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Gambling online in Mass? Go to jail!

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alchemize

Lifer
Stolen from Slashdot...

http://www.boston.com/news/loc...arget_of_patrick_bill/

Thank heavens we have the democrats to protect us from our (non-state sanctioned) vices! Thank heavens there are a few true liberals out there calling him on it...

"I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so inconsistent on this issue."

I wonder what a review of his contributions would show?
 
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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And sending those end users who circumvent that ban to jail? For up to 2 years?
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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You should be asking why those casinos are offshore to begin with. Could it have anything to do with existing regulations against US online gambling? That business would be staying in the US right now if not for previous government meddling. Great idea, let's fix bad laws by passing more bad laws.

Your kind is disgusting, and at the root of many of our problems. To steal from another cliche: Two bad laws does not make a good law.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Stolen from Slashdot...

http://www.boston.com/news/loc...arget_of_patrick_bill/

Thank heavens we have the democrats to protect us from our (non-state sanctioned) vices! Thank heavens there are a few true liberals out there calling him on it...

"I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so inconsistent on this issue."

I wonder what a review of his contributions would show?
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It is an interesting question and problem. Do you torture somebody who knows where a ticking bomb is? Do you lock up a drunk just because he's drunk? Do you tax sins and who are you to define them?

Drugs alcohol, tobacco, and gambling are addictive behaviors that destroy the lives of people who cannot resist them. Is is arrogance to say that because you don't have the problem you have no business interfering where the problem exists? Are you your brother's keeper. Do you pull your child out of a cult and deprogram them?

Seems to me that arguing that people should be free to destroy themselves when it causes others terrible pain to watch them waste their lives is not too different than arguing that those who want to save them have just that very same right. If you want to destroy your life why can't I destroy your right to do so? Why should you get all the breaks?

If you shoot somebody you lose your right to freedom. If you've shot yourself why should it be any different?
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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How are they "cheated"?

You're just choosing to take your business elsewhere. Am cheating Walmart when I go to shop at KMart or online?

Why is it OK to a take cruise or flight to the Bahamas to gamble, but not do so online?

Personally, I don't gamble and understand that it can be a problem for some people. But this strikes me as some heavy handed nanny state BS infringing on peoples' rights to do what they want.

I suppose I don't really understand the government's interest or right to regulate gambling anyway. I imagine that there have been constitutional challenges to such laws, but I'm not familiar with them.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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You should be asking why those casinos are offshore to begin with. Could it have anything to do with existing regulations against US online gambling? That business would be staying in the US right now if not for previous government meddling. Great idea, let's fix bad laws by passing more bad laws.

Your kind is disgusting, and at the root of many of our problems. To steal from another cliche: Two bad laws does not make a good law.
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You make an excellent point - we are the KINGS of gambling in the US. The whole Texas Holdem rage started here, not in the UK, not in some obscure Caribbean country. We are also have the best technology innovators in the world. Can you imagine if Google was allowed to spin-off an online Casino???

Yet the paid off politicians protect the land based casinos and riverboats and lotteries, instead of encouraging innovation and competition. Think how much tax revenue was lost in the last 10 years before the idiots in Washington decided to put the banks in an armlock.

 
Punishment should always fit the crime and 2 years in jail for online gambling is overkill. Ich beugte zum Fuhrer!
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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I would be too if they made it legal to operate casinos in many states that do not allow it.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
"I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so inconsistent on this issue."
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I must be a fellow liberal, for I say if people want to be idiots with their wealth, let them. Laws against gambling are silly, more like nanny-state policy.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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How are they "cheated"?

You're just choosing to take your business elsewhere. Am cheating Walmart when I go to shop at KMart or online? Money stays in the US.

Why is it OK to a take cruise or flight to the Bahamas to gamble, but not do so online? very limited amount of gambling. and you bought your tickets through a US company.

Personally, I don't gamble and understand that it can be a problem for some people. But this strikes me as some heavy handed nanny state BS infringing on peoples' rights to do what they want. sorta like smoking pot?

I suppose I don't really understand the government's interest or right to regulate gambling anyway. I imagine that there have been constitutional challenges to such laws, but I'm not familiar with them. Still considered a sin activity. (not by me)

Fern
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Citrix
Im all for banning any online gaming.
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:thumbsup:
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Appears the HarveyBot malfunctioned on this thread. Concepts of personal liberty versus "the greater good" often throw this error. I call it the "socialist/fascist" virus.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Appears the HarveyBot malfunctioned on this thread. Concepts of personal liberty versus "the greater good" often throw this error. I call it the "socialist/fascist" virus.
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:lips: my (_|_)
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Citrix
Im all for banning any online gaming.
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:thumbsup:
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Appears the HarveyBot malfunctioned on this thread. Concepts of personal liberty versus "the greater good" often throw this error. I call it the "socialist/fascist" virus.
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I LOL'd at the mention of the HarveyBot. :laugh:

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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How are they "cheated"?

You're just choosing to take your business elsewhere. Am cheating Walmart when I go to shop at KMart or online? Money stays in the US.

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Fern
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Yeah, money stays in the US until Walmart or Kmart sends it over to China to pay for the products they sell. 😉

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?
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simple. that money used to gable online is sent offshore. American casinos, Workers, and taxes are cheated out of millions upon millions of wages and tax income. Im all for banning any online gaming.
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You're all for forcing your beliefs on others.

Let me tell you about Mass. From the State Government down to the City Governments they are the most instrusive corrupt taxing MFers I've ever encountered and I'm from CA. I love the people but I hate the govermental bullshit.


 
Originally posted by: techs
Any FOOL that does online, offshore gambling is just that, a fool.
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I used to make some pretty good money when I played poker online. Was pretty nice to earn an extra couple hundred dollars a week; and when I won tournaments, which paid out quite a bit more, I reported it on my taxes as well. If that somehow makes me a fool for making money, I guess I'm a fool.

Maybe they should legalize gambling in some other places so people wouldn't have to turn to offshore sites to gamble. I'm not talking about casinos on every street corner but a few more options besides Vegas, AC, some riverboats, and Indian reservations would be nice. Casinos increase revenue and create jobs in many areas.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Thank heavens there are a few true liberals out there calling him on it...

"I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so inconsistent on this issue."
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He cosponsored HR 1022 (Renewed Assault Weapons ban.)
He voted against reducing MA's handgun waiting period from 3 days to 1.
He voted against protecting gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.

"Personal liberty" my ass. He wants you to have exactly as much liberty as he allows. Gun grabbin' sum'bitch.
 
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