that a coach should not be able to exact psychological warfare (Phil has a PhD in it) on opposing players, especially laced with epithets. That is unacceptable and the NBA needs to enforce it better or players WILL end up seriously injuring one another because of the coaches. For example, if you were elbowed in the head and knocked to the floor, and Phil Jackson implied that he ordered his player to do it (true or untrue), what are the odds that you're going to retaliate? It's classic psych warfare. Something which a normal player like Raja (maybe took a college course in psychology lol) can't understand in that he's being played like a fiddle by Phil. Being sound mentally in a game is just as important as being physically healthy.
 
He might have gotten him with the back of the shoulder. But that is not a foul if so.

(Edit: just before the start of the animation I mean)
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: torpid
Kobe hasn't been doing anything that other players throughout history haven't done. When you body up someone and they have the ball, they will use their off arm to elbow or push you off. It's more or less "accepted practice".

Stockton was notorious for dirty shots. Also, bell has been bullying kobe a bit too. It's just part of their little game. Suddenly bell feels like he's being molested... sorry chump, but you started it by the way you defended kobe. Artest does the same type of thing. So did dennis rodman. The sad fact is that bell tried to be like those guys, and ended up getting in his OWN head somehow. Maybe largely due to phil jackson. Don't think that phil wasn't trying to egg him on so he'd get himself in trouble either. That guy is devious.

Now that the series is over for the clippers, I don't see any point in suspending evans. It should have happened in game 5 which the clips won anyway.
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What Bell or Kobe does is beside the point, both are going to get away with some stuff, who cares? The main point is that a coach should not be able to exact psychological warfare (Phil has a PhD in it) on opposing players, especially laced with epithets. That is unacceptable and the NBA needs to enforce it better or players WILL end up seriously injuring one another because of the coaches. For example, if you were elbowed in the head and knocked to the floor, and Phil Jackson implied that he ordered his player to do it (true or untrue), what are the odds that you're going to retaliate? It's classic psych warfare. Something which a normal player like Raja (maybe took a college course in psychology lol) can't understand in that he's being played like a fiddle by Phil. Being sound mentally in a game is just as important as being physically healthy.
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I don't agree with this. I believe psychology has everything to do with basketball. Players talk to get into player's heads all the time. It's part of the game. So what you're saying is that coaches should not use psychological warfare on players? What about player to player? Who determines what is warfare and what is playful banter? Maybe Steve Nash and Jack Nicolson shouldn't be talking during timeouts? Player's talk trash and it's all part of the game. There is a line and players should be smart enough not to cross it.

Do you know for a fact that Phil Jackson started it? After seeing Raja react to Master Jedi Kobe and the phantom elbow, I don't think you can believe everything he says anymore.
 
Originally posted by: GrantMeThePower
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: GrantMeThePower
Did you guys see this? Bell is such a whiner and flopper: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/storage/images/rajaflop.gif
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The resolution is not high enough. It could be that kobe has a really pointy arm hair.
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Just posted a bigger one
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Nice post, thx.

Raja is weak. Playoff basketball really is a mental game and about composure, and Raja folded under pressure like a wet watermelon. He brought his personal agenda and hate for bryant into the game and made it bigger than his teams agenda. Inexcusable.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
What Bell or Kobe does is beside the point, both are going to get away with some stuff, who cares? The main point is that a coach should not be able to exact psychological warfare (Phil has a PhD in it) on opposing players, especially laced with epithets. That is unacceptable and the NBA needs to enforce it better or players WILL end up seriously injuring one another because of the coaches. For example, if you were elbowed in the head and knocked to the floor, and Phil Jackson implied that he ordered his player to do it (true or untrue), what are the odds that you're going to retaliate? It's classic psych warfare. Something which a normal player like Raja (maybe took a college course in psychology lol) can't understand in that he's being played like a fiddle by Phil. Being sound mentally in a game is just as important as being physically healthy.
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I don't see what the problem is. If it had been another player who said it, would it have been ok? Or are you saying that no one should be able to egg people on with words? I thought phil was right, in that raja had been playing kobe aggressively and "deserved it" sort of like artest deserved the elbow to the face when he reached in on ginobilli. That's the price you pay sometimes for playing aggressive defense.
 
The sad thing is I agree with bell that kobe is an arrogant jerk at times, if not always. But many great players are. It's just their thing. MJ was a pretty big jerk too, thought not so publicly. In the locker room and at practice moreso.
 
Originally posted by: torpid
The sad thing is I agree with bell that kobe is an arrogant jerk at times, if not always. But many great players are. It's just their thing. MJ was a pretty big jerk too, thought not so publicly. In the locker room and at practice moreso.
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I think most great athletes are probably arrogant or jerks. These guys grow up with everyone kissing their butts, so they get used to it.

Even Shaq (a well liked guy) is an arrogant guy, but his sense of humor balances it out.
 
Originally posted by: torpid
The sad thing is I agree with bell that kobe is an arrogant jerk at times, if not always. But many great players are. It's just their thing. MJ was a pretty big jerk too, thought not so publicly. In the locker room and at practice moreso.
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Bell's not going to get any sympathy with that one. Plenty dislike or resent kobe, but when Kobe's personality become's more of Bell's focus than his own team's needs, then he's kobe's biatch and kobe owns him. Great players never let anyone own them and channel what they use for motivation into results, rather than revenge (which becomes the best revenge).

The irony is that its Bell's own selfishness that's bringing him down, not Kobe's.
 
Originally posted by: Cruisin1
So seriously.... did raja not get hugged enough when he was a kid 😉
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Kobe is one to say, he tries to hug and do other things to girls he is not supposed to 😉
 
Originally posted by: morkman100
Originally posted by: GrantMeThePower
Did you guys see this? Bell is such a whiner and flopper: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/storage/images/rajaflop.gif

Bigger:

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/storage/images/rajaflopbig.gif
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Too funny... I mean, could there have been a more perfect camera angle to catch Bell reacting to the phantom elbow?
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He is reacting even at the start. He might have run into kobe's shoulder. Or he is just a lying flop master.
 
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